GT#69: Nets @ LA Clippers |3/23| 10:30pm | YES

[enetric]

Deron and JJ were 2-15 from 3, which kinda negated the surprise great shooting from Wallace, Watson, and Bogans. Also, while Lopez does deserve a lot of blame for his poor rebounding effort tonight, I think JJ's awful rebounding throughout the year has also gone under the radar. No 6'8" starter should have a 5% rebounding rate. He's a worse rebounder than D-Will this year!

You know, I can live with missed shots. What irks me? BAD SHOTS. I saw too many threes that SHOULDNT have been taken. We do that. "Heat checks" and ego shots looking to make statements rather than fundamental smart ball movement looking for the best shot. That to me is what irks me about our team. Talent isnt the issue so much as execution and effort. There is ZERO doubt in my mind that on paper this is the 2nd best squad in the EC. But that is worth squat when there are others out there who play at a higher level and have a greater sense of urgency.

[NyCeEvO]

This was not a top 3 loss. It was an important game for sure, but it was not top 3.

We lost a winnable game and our big 3 did not step up like we needed them to.

The Clippers are just as inconsistent as we are but they have a deeper, veteran team and can afford to have a few players not play well, yet still beat other teams.

IMO, what this loss does speak to is our lack of consistency.

Lopez goes ham one game and disappears in the next.
D-Will had spurts of good play but was overall subpar.
JJ is usual JJ. Disappears for 2.5 quarters and looks like he could've scored 3 points.

What I saw was the difference between being good on paper Vs. understanding how to step up. How to control intangibles and bring a level of intensity that says we wont lose this game. On paper our overall team should be better than theirs. But, Deron is NOT the floor general we pretend he is. We know Lopez needs a kick in the pants to be reminded that he is the biggest baddest dude on the floor most every night and not settle for what he gets rather than takes over and tries to dunk through someone's skull.

I am not impressed with the Clips as a team. Thy are a good roster. One very good player in Blake Griffin albeit..still raw in many ways and one superstar who makes it all happen in CP3. We have seen those nights that Deron can play at a high level. But a truly great player is great nightly regardless of his shot....especially a playmaker. Deron wasnt terrible tonight. But you could clearly see the difference in how each guy ran his squad.

Watch how Deron moves his players around in the half court. Go back and just watch the 4th quarter from the "other side". Dont look at it making yourself sick over our team's screw ups. Just watch what Paul was doing. And then watch how Deron responds. Very different mentality. Deron is good...Paul is superb.

I agree.

I think CP3 is just on another level of BBIQ than D-Will.

D-Will really needs to exert himself in order to have a big impact on the game.

Yes, he can do a good job of setting up players for scores, but CP3 just has this uncanny ability of really making what should be tough situations seem like basic arithmetic to him.

The play where CP3 turned it over/D-Will stole it, CP3 calmly chased him down, stripped the ball away from him near the basket, and nearly took the ball right back if it wasn't for Griffin kicking it out of bounds.

He always seems to be poised and has the game truly mastered in his mind.

In my eyes, the 4th quarter was more of a CP3 takeover than a Nets choke job. There are things that we could've done to put ourselves in a better position to the win the game, but CP3 is the type of guy that if you don't take advantage of mistakes, he'll punish you for it and that's exactly what he did.

[enetric]

This was not a top 3 loss. It was an important game for sure, but it was not top 3.

We lost a winnable game and our big 3 did not step up like we needed them to.

The Clippers are just as inconsistent as we are but they have a deeper, veteran team and can afford to have a few players not play well, yet still beat other teams.

IMO, what this loss does speak to is our lack of consistency.

Lopez goes ham one game and disappears in the next.
D-Will had spurts of good play but was overall subpar.
JJ is usual JJ. Disappears for 2.5 quarters and looks like he could've scored 3 points.

What I saw was the difference between being good on paper Vs. understanding how to step up. How to control intangibles and bring a level of intensity that says we wont lose this game. On paper our overall team should be better than theirs. But, Deron is NOT the floor general we pretend he is. We know Lopez needs a kick in the pants to be reminded that he is the biggest baddest dude on the floor most every night and not settle for what he gets rather than takes over and tries to dunk through someone's skull.

I am not impressed with the Clips as a team. Thy are a good roster. One very good player in Blake Griffin albeit..still raw in many ways and one superstar who makes it all happen in CP3. We have seen those nights that Deron can play at a high level. But a truly great player is great nightly regardless of his shot....especially a playmaker. Deron wasnt terrible tonight. But you could clearly see the difference in how each guy ran his squad.

Watch how Deron moves his players around in the half court. Go back and just watch the 4th quarter from the "other side". Dont look at it making yourself sick over our team's screw ups. Just watch what Paul was doing. And then watch how Deron responds. Very different mentality. Deron is good...Paul is superb.

I agree.

I think CP3 is just on another level of BBIQ than D-Will.

D-Will really needs to exert himself in order to have a big impact on the game.

Yes, he can do a good job of setting up players for scores, but CP3 just has this uncanny ability of really making what should be tough situations seem like basic arithmetic to him.

The play where CP3 turned it over/D-Will stole it, CP3 calmly chased him down, stripped the ball away from him near the basket, and nearly took the ball right back if it wasn't for Griffin kicking it out of bounds.

He always seems to be poised and has the game truly mastered in his mind.

In my eyes, the 4th quarter was more of a CP3 takeover than a Nets choke job. There are things that we could've done to put ourselves in a better position to the win the game, but CP3 is the type of guy that if you don't take advantage of mistakes, he'll punish you for it and that's exactly what he did.

Boom.


There were so many plays that you just saw poise like that. The way he positioned his team in the half court. Do you see WHERE he makes the pass? He sets up his guys in MUCH better spots to either score or get fouled. His timing to come around a defender and direct the flow towards the hoop to create something. Doesnt matter if he takes it someone else does. That's what Kidd did. Offensively of course he can also create off the dribble for himself which was Kidd's biggest weakness. Now, he isnt on the same court vision level in transition Kidd was. But overall...he is about as good as it gets.

And there isnt a diss to Deron if you admit that. Deron is damn good. He just isnt THIS good.

We lost. Moving on.

[Swingy]

Deron does need to work on his crunch-time game, though. It seems he doesn't know much to do besides taking difficult jumpers. That goes for JJ too, but that's always been his game. Deron could learn a lot from CP3 and less from Kobe in realizing to make the right play rather than go for the big play. CP3 in the clutch is so dangerous because he create for himself AND others with both being equivalent threats. CP3 weighs the options of what will be the most successful play for him to make and does it. Deron seems to only have one option in crunch-time. It's telling that Deron is our best perimeter option and usually has to defer to JJ taking his iso-Joe contested prayers. Not only does it make the Nets predictable at the end of games, but it's not utilizing our should-be best playmaker at the most crucial time. Deron should have and be able to carry a bigger role at the end of games.

[Paradise]

Of course Paul took over but again, It was going to happen in a close game regardless. That's exactly why going up 7 and letting the bench totally blow it before going to a starter was not intelligent at all. Lopez getting killed on the boards was the biggest issue.

If we limited to them to one shot in the 4th quarter, we would have one. Reggie expended enough energy on Griffin, Lopez has to help out by working harder to get rebounds. He comes off a good rebounding game against Dallas and follows it with a terrible one.

Nice to see Wallace productive for two straight games...Maybe he might make it three!

[enetric]

Deron does need to work on his crunch-time game, though. It seems he doesn't know much to do besides taking difficult jumpers. That goes for JJ too, but that's always been his game. Deron could learn a lot from CP3 and less from Kobe in realizing to make the right play rather than go for the big play. CP3 in the clutch is so dangerous because he create for himself AND others with both being equivalent threats. CP3 weighs the options of what will be the most successful play for him to make and does it. Deron seems to only have one option in crunch-time. It's telling that Deron is our best perimeter option and usually has to defer to JJ taking his iso-Joe contested prayers. Not only does it make the Nets predictable at the end of games, but it's not utilizing our should-be best playmaker at the most crucial time. Deron should have and be able to carry a bigger role at the end of games.

Exactly. And for me...that is the true mark of greatness. I value that more than the big shot guy. We glorify PPG way too much. Yes, its nice to know that your superstar can take and make the big shot. But for me...the guy who is making smart plays for 48 minutes beats all. That is what makes LBJ so spectacular. He does BOTH to an elite level.

[enetric]

Of course Paul took over but again, It was going to happen in a close game regardless. That's exactly why going up 7 and letting the bench totally blow it before going to a starter was not intelligent at all. Lopez getting killed on the boards was the biggest issue.

If we limited to them to one shot in the 4th quarter, we would have one. Reggie expended enough energy on Griffin, Lopez has to help out by working harder to get rebounds. He comes off a good rebounding game against Dallas and follows it with a terrible one.

Nice to see Wallace productive for two straight games...Maybe he might make it three!

Of all the rebounding mistakes...don't the second chance baskets make you want to kick your TV? Drives me nuts.

[therealbig3]

Deron just isn't the ball handler or decision-maker that CP3 is, and for that reason, he can't get to his spots on the floor as easily as CP3, he can't create separation as easily as CP3, and he's more prone to late-game TOs in crucial spots than CP3, as we saw tonight. And he can't control the flow of a game as easily as CP3.

That's the difference in terms of measurable, on the court ability. Then you consider the leadership and intangibles that CP3 provides, and it really is much better than Deron's abilities in that regard. Overall, CP3 is just on a different tier than D-Will. D-Will is an elite PG...CP3 is an all-time great PG.

I still love D-Will when he's at the top of his game and there's isn't any other PG outside of CP3 that I would take over him, and again, CP3's greatness doesn't diminish D-Will's, but CP3 at the top of his game IS the one other PG that can make him look pedestrian by comparison.

[Keith Van Horn]

Missed the game. Seems like it was a good game that we lost in the end due to bad shots and a few bad decisions. It was good for at least 3 1/2 quarters it seems. Couldn't get the bars to change the channel from march madness games.


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[NetsFanFromNJ]

MPG last night

Deron Williams - 38:19
Rashad Evans - 37:10
Gerald Wallace - 35:43
Joe Johnson - 34:02
Brook Lopez - 32:54
Keith Bogans 20:12

[NetsFanFromNJ]

Deron just isn't the ball handler or decision-maker that CP3 is, and for that reason, he can't get to his spots on the floor as easily as CP3, he can't create separation as easily as CP3, and he's more prone to late-game TOs in crucial spots than CP3, as we saw tonight. And he can't control the flow of a game as easily as CP3.

That's the difference in terms of measurable, on the court ability. Then you consider the leadership and intangibles that CP3 provides, and it really is much better than Deron's abilities in that regard. Overall, CP3 is just on a different tier than D-Will. D-Will is an elite PG...CP3 is an all-time great PG.

I still love D-Will when he's at the top of his game and there's isn't any other PG outside of CP3 that I would take over him, and again, CP3's greatness doesn't diminish D-Will's, but CP3 at the top of his game IS the one other PG that can make him look pedestrian by comparison.

CP3 also has better surroundings than D-Will. Paul has Butler and Billups/Crawford alongside him. With Griffin and Jordan down low it's even easier to run their offense. I still believe CP3 is better than D-Will.

[MrDollarBills]

Can't give up 30 pts in the 4th qtr while our best guys aren't hitting their normal shots and expect to win.

As some of you has said, you can live with this one as long as we handle business against the bad teams. I do NOT expect us to beat Denver.

No use in crying over spilled milk. The Nets blew their chances to get into the top 3 seedings wise with inexplicably bad efforts against Philly and Atlanta. Now that Anthony is back, the Knicks will not surrender their seeding to us. The Nets only have themselves to blame.

So if I'm not mistaken, being stuck in the 4th seed means if we don't get ripped by the 5th seed, we're going to get swept in a ridiculous fashion in the second rd by Miami. Sounds good to me, whatever gets the coaching staff and or the GM purged from this team is fine by me.

[624]

Why didn't we intentionally foul Deandre Jordan when he was in towards the end of the game?

[PetroNet]

Why didn't we intentionally foul Deandre Jordan when he was in towards the end of the game?

at 2:34 down by 2 it was the pefect opportunity.

[Keith Van Horn]

Why didn't we intentionally foul Deandre Jordan when he was in towards the end of the game?

[enetric]

Deron just isn't the ball handler or decision-maker that CP3 is, and for that reason, he can't get to his spots on the floor as easily as CP3, he can't create separation as easily as CP3, and he's more prone to late-game TOs in crucial spots than CP3, as we saw tonight. And he can't control the flow of a game as easily as CP3.

That's the difference in terms of measurable, on the court ability. Then you consider the leadership and intangibles that CP3 provides, and it really is much better than Deron's abilities in that regard. Overall, CP3 is just on a different tier than D-Will. D-Will is an elite PG...CP3 is an all-time great PG.

I still love D-Will when he's at the top of his game and there's isn't any other PG outside of CP3 that I would take over him, and again, CP3's greatness doesn't diminish D-Will's, but CP3 at the top of his game IS the one other PG that can make him look pedestrian by comparison.

CP3 also has better surroundings than D-Will. Paul has Butler and Billups/Crawford alongside him. With Griffin and Jordan down low it's even easier to run their offense. I still believe CP3 is better than D-Will.

The only guy on that list who is impressive is Griffin and still, he lacks polish. If Deron was the floor general he SHOULD be? Having an offensive center like Lopez and creator like JJ? We SHOULD be better. Defensively, that Clips group definitely give them the edge.

But if we are going to make this about suprting cast...Deron had the much better team in Utah over NO for Paul for most of their early years..Paul was still better.

I said it before....there is no shame in tipping your hat to someone better. Doesnt diminish the reality of Deron to say there is someone better. You know, when he got here...I was open minded to the idea that maybe those who jocked him as hard as they did saw something I didnt. But it hasnt worked out that way. Thrilled that since the break he is playing so much better. The weight loss and the ankle injections have done the trick. But I refuse to exaggerate how good he is.

Right now its not about ranking him. Its about having him take it to the next level as a floor general. We know you can score...now it time to light a fire under your team. And that isnt done with assist totals. Its done with swagger.

[NetsFanFromNJ]

Time to move on.... lets get the game thread started for tonight!

[Paradise]

Win or lose, after watching the replay I can't say how proud I was to be a fan last night. A year ago, the Nets would have let the Clippers dunk all over them and do whatever they wanted.

Watching Brook destroy block Griffin's dunk attempts multiple times and putting him on his ass was probably the proudest moment this season since the Boston brawl game.

Physical blue collar basketball.

[PetroNet]

Win or lose, after watching the replay I can't say how proud I was to be a fan last night. A year ago, the Nets would have let the Clippers dunk all over them and do whatever they wanted.

Watching Brook destroy block Griffin's dunk attempts multiple times and putting him on his ass was probably the proudest moment this season since the Boston brawl game.

Physical blue collar basketball.

i know what you are saying in general... but "last year" they didnt run and dunk all over us. we beat them 101-100 in our building and lost 101-94 in their buidling after falling behind by like 15 in the first quarter. i believe okur was starting for us at center too