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Post#301 » by IamBBAnalysis » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:52 pm

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Mike D is an idiot, we lost the game due to our defense. All he talks about is the offense but he fails to make any defensive adjustments. They pnr'd us to death with the weak side corner three. EVERY TIME the corner three on the weak side was wide open with no one even close enough to attempt to close out on it. Don't know if this team is just that stupid or Mike D just doesn't see it. Either one, we simply are not good enough to get stops when it counts and rely heavily on shooting at a good clip to win the game. I'm not even expecting good defense from theses guys anymore because this team has no good perimeter defenders, and that is important in today's league

Just look at the other elite teams, they can lock anybody down when the going gets tough


This... from what I saw, it all came down to our defense, Kobe started looking for his when he felt nothing else was working. The Lakers as a whole were just turning the ball over time after time, and honestly I felt Pau was a big part in letting that lead get away in the 2nd half, but he gets a pass due to it being his first game back. Kobe was turnover prone but he was facilitating a lot. I don't see why Mike D is taking shots at Kobe when it was clearly our defensive scheme's that clearly lost it for us.

On top of that, Kobe wasn't even in the game when they lost the lead in the 4th :roll:


He actually talked about defense as much or more then ball movement. He blamed both...which is true. So I'm not sure what you guys are talking about.
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Post#302 » by kblo247 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:52 pm

Nash Blake Meeks Pau - that was the 1, 2, 3, and 5 to start the fourth quarter. They lost the lead. They let Ariza get hot. They let the Gs score and nene find a rhythm. It's half on them but damn it Dantoni has to be smarter than to trot those 4 out at the same time

Nash - he was Walls bitch, had him grabbing his ankles, kissing the floor, grabbing his ribs :lol:
Blake - he can't challenge SGs with size, see Miller in the playoffs last year where he was destroyed :x
Meeks - he's a small 2, let alone 3, and he got his salad tossed by Anderson and Derozan :oops:
Pau - first game back and you expect him to anchor those 3, when you can play him with Metta/Clark/Kobe? :roll:

Do any of you know a team that wouldn't attack Nash Blake Meeks Pau at the same damn time? Hell most college teams would attack them
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Re: Game 70! Wiz vs Lakers 7:30 PM return of Pau and Kobe 

Post#303 » by GeneralNash » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:52 am

kblo247 wrote:Nash Blake Meeks Pau - that was the 1, 2, 3, and 5 to start the fourth quarter. They lost the lead. They let Ariza get hot. They let the Gs score and nene find a rhythm. It's half on them but damn it Dantoni has to be smarter than to trot those 4 out at the same time

Nash - he was Walls bitch, had him grabbing his ankles, kissing the floor, grabbing his ribs :lol:
Blake - he can't challenge SGs with size, see Miller in the playoffs last year where he was destroyed :x
Meeks - he's a small 2, let alone 3, and he got his salad tossed by Anderson and Derozan :oops:
Pau - first game back and you expect him to anchor those 3, when you can play him with Metta/Clark/Kobe? :roll:

Do any of you know a team that wouldn't attack Nash Blake Meeks Pau at the same damn time? Hell most college teams would attack them


As usual kobe goes blameless with you. You do realize kobe's man ariza went 9 for 15.....25 points and did the most damage. I won't say kobe is the sole reason but he is the biggest reason for a loss. Part of that is nash not taking some of the scoring load at the end of games.
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Re: Game 70! Wiz vs Lakers 7:30 PM return of Pau and Kobe 

Post#304 » by kblo247 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:53 am

I'm not excusing that Kobe was bad on D, the whole team was, but it wasnt just Kobe. That same corner 3 Ariza hit was open all game long. It wasnt just Trevor taking them. Temple took them. Webster took them. It was there all night, the kept overloading the floor and leaving the same spot open for 4 quarters.

That's coaching.

Nash, Kobe, Pau, Metta, Jamison, Clark, Meeks, Blake, and Dwight have fault but the biggest problem in that game was coaching

The guy started a fourth quarter with Nash, Blake, and Meeks at the 1, 2, and 3. Then he put in Pau to anchor their D. Pau, not Dwight. It was that group that lost the lead while Kobe was sat. What sense did it make to start the quarter with those 3 Gs and Pau? It makes sense with Dwight because it offers spacing and he can cover for every mistake that was inevitable for them all to make when they are outmatched at 1, 2, and 3.

The sub pattern and minute management was a coach, not a player problem. He played Pau 20mins but the way he did it was counterproductive. He didnt gpoat him all at once to start each half while he had his wind, he played him like a rotation player, like he would when he was coming off the bench. He basically didnt play Clark at all, as the guy went from 30 minutes to 8 minutes last night in a game where we needed swing defense and he was trotting out 3 Gs. Hell Kobe's first game back after a layoff and severe sprain, he plays 38minutes.

He just didnt, Dantoni just didn't coach well. Him excusing it isn't new. He made excuses in NY and OhX when they questioned his defense. He used Melo as an excuse for not winning, just because eh as too damn stupid to incorporate Melo post ups lie Woodson as it involved a non break neck pace. And it was his lineup and strategy that bit us yesterday. You don't leave the corner open all game, Kobe, Metta, Jamsion, Nash, Blake, all did for 4 quarters on the weak side if that isn't a gameplan. You also have no right to hard, being Dantoni, when you put out a group that had 0 chance at getting stops outside Metta at 4 and watch your choices get exploited and the lead dwindle to the point you insert Kobe to magically save you. And believe me if he hit those shots, good or not, the fact is Dantoni would've sucked him off with how great he is and the this is why he gets paid so much lines, much like he constantly did Melo long as things were good in NY.

It isn't an excuse Kobe or blame Nash thing ... Coaching was at fault. Going into the game he had no idea obviously how to rotate 9 guys. He's had no idea all year, and its been his cristism in NY and Phoenix that he always ran 8 into the ground and if one of the 8 went down, 7 were going to be used even harder. During the game, when you see everyone giving up the same shot from the same corner and the Wiz actually are hitting, make an adjustment, be that Wall going for 50 one on one vs Nash/Blake or where the help comes from. And most important don't complain about effort, D, rebounding, and ball kobe not when you put out a group of Nsh, Blake, Meeks, Metta, and Pau to start a 4th quarter because fact is no one on that group is getting stops sans Metta, and Metta and Nshs first response after a while when they are attacked is to fire back a crazy 3 like clockwork. Let alone don't be shocked if Kobe isn't going to come back Ina game where his team lost the lead with him sitting ,seeing guys bricking shots everywhere and not try to be captain save a ho when he's done it for 17 years, character flaw admittedly, but its what got him his rings and one us more games than Dantoni has mustache combs.
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Re: Game 70! Wiz vs Lakers 7:30 PM return of Pau and Kobe 

Post#305 » by GeneralNash » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:51 am

kblo247 wrote:I'm not excusing that Kobe was bad on D, the whole team was, but it wasnt just Kobe. That same corner 3 Ariza hit was open all game long. It wasnt just Trevor taking them. Temple took them. Webster took them. It was there all night, the kept overloading the floor and leaving the same spot open for 4 quarters.

That's coaching.

Nash, Kobe, Pau, Metta, Jamison, Clark, Meeks, Blake, and Dwight have fault but the biggest problem in that game was coaching

The guy started a fourth quarter with Nash, Blake, and Meeks at the 1, 2, and 3. Then he put in Pau to anchor their D. Pau, not Dwight. It was that group that lost the lead while Kobe was sat. What sense did it make to start the quarter with those 3 Gs and Pau? It makes sense with Dwight because it offers spacing and he can cover for every mistake that was inevitable for them all to make when they are outmatched at 1, 2, and 3.

The sub pattern and minute management was a coach, not a player problem. He played Pau 20mins but the way he did it was counterproductive. He didnt gpoat him all at once to start each half while he had his wind, he played him like a rotation player, like he would when he was coming off the bench. He basically didnt play Clark at all, as the guy went from 30 minutes to 8 minutes last night in a game where we needed swing defense and he was trotting out 3 Gs. Hell Kobe's first game back after a layoff and severe sprain, he plays 38minutes.

He just didnt, Dantoni just didn't coach well. Him excusing it isn't new. He made excuses in NY and OhX when they questioned his defense. He used Melo as an excuse for not winning, just because eh as too damn stupid to incorporate Melo post ups lie Woodson as it involved a non break neck pace. And it was his lineup and strategy that bit us yesterday. You don't leave the corner open all game, Kobe, Metta, Jamsion, Nash, Blake, all did for 4 quarters on the weak side if that isn't a gameplan. You also have no right to hard, being Dantoni, when you put out a group that had 0 chance at getting stops outside Metta at 4 and watch your choices get exploited and the lead dwindle to the point you insert Kobe to magically save you. And believe me if he hit those shots, good or not, the fact is Dantoni would've sucked him off with how great he is and the this is why he gets paid so much lines, much like he constantly did Melo long as things were good in NY.

It isn't an excuse Kobe or blame Nash thing ... Coaching was at fault. Going into the game he had no idea obviously how to rotate 9 guys. He's had no idea all year, and its been his cristism in NY and Phoenix that he always ran 8 into the ground and if one of the 8 went down, 7 were going to be used even harder. During the game, when you see everyone giving up the same shot from the same corner and the Wiz actually are hitting, make an adjustment, be that Wall going for 50 one on one vs Nash/Blake or where the help comes from. And most important don't complain about effort, D, rebounding, and ball kobe not when you put out a group of Nsh, Blake, Meeks, Metta, and Pau to start a 4th quarter because fact is no one on that group is getting stops sans Metta, and Metta and Nshs first response after a while when they are attacked is to fire back a crazy 3 like clockwork. Let alone don't be shocked if Kobe isn't going to come back Ina game where his team lost the lead with him sitting ,seeing guys bricking shots everywhere and not try to be captain save a ho when he's done it for 17 years, character flaw admittedly, but its what got him his rings and one us more games than Dantoni has mustache combs.


I agree it was not kobes fault...lots of people are at fault and kobe will get the blunt of the blame because he is responsibile for closing out games.
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Post#306 » by kblo247 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:14 am

Yeah I'm more worried about how we handle our rotations with Pau back as far as 9 men go, and how we adjust our D to accommodate Paus lack of foot speed with the starting unit which means Metta is back at SF on D.

One game doesn't really worry me as much as Dantoni does. Even if he miraculously closed the game I wouldn't be happy with the way that rotation worked, or how we left the weak side corner 3 open all game by design
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Post#307 » by KB24TBOTB » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:35 am

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kblo247 wrote:I'm not excusing that Kobe was bad on D, the whole team was, but it wasnt just Kobe. That same corner 3 Ariza hit was open all game long. It wasnt just Trevor taking them. Temple took them. Webster took them. It was there all night, the kept overloading the floor and leaving the same spot open for 4 quarters.

That's coaching.

Nash, Kobe, Pau, Metta, Jamison, Clark, Meeks, Blake, and Dwight have fault but the biggest problem in that game was coaching

The guy started a fourth quarter with Nash, Blake, and Meeks at the 1, 2, and 3. Then he put in Pau to anchor their D. Pau, not Dwight. It was that group that lost the lead while Kobe was sat. What sense did it make to start the quarter with those 3 Gs and Pau? It makes sense with Dwight because it offers spacing and he can cover for every mistake that was inevitable for them all to make when they are outmatched at 1, 2, and 3.

The sub pattern and minute management was a coach, not a player problem. He played Pau 20mins but the way he did it was counterproductive. He didnt gpoat him all at once to start each half while he had his wind, he played him like a rotation player, like he would when he was coming off the bench. He basically didnt play Clark at all, as the guy went from 30 minutes to 8 minutes last night in a game where we needed swing defense and he was trotting out 3 Gs. Hell Kobe's first game back after a layoff and severe sprain, he plays 38minutes.

He just didnt, Dantoni just didn't coach well. Him excusing it isn't new. He made excuses in NY and OhX when they questioned his defense. He used Melo as an excuse for not winning, just because eh as too damn stupid to incorporate Melo post ups lie Woodson as it involved a non break neck pace. And it was his lineup and strategy that bit us yesterday. You don't leave the corner open all game, Kobe, Metta, Jamsion, Nash, Blake, all did for 4 quarters on the weak side if that isn't a gameplan. You also have no right to hard, being Dantoni, when you put out a group that had 0 chance at getting stops outside Metta at 4 and watch your choices get exploited and the lead dwindle to the point you insert Kobe to magically save you. And believe me if he hit those shots, good or not, the fact is Dantoni would've sucked him off with how great he is and the this is why he gets paid so much lines, much like he constantly did Melo long as things were good in NY.

It isn't an excuse Kobe or blame Nash thing ... Coaching was at fault. Going into the game he had no idea obviously how to rotate 9 guys. He's had no idea all year, and its been his cristism in NY and Phoenix that he always ran 8 into the ground and if one of the 8 went down, 7 were going to be used even harder. During the game, when you see everyone giving up the same shot from the same corner and the Wiz actually are hitting, make an adjustment, be that Wall going for 50 one on one vs Nash/Blake or where the help comes from. And most important don't complain about effort, D, rebounding, and ball kobe not when you put out a group of Nsh, Blake, Meeks, Metta, and Pau to start a 4th quarter because fact is no one on that group is getting stops sans Metta, and Metta and Nshs first response after a while when they are attacked is to fire back a crazy 3 like clockwork. Let alone don't be shocked if Kobe isn't going to come back Ina game where his team lost the lead with him sitting ,seeing guys bricking shots everywhere and not try to be captain save a ho when he's done it for 17 years, character flaw admittedly, but its what got him his rings and one us more games than Dantoni has mustache combs.


I agree it was not kobes fault...lots of people are at fault and kobe will get the blunt of the blame because he is responsibile for closing out games.

Seriously, any idiot would have seen that the corner three was open all game. Wizards would pnr roll on a side and then then three guys would rotate to cover the roller...any idiot that has played basketball would know that is dumb defense. I was shocked and surprised as to why there were no adjustments made, and once it was made clear that we were not going to fix it, I knew we were going to lose. Our early lead was fools good, we hit our shots and they missed wide open jumpers. Once those jumpers started falling our team went (Please Use More Appropriate Word) mode because they have no clue how to play defense. A lot of this is on the coach and a lot of it is on just having stupid players.

I also did not understand why he plays 3 undersized guards all at once. He played them in the 2nd with pau as well and I remember posting about it. How can you expect Nash ( not really big enough to even guard 1's), Blake ( gets eaten alive by 2 guards), Meeks ( gets destroyed by 2's how the hell is he going to guard 3'd). Just stupid stupid coaching.

Then he goes and tosses all the blame on Kobe LOL. Kobe did go hero mode and made nothing, but some of you fail to realize that the game was lost way before that. It was a game when it should never have been if we were remotely a good team. 18 point lead at home, any good team would be able to put a team away. Instead what happened was, everyone got lazy, sloppy, and started turning the ball over and we all know how that turns out for us.

All in all, this team is pathetic from top to bottom
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Re: Game 70! Wiz vs Lakers 7:30 PM return of Pau and Kobe 

Post#308 » by timdunkit » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:09 pm

kblo247 wrote:I'm not excusing that Kobe was bad on D, the whole team was, but it wasnt just Kobe. That same corner 3 Ariza hit was open all game long. It wasnt just Trevor taking them. Temple took them. Webster took them. It was there all night, the kept overloading the floor and leaving the same spot open for 4 quarters.

That's coaching.

Nash, Kobe, Pau, Metta, Jamison, Clark, Meeks, Blake, and Dwight have fault but the biggest problem in that game was coaching

The guy started a fourth quarter with Nash, Blake, and Meeks at the 1, 2, and 3. Then he put in Pau to anchor their D. Pau, not Dwight. It was that group that lost the lead while Kobe was sat. What sense did it make to start the quarter with those 3 Gs and Pau? It makes sense with Dwight because it offers spacing and he can cover for every mistake that was inevitable for them all to make when they are outmatched at 1, 2, and 3.

The sub pattern and minute management was a coach, not a player problem. He played Pau 20mins but the way he did it was counterproductive. He didnt gpoat him all at once to start each half while he had his wind, he played him like a rotation player, like he would when he was coming off the bench. He basically didnt play Clark at all, as the guy went from 30 minutes to 8 minutes last night in a game where we needed swing defense and he was trotting out 3 Gs. Hell Kobe's first game back after a layoff and severe sprain, he plays 38minutes.

He just didnt, Dantoni just didn't coach well. Him excusing it isn't new. He made excuses in NY and OhX when they questioned his defense. He used Melo as an excuse for not winning, just because eh as too damn stupid to incorporate Melo post ups lie Woodson as it involved a non break neck pace. And it was his lineup and strategy that bit us yesterday. You don't leave the corner open all game, Kobe, Metta, Jamsion, Nash, Blake, all did for 4 quarters on the weak side if that isn't a gameplan. You also have no right to hard, being Dantoni, when you put out a group that had 0 chance at getting stops outside Metta at 4 and watch your choices get exploited and the lead dwindle to the point you insert Kobe to magically save you. And believe me if he hit those shots, good or not, the fact is Dantoni would've sucked him off with how great he is and the this is why he gets paid so much lines, much like he constantly did Melo long as things were good in NY.

It isn't an excuse Kobe or blame Nash thing ... Coaching was at fault. Going into the game he had no idea obviously how to rotate 9 guys. He's had no idea all year, and its been his cristism in NY and Phoenix that he always ran 8 into the ground and if one of the 8 went down, 7 were going to be used even harder. During the game, when you see everyone giving up the same shot from the same corner and the Wiz actually are hitting, make an adjustment, be that Wall going for 50 one on one vs Nash/Blake or where the help comes from. And most important don't complain about effort, D, rebounding, and ball kobe not when you put out a group of Nsh, Blake, Meeks, Metta, and Pau to start a 4th quarter because fact is no one on that group is getting stops sans Metta, and Metta and Nshs first response after a while when they are attacked is to fire back a crazy 3 like clockwork. Let alone don't be shocked if Kobe isn't going to come back Ina game where his team lost the lead with him sitting ,seeing guys bricking shots everywhere and not try to be captain save a ho when he's done it for 17 years, character flaw admittedly, but its what got him his rings and one us more games than Dantoni has mustache combs.


I had the same concerns. You have to play Clark/Metta/Kobe with Gasol (Blake at the PG) as a bench unit. Let the offense run through Kobe/Gasol. Maybe Meeks can come in for Metta if the matchups allow it. You can play Nash/Jamison/Meeks wiith Dwight because of his defensive ability and go with the traditional high PnR stretch 4 offense that D'antoni is used to (I guess you can put Metta or Clark with that unit as well).

Even though we lost the lead, you have to give Kobe blame for failing to close out. He simply didn't get to the rim and settle too much down the stretch. Yes he's coming back from injury but his defense on Ariza was terrible consistently leaving him open. I thought he was slow using Dwight screens in the PnR game and then when he did turn the corner, he wasn't being patient and letting Dwight get remotely close to the rim for an offensive rebound or a mismatch.
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Post#309 » by GeneralNash » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:56 am

What is surprising is the Lakers had a good rest before that game. Maybe too much rest is a bad thing.
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Post#310 » by JerMike2 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:55 am

I guess so GN. But I saw a ton of bright spots in this game. We're still a team to be reckoned with.
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Post#311 » by timdunkit » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:11 pm

GeneralNash wrote:What is surprising is the Lakers had a good rest before that game. Maybe too much rest is a bad thing.


They built an 18 point lead and then lost focus. This has been a season trend.
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Post#312 » by JohnVancouver » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:42 pm

I find myself agreeing with most all of you and really, not place to start picking apart what sucked. moments, yes, early on we were passing and looking for the open man but moments don;t win chips. Those moments have to become business as usual for us.

Crap way to get back form a week away on the beach and finally get to see a game, and its this one. I fact, I picked a pretty good three games to be away for.


Singling out one thing though, I cringe when i see Metta get that "Metta have Ball. Metta makes score" look in his eyes and just barrel down the lane.
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Post#313 » by AcecardZ » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:52 pm

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Singling out one thing though, I cringe when i see Metta get that "Metta have Ball. Metta makes score" look in his eyes and just barrel down the lane.


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Post#314 » by stunnar0b » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:53 pm

On mettas defense he was only trying to take the initiative and make a play so it wasn't just the Kobe show. wasn't that the knock on them last year that everybody would stand around and let Kobe run the show. So its not all mettas fault and I could pretty much guarantee that if The ball was moving and players were more involved, peace probably doesn't make that particular play and turn the ball over.
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Post#315 » by AcecardZ » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:59 pm

We should start Nash, Dwight, Kobe, Antawn and Clark at sf.

Then bring in Blake, Metta, Pau and Meeks to play with any combo of Kobe, Nash or Dwight depending on who the opposing team has out there.
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Post#316 » by KB24TBOTB » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:27 pm

stunnar0b wrote:On mettas defense he was only trying to take the initiative and make a play so it wasn't just the Kobe show. wasn't that the knock on them last year that everybody would stand around and let Kobe run the show. So its not all mettas fault and I could pretty much guarantee that if The ball was moving and players were more involved, peace probably doesn't make that particular play and turn the ball over.

People want players to move off the ball when they say not just stand around. No one and I repeat NO ONE wants to see that out of control bull go down the lane. Nothing ever good comes out of it because he is so slow that teams can see him coming a mile away. Players should know their role, that's like justifying Dwight taking a three point attempt because he was trying "to make something happen", I'm sorry but there is no justifying that.
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Post#317 » by stunnar0b » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:46 pm

Your right I just want you to see it through mettas eyes. and him driving the lane is not the same thing as Dwight shooting a three
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Post#318 » by KB24TBOTB » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:51 pm

stunnar0b wrote:Your right I just want you to see it through mettas eyes. and him driving the lane is not the same thing as Dwight shooting a three

My point was that rarely anything good will come out of that, he has to be the least athletic sf in the league
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Post#319 » by Imadogg » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:24 pm

I'd love to see Dwight take a 3 just to prove a point that Kobe shouldn't be going hero ball the entire 4th
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Re: Game 70! Wiz vs Lakers 7:30 PM return of Pau and Kobe 

Post#320 » by mcscotty » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:42 am

This team is top heavy. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. Kobe and Pau off the bench would improve things dramatically.

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