Who stays and who goes

[Sunsdeuce]

PJ Tucker needs to go!
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... -PJ-Tucker
Look at his per 48. I know alot of you love this guy. But he is really not that good.

[phrazbit]

PJ Tucker needs to go!
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... -PJ-Tucker
Look at his per 48. I know alot of you love this guy. But he is really not that good.

Great way to analyze a defensive specialist... by his offensive per 48s and shot chart...

[phrazbit]

Typical dumbass fan who twists anything to his/her own biased viewpoint. The anonymous "toxic" was already denied by several suns reporters and those closely associated with the team. But I'm guessing you anything people say on twitter, probably were one of the few suns fans sweating at the deadline thinking we were actually trading for Josh Smith.

Five or so players left Minnesota last season, and love put out a general statement about "bad blood". Of the players that left Love only had known issues with one of them, Darko. But I guess its more plausible that he was aiming that statement at one of his good friends. I work in Minnesota and closely followed the wolves as well, Love and Beasley had a good relationship for those two years, and the guy was always playing around with Beasleys kids at team charity events.

"Crap attitudes" I think its obvious that the whole team has given up, and they randomly decide to show up here and there. The only players that have displayed "crap attitudes" have been JO and Marcus, the only two players that have fought or hard words with the coaches. JO I don't mind, because hes been one of the few bright spots in a horrific season.

anyways: who goes?

Dudley: Great guy and player, but hes one of the few suns players with good trade value, we should explore options
Scola: Another good player, but hes old and he still has good trade value
Marcus: we already have the better brother, although that doesn't say much
Diante: I wanted him to get some playing time earlier in the season, but hes looked horrific recently
Shannon: already buried on the bench, no point keeping him

Yes, I really twisted that toxic source... and all the Suns reporters denied it.. oh... wait Paul Coro went so far as to say that you dont even need a source to tell you Beasley is toxic, because its been evident to anyone who has watched him.

Like I said, people might like Michael Beasley the person, but its evident to anyone who has watched this team that they dont like Beasley the player.

And good call to only to try and defend the attitude questions... because there is no defense for the hideous product that Michael Beasley is on the court.

[snowthedirtbub]

As a PF
09: 13.9 ON 47.2% 16.66 PER 5.4 REB
10: 14.8 on 45% 15.66 PER 6.4 REB
11: 19.2 on 45% 15.81 PER 5.6 REB

SF
12: 11.5 on 44.5% 13.12 PER 4.4 REB
13: 9.9 on 39.3% 10.23 PER 3.8 REB

If we were competing for a championship or even a playoff spot I would agree with you. But were not and Michael Beasley clearly played better as a PF. Yea his defense sucks but why not give him an off season/season with Lindsay Hunter to fix his defense and attitude? By all accounts from teammates/former coaches Beasley has never been a locker room cancer either, I don't really see a reason not to do it. If he starts to figure it out you get a good young player, if he starts "impede the development of everyone around him," take him out of the game.

If we do as you suggest and bury him at the end of the bench you only get one possible result.
Oh and hoping your team loses is still hoping your team loses, I don't think it really matters when you start hoping it. No matter what its a sin.

Good call not showing his PF stats (which account for 25% of his PT) this year where he is rocking an 11 PER. Beasley is an awful player no matter where you put him, and he is a grossly incompetent defensive player and rebounder, which gets exploited far worse at the PF position.

And really... to you Beasley was a 100% PF in 2011? So... what position was Kevin Love playing? And dont say center because they had Darko and Pek playing a combined 39 minutes per game.

When Beasley left Minnesota Kevin Love said "bad blood" had been purged from the team, here a someone labeled him as "toxic". Players might like Beasley, the laid back goofball as a person, but its obvious to anyone watching the team that his teammates get really frustrated with his idiocy on the court.

And I am not suggesting to stick him on the end of the bench, I am saying if they have any interest in being competitive then they should not let him in the arena. I literally meant at HOME. They pay him to stay away, plenty of teams have done it with crap players with crap attitudes.

So your going to conveniently overlook the 3 seasons with him as a pf with him putting up points on good efficiency with slightly above average per for a season with a new team with 2 different HC's with 2 different systems with no consistency in rotations AND only 25% of his mintues are at the 4?

Yea thats exactly what I said, Beasley ONLY played PF in 2011, because as we all know you can only play one position per season, thanks for clarifying that for me. (In case you couldn't pick up on that it was sarcasm. Beasley played the majority of his minutes as a pf.)

Please provide links/videos/quotes/ANYTHING that has former players/coaches/teammates/ballboys saying Beasley is a bad teammate or person.

[DRK]

[bigfoot]

PJ Tucker needs to go!
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... -PJ-Tucker
Look at his per 48. I know alot of you love this guy. But he is really not that good.

PJ Tucker passes the eye test. Everyone but you would recognize the value he brings as a defensive player and offensive rebounding. Absolutely insane comment considering Tucker is on a cheap contract next year. SMH

[phrazbit]

So your going to conveniently overlook the 3 seasons with him as a pf with him putting up points on good efficiency with slightly above average per for a season with a new team with 2 different HC's with 2 different systems with no consistency in rotations AND only 25% of his mintues are at the 4?

Yea thats exactly what I said, Beasley ONLY played PF in 2011, because as we all know you can only play one position per season, thanks for clarifying that for me. (In case you couldn't pick up on that it was sarcasm. Beasley played the majority of his minutes as a pf.)

Please provide links/videos/quotes/ANYTHING that has former players/coaches/teammates/ballboys saying Beasley is a bad teammate or person.

I never said Beasley was a bad person, I even said teammates probably like Beasley the person, but get dont enjoy Beasley the player, and if you dont think players have been frustrated with him all year long then... whatever, keep your head in the mud. I am not going to provide evidence for something that is as obvious as the sun rising. Paul Coro and other closely following the Suns regarded the Beasley "toxic" line as non-sensational news not because it was not true... but because it was obvious to anyone who has watched Beasley play in the NBA. I am sure when Hunter compared Beasley to a crying child he was trying to show how easy Beasley is to work with

I'm not over looking anything. Beasley's career is that of a player who gives you a net negative return. He is an inefficient offensive player with terrible shot selection who does not get to the line, who does not pass and has horrible turnover ratios... on top of all that he is among the worst defensive players in the league.

And Beasley played the majority of his minutes in 2011 as a small forward, and that is not sarcasm, its a fact.

I dont even care about his attitude, if he didnt suck then I wouldnt care what people labeled him. To have to provide evidence at this point that Beasley is anything but a freaking horrible player is astounding.

[rsavaj]

As for getting rid of Beasley...

If they cant find a team stupid enough to take him off our hands for an expiring or a 2nd rounder (Bobcats, I'm looking at you) then they should just pay him to stay at home next year. He makes everyone around him worse, he absolutely destroys any ability for a team to learn a defensive system or get decent ball rotation on offense. I dont want some high potential rookie next year to have his career soiled by Sleazley's presence. Pay him 6 mil to sit on his couch, eat his junk food and get high, then use the buyout in his contract after the year.

I wouldn't give up a pick to get rid of him when we can simply stretch him.

[Frank Lee]

why do anything with Measley ? He does not prevent us from doing anything other than signing a max deal FA this yr.... which may be a good thing. Relax on him. He will be the designated chucker off the bench. No need to stretch out his deal when we can put him on the pine pony to ride... then buy him out in 2014 to make room for others. Who knows... may be he improves with a full training camp/off season. I think his diminished role should be somewhat of a wake up call.

I really don't care, but as mentioned, no way give up anything just to get rid of him.


Measley has just become another whipping boy example for the front office haters. And no doubt, he was a whiff. Is Wes Johnson the next one ?

[rsavaj]

why do anything with Measley ? He does not prevent us from doing anything other than signing a max deal FA this yr.... which may be a good thing. Relax on him. He will be the designated chucker off the bench. No need to stretch out his deal when we can put him on the pine pony to ride... then buy him out in 2014 to make room for others. Who knows... may be he improves with a full training camp/off season. I think his diminished role should be somewhat of a wake up call.

I really don't care, but as mentioned, no way give up anything just to get rid of him.


Measley has just become another whipping boy example for the front office haters. And no doubt, he was a whiff. Is Wes Johnson the next one ?

Depends on if Wes improves at all. He's still shooting 40% as a starter(28% from 3).

I would rather have a rookie take his time(if we draft a wing).

[RunDogGun]

why do anything with Measley ? He does not prevent us from doing anything other than signing a max deal FA this yr.... which may be a good thing. Relax on him. He will be the designated chucker off the bench. No need to stretch out his deal when we can put him on the pine pony to ride... then buy him out in 2014 to make room for others. Who knows... may be he improves with a full training camp/off season. I think his diminished role should be somewhat of a wake up call.

I really don't care, but as mentioned, no way give up anything just to get rid of him.


Measley has just become another whipping boy example for the front office haters. And no doubt, he was a whiff. Is Wes Johnson the next one ?

Depends on if Wes improves at all. He's still shooting 40% as a starter(28% from 3).

I would rather have a rookie take his time(if we draft a wing).

He is taking a ton of long twos if not threes. However, since he isn't the best dribbler, I guess it's better to have a shot instead of a turnover. I would love to see him work on his shot this summer, along with his much needed ball handling skills. But if we get a wing in the draft, I don't see why both can't get a good amount of playing time.

[phrazbit]

I wouldn't give up a pick to get rid of him when we can simply stretch him.

I was saying hopefully there is a team stupid enough to give us a 2nd round pick or an expiring for him, not that we should give picks away. If they cant find a trade suitor (which I doubt is possible) then they should pay him to stay away.

If Blanks is fired then I think there is a decent chance one of those two options happens, if Blanks is stupidly retained then Beasley will still be here with a brand new load of BS hype about how he is turning over a new leaf... and then he will take his annual season long turd.

[No-Man]

Stays

Dragic
Marshall
Tucker
Dudley
Morris
Beasley
Morris
Frye

Nobody is going to trade for Frye or Beasley.

Goes

Johnson
Brown (cut)
Scola
Gortat

Scola for a 2nd round, try to find a trade for Gortat like... pick10-15+expiring or unguaranteed contract (Dallas, Portland, Philadelphia and Minnesota would've interest).

[No-Man]

And if Gortat doesnt go it'll look like this for me...

Dragic-Marshall
McLemore-Tucker-Releford
Dudley-Morris
Beasley-Morris
Gortat-Frye-Withey

Scola for a future 2nd (2014), Johnson walks, Brown cut.

Releford in the 2nd round, Withey with Miami's pick, McLemore with our pick, all Kansas, but because they're good fits.

Hopefully, Beasley get cut next year, we get something for Gortat, Frye obviously walks, and we draft the BPO, probably Parker/Wiggins.

[Fo-Real]

Stays

Dragic
Marshall
Tucker
Dudley
Morris
Beasley
Morris
Frye

Nobody is going to trade for Frye or Beasley.

Goes

Johnson
Brown (cut)
Scola
Gortat

Scola for a 2nd round, try to find a trade for Gortat like... pick10-15+expiring or unguaranteed contract (Dallas, Portland, Philadelphia and Minnesota would've interest).

Dude... I dont think people realize how truly worthless Kief Morris is!! Our starting pf. would be buried on most other teams bench, not even second string. So tired of him hovering around the damn 3 point line!! Even Channing coming back would put him to shame!!! We need a pf. who acts like a friggin Pf!!!

[Fo-Real]

As far as im concrened.... Dragic, Marshall, Tucker (only cause of his attitude), are keepers, everyone else goes if the price is right. I like the fact that Wes is gaining confidence, but his attitude is weak mindedness!!! You are 6"7 can probably almost touch your ass on the rim when you jump, and wont attack the damn basket even when the lane is empty!!! We need guys who are going to dive to the basket at all times. Inside out right?? Getting to the rim makes other players sag off to help thus opeaning up the outside, well we have players in Wes, Beasly, BOTH the MORRIS BROTHERS!!! who arent even looking to get to the basket, want no part of it. If I see one more jackass take a long two with his foot on the line I am going to kick my tv off the damn table!!! If i see one more of the athletic 6"7 to 6"10 guys step out of bounds with the ball because they are hovering so damn far outside with the ball I am going to explode. We need people with the mentality of getting to the basket first and foremost and shooting second, putting pressure on the defense. On those curles Wes runs at the freethrow line, he should be coming off of them hard going toward the rim looking to get to the rack, not floating left right or back with that soft ass jumper... same for Beasly, Morris X 2. The only person on the team who should have permission to stay at or around the freethrow line is Scola because he shoots it at a high %.

[Sunsdeuce]

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Agree 100 percent.
You said it perfectly.


And just want to add;
Tucker should stay because he is cheap but he should never start. Great bench guy.

[Frank Lee]

And Pop goes the Iggy

As mentioned a couple of months ago.... I would think we will make a play for Iguodala... Whether or not we can swoon him with enough hay is questionable. (we certainly have the rest of the stuff usually filling the stables )

I'd be for it.

Who's with me here?

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