Mundo wrote:Doormatt wrote:bigbreakfast wrote:
I have never heard of SATs testing foreign languages, history, chemistry or physics in my days as a student and as a SAT tutor. However, I have not tutored SATs in a several years.
The SAT tests both intelligence and knowledge, probably more intelligence (esp the math section). I think there's very good correlation with good SAT scores and intelligence, though the 2 can exist independently of each other.
no it does not test intelligence. it tests for scholastic aptitude, which is not equal to intelligence. while there is correlation, its wrong to say that thats what it tests or represent.
This. The SAT tests the quality of educational resources that you have had at your disposal. The quality of school, parents, teachers, books, and etc. that have helped you learn math.
To say that any section, like math, is an accurate measure of intelligence is a joke. Additionally, how well you do at math can be easily predicted by looking at the effort an individual has put into studying the subject. But of course, this is also dependent on the quality of resources. You can't practice math if your teachers do not teach a new subject. You will not practice math if your parents aren't home, and you have to take care of yourself.
But of course under bigbreakfast's ideology Asians and Whites fair better on the exam because they are innately more intelligent. Minorities just can't learn as well. Of course this is complete and utter bull. Most everyone has the same level of being able to learn, but again resources and the secondary level of desire is what makes someone good at math. Lebron never had the opportunity to attain a high level of math due to the lack of resources he had growing up. Single mother, living in the hood, and etc. But hey this is realgm, lets try to tear the man down because he was a poor kid. Kobe on the other hand, had more resources, but probably had no desire to become great at math. Kobe chose to practice basketball instead. I swear we are living in 2013, and people are acting like it is 1910, with regards to how they understand intelligence and education.
Chill the F out with your race baitin. I never said anything like that. I never even mentioned race or socioeconomic factors. And if you read my reply (included below for you), I clearly state the SAT score is not an IQ score, nor was the test designed to
directly test intelligence.
bigbreakfast wrote:if you're trying to say your SAT score is not a representation of your IQ, I agree. and I agree the SAT is not an IQ test, I probably shouldve been clearer. However, what contributes to scholastic aptitude? I would argue a significant part of it is IQ, among other factors.
And please, SAT success depends on understanding of high level math? SAT math tests concepts as "complex" as basic algebra, stuff students in the US learn by the first year of middle school. If a high school student is not proficient at basic algebra, than it is a failure of the school system and not the SAT.
I agree absolutely the SATs "test" the quality of the educational resources a student has at his or her disposal.....
along with that student's innate ability. And you're absolutely right the test is not perfect and a disproportionate amount of minority students get screwed. I believe that's a reflection of the failure of our primary and secondary education systems in the US.
With that said, you're right it is 2013 and I thought I could just contribute to the discourse of a topic I happen to be interested in without getting labelled a racist. It's even sadder that my original comment made no connection to race at all yet you somehow interpreted racial connotations from it.
Anyhow, since this thread will now turn to a **** flinging contest and since Ive got minority students I need to disparage (
), I'm out...
