Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[WizardsWorld]

I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

The ONLY player in the whole league I would trade Wall for is Kevin Durant. ONLY him.... NOBODY else. The notion of trading Wall so we can go after "burke".... well.... I'm gonna act like I didn't just hear that from a fellow Wiz fan.

[jivelikenice]

Man, I remember posting just under 2 months ago that the Wizards should sell high on their 1st round pick because it was going to lose value quickly as Wall and Nene came back. At that point, we were just starting to win some games but I don't think NBA GM's would take us seriously at all (thus giving our pick some serious bang for the buck).

Really wishing we followed through with that...

And did what ?

Miller31- Its easy to say that but look who was actually dealt or rumored to be dealt. Would you have traded the first for Rudy Gay? Josh Smith? Its easy to say we should have traded the pick whe ntghe value was high, but who was actually being marketed and would you have been willing to give up a high lotto pick at that time for Gay or Smith?

[Illuminaire]

The only player I could see us going for that might work for both teams is Kevin Love. Maybe something like our 2013+2015 1sts, Nene, and we take back a bad contract for Kevin.

Minnesota would probably have won more games (thus saving Khan's job), and our pick would have been more valuable without Nene (since Love is hurt), but they still probably wouldn't do it. So eh.

[fishercob]

The only player I could see us going for that might work for both teams is Kevin Love. Maybe something like our 2013+2015 1sts, Nene, and we take back a bad contract for Kevin.

Minnesota would probably have won more games (thus saving Khan's job), and our pick would have been more valuable without Nene (since Love is hurt), but they still probably wouldn't do it. So eh.

The only way Minnesota trades Love is if he demands it and/or promises to opt out of his contract after 14/15. I can't see them doing anything this summer -- they'll try to add talent via the draft, retain Pekovic or use the space/S&T for something good, etc. If they do that and can maintain some health they could be good next year and appease Love.

If they don't do well maneuvering this summer, they could be in trouble. I'd give up pretty much anything outside of Wall and Beal for him, as he's just 24.

Minnesota has to be careful they don't end up in a Dwightmare/Melodrama. They may be better served getting out in front of this like Utah did with Deron Williams and cashing Love in for as much cheap young talent as possible.

[hands11]

The only player I could see us going for that might work for both teams is Kevin Love. Maybe something like our 2013+2015 1sts, Nene, and we take back a bad contract for Kevin.

Minnesota would probably have won more games (thus saving Khan's job), and our pick would have been more valuable without Nene (since Love is hurt), but they still probably wouldn't do it. So eh.

That logic would negate the point that the pick was going to lose value with the team getting better which was his original point.

[gambitx777]

I'm not hating on Wall, and I'm not saying we need to trade him. But, I don't think that trading him now is a bad idea. This team has a lot of needs. If we could trade him for a young franchise big, maybe another young player, and picks, I would consider it. Use our pick on Burke, I think Burke is going to be a great NBA point guard.

With that being said, I have no problem with keeping wall and giving him his money. I do feel that we need to ditch NENE if at all possible. Maybe get a shorter contract, a young bench guy and/or a late round pick for him. Something like that.

[Ruzious]

If Atlanta offered Horford and Teague for Wall and Okafor, I'd have to think about it.

[payitforward]

I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

The ONLY player in the whole league I would trade Wall for is Kevin Durant. ONLY him.... NOBODY else. The notion of trading Wall so we can go after "burke".... well.... I'm gonna act like I didn't just hear that from a fellow Wiz fan.

This is authentically funny. Really. I can think of at least 20 players whose GMs would never trade them for John Wall. After I was done w/ that I'm pretty sure I could think of another 20.

Not to gainsay the fact that despite last night's game John has had a really great month. I certainly have higher hopes for him today than I did six weeks ago.

[payitforward]

If Atlanta offered Horford and Teague for Wall and Okafor, I'd have to think about it.

...On the other hand, I wouldn't be interested in this trade at all. I'm interested in changing this team in ways that continue to make it younger. Horford's a good player, but he's signed for too many years at too much money -- for my taste, that is. YMMV. And Teague isn't anything special.

[sfam]

I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

This comment was pretty silly a month ago, even though over half the board seemed to share it. Its incredibly silly now. Wall clearly has the potential to be an all star, and seems to be actually reaching it now. Burke may be nothing more than a marginal role player. He may be better, who knows. But it makes no sense to take that kind of risk.

[Ruzious]

If Atlanta offered Horford and Teague for Wall and Okafor, I'd have to think about it.

...On the other hand, I wouldn't be interested in this trade at all. I'm interested in changing this team in ways that continue to make it younger. Horford's a good player, but he's signed for too many years at too much money -- for my taste, that is. YMMV. And Teague isn't anything special.

At least you're not telling me that at 26 years old - he's nearly 30. I'm not sure you understand that you actually have to pay high salaries to the better players in the NBA once their rookie deals are up. Horford at 12 mil per year for 3 more years has a good contract to acquire. Wall's likely going to end up getting more than that per year for more years. And Teague may not be special, but he's a very good young PG.

Basically, you're saying there are 40 players you can think of that teams wouldn't trade for Wall, and Horford doesn't meet your criteria for the 40. I'm not going to ask you to list the 40, but I find your claim hard to believe.

[stevemcqueen1]

If Atlanta offered Horford and Teague for Wall and Okafor, I'd have to think about it.

I would hang up the phone. Teague and Horford are good player but neither or/will be superstars. Wall is a potential superstar. Never trade paper for coins. The only players we could trade Wall for are other superstars or potential superstars.

[Illuminaire]

The only player I could see us going for that might work for both teams is Kevin Love. Maybe something like our 2013+2015 1sts, Nene, and we take back a bad contract for Kevin.

Minnesota would probably have won more games (thus saving Khan's job), and our pick would have been more valuable without Nene (since Love is hurt), but they still probably wouldn't do it. So eh.

That logic would negate the point that the pick was going to lose value with the team getting better which was his original point.

No. The logic is that a pick in the 10-12 range is not enough incentive to get a player like Love, but a 1-5 pick might be. Losing Nene would ensure our pick's value (since Love is hurt), thus possibly providing what was needed to make the trade work in this hypothetical hindsight analysis.

I know it's convoluted, lol, but it makes sense.

[TGW]

Yea I wouldn't entertain that trade either. Wall can singlehandedly win games on his own...I don't think Horford can. Teague is a middle-of-the-pack point guard. Both are very good players, but there's no superstar potential there.

I feel as though Wall has a high ceiling than those guys, and in this league it's about quality over quantity, or in this case, the potential for quality.

[Ruzious]

Yea I wouldn't entertain that trade either. Wall can singlehandedly win games on his own...I don't think Horford can. Teague is a middle-of-the-pack point guard. Both are very good players, but there's no superstar potential there.

I feel as though Wall has a high ceiling than those guys, and in this league it's about quality over quantity, or in this case, the potential for quality.

I'm not sure I'd make the trade either, but nobody - with the possible exception of Lebron and an occasional outlyer like the one when Wall scored 47 - wins games singlehandedly.

Horford and a healthy Nene could give the Wiz the best bigmen combo in the NBA - to go with a solid backcourt of Teague and Beal - and a good combo at the 3 of Webster and Ariza - plus a lotto pick in the 2013 draft. It'd be worth considering.

[gambitx777]

Yeah i would not do that hawks trade either. If they was to take NENE in the off season however, i would do that for a first and/or Jenkins something like that since they have enough cap room to take his money. Us draft picks or cap room t find a suitable replacement.

But for wall, i would look for something like. wall for kanter, hayward and a first. Make some good draft pick and some nice signingsthis year and you have a nice young deep team.

[TGW]

Yea I wouldn't entertain that trade either. Wall can singlehandedly win games on his own...I don't think Horford can. Teague is a middle-of-the-pack point guard. Both are very good players, but there's no superstar potential there.

I feel as though Wall has a high ceiling than those guys, and in this league it's about quality over quantity, or in this case, the potential for quality.

I'm not sure I'd make the trade either, but nobody - with the possible exception of Lebron and an occasional outlyer like the one when Wall scored 47 - wins games singlehandedly.

Horford and a healthy Nene could give the Wiz the best bigmen combo in the NBA - to go with a solid backcourt of Teague and Beal - and a good combo at the 3 of Webster and Ariza - plus a lotto pick in the 2013 draft. It'd be worth considering.

I think Durant, Lebron, Kobe, and maybe Carmelo on a good day can win games singlehandedly. Those players are out there. I think Wall has the "potential" to be one of those type of players. I don't feel the same about Horford or Teague. That's not an attack on them--they are really good. They just aren't the superstars you need to win the big one.

[stevemcqueen1]

Yea I wouldn't entertain that trade either. Wall can singlehandedly win games on his own...I don't think Horford can. Teague is a middle-of-the-pack point guard. Both are very good players, but there's no superstar potential there.

I feel as though Wall has a high ceiling than those guys, and in this league it's about quality over quantity, or in this case, the potential for quality.

I'm not sure I'd make the trade either, but nobody - with the possible exception of Lebron and an occasional outlyer like the one when Wall scored 47 - wins games singlehandedly.

Horford and a healthy Nene could give the Wiz the best bigmen combo in the NBA - to go with a solid backcourt of Teague and Beal - and a good combo at the 3 of Webster and Ariza - plus a lotto pick in the 2013 draft. It'd be worth considering.

What's the upside of that construction though? Memphis Grizzlies East, IMO. Good teams that can get a decent seed in the playoffs for a couple year run. But without a superstar to lift all the ships, as soon as any one of those key players left or declined, the whole thing could take a major step back. And I don't think the group would be nearly good enough to win a championship. Beal is the only one who would have significant upside.

Whereas if Wall turns into a superstar, that's a decade of legit opportunity to build a contender around him. Superstars are the most valuable commodity in the NBA by far.

We just need to stand pat with Wall and Beal and make lesser trades and signings around them. They were the best perimeter players of their classes IMO. I think both are future All Stars and I think they'll be the best back court in the NBA in a few seasons. When it's their generation's day, they'll be one of the premier combos of stars in the NBA.

[gambitx777]

You very well could be right! But, I just don't think our team is built to win. we are just not deep enough and out side of wall beal and maybe webster where is the future of the team. NENE, is a time bomb and needs to be moved, okafur is not getting any younger and both he and ariza could just up and walk. Kevin, is regressing. Booker is consistently inconsistent. Jan is a certified bust, unless we start from scratch with his development. singleton is not showing us much worth having. and price, temple and martin are all ok bench players but after thoughts at best. We have to many misused draft picks and not enough depth.

We need to fix that first. If we can do that while keeping Wall then I'm all for it! I mean NENE and Okafur might next use young players or picks. If we make some cap room we can take back a contract, to get a pick or young player. Hopefully we can make better signings in the future. But we need to fix the problem, not jsut put a band aide on it and call it fine.

[fishercob]

There's no way our pick will get us a star like Love or Aldridge. We have to be really careful about trading it for for aging good players with limited shelf life.

But one guy I'd push very hard for behind the scenes is Ilyasova.

The Bucks are in a terrible spot. They're mediocre -- they're likely to make the playoffs with a losing record and will promptly get swept by Miami. They have lots in the air this summer with Jennings a RFA, Ellis with an ETO, the just-acquired Redick a UFA, Dunleavy a UFA. Even if they bring everyone back, their ceiling is very low. And any free agent who will sign there will not be a needle-mover in the win column.

With next year's draft set to be one of the best in a long time, Milwaukee may be wise to blow it up, get cheap, get bad, accumulate assets and rebuild from the ground up.

If they chose that route I'd give our pick plus whatever combo of Vesely/Singleton/Booker/Seraphin they wanted to make the numbers work in exchange for Ilyasova. He's just 25 and is signed to a very reasonable longterm contract. His game is tailor-made for our team. He's lights out from 3 and strong on the boards. He's been part of very good defensive teams. He can play 3 in big lineups.

This is where it would really nice if any of our young bigs had any value