Trades revisited

[madbucky]

A look back at the trades:

Marcus Morris actually declined after joining the Suns. So much for the theory that joining his brother will help him. I'd say the Rockets won this trade, getting a high 2nd round pick.

In the short term, the Kings seem to have benefited more from the trade. They have had a .412 winning percentage, beating teams like the Bulls, Clippers, and Warriors. Patterson's performance has increased, higher shooting percentage and also rebounding rate. Douglas' assists are way up. Robinson's FG% is higher now with the Rockets. Garcia's minutes are too little to have any impact. Honeycutt was waived.

Rockets: before trade 29-26 (.527), after trade 10-6 (.625)
Suns: before trade 18-36 (.333), after trade 5-13 (.278)
Kings: before trade 19-36 (.345), after trade 7-10 (.412)

(pts, reb, ast are per36 min)

Marcus Morris
Rockets: 21.4 min, 42.8% fg, 38.1% 3pt, 65.3% ft, 14.5 pts, 6.8 reb
Suns: 17.9 min, 39.2% fg, 34.5% 3pt, 44.4% ft, 13.7 pts, 5.4 reb

Patrick Patterson
Rockets: 25.9 min, 51.9% fg, 36.5% 3pt, 75.5% ft, 16.1 pts, 6.5 reb
Kings: 22.3 min, 53.5% fg, 56.0% 3pt, 80.0% ft, 14.5 pts, 7.8 reb

Toney Douglas
Rockets: 18.6 min, 39.5% fg, 37.7% 3pt, 88.2% ft, 15.7 pts, 3.7 ast
Kings: 16.8 min, 40.0% fg, 34.5% 3pt, 100% ft, 11.8 pts, 5.9 ast

Thomas Robinson
Kings: 15.9 min, 42.4% fg, 57.7% ft, 11.0 pts, 10.6 reb
Rockets: 14.5 min, 50.9% fg, 55.0% ft, 12.4 pts, 10.5 reb

Francisco Garcia
Kings: 17.8 min, 37.6% fg, 36.7% 3pt, 85.7% ft, 10.4 pts, 3.4 reb, 2.2 ast
Rockets: 13.3 min, 36.4% fg, 33.3% 3pt, 100% ft, 11.2 pts, 2.0 reb, 2.4 ast

Tyler Honeycutt
Kings: 3.6 min, 27.3% fg, 0.0% 3pt, 100% ft, 9.0 pts, 11.3 reb
Rockets: waived, signed to D-League

[madbucky]

Marcus Morris is in an epic slump. Over the past 6 games:

5-30 fg (16.7%)
0-10 3pt (0.0%)
2-9 ft (22.2%)

That's karma for you for badmouthing your former team. Patterson and Douglas didn't badmouth the Rockets, and they're doing great in Sacramento.

[Guy986]

I didn't care for Marcus Morris. I think moving him for a high 2nd was a good move.

But Patterson trade definitely hurt us short term. We'll see what Trob does in the near future. Right now i'm not that impressed. My impression is that he's going to be trade bait this summer.

[rocketsballin]

the kings trade was gonna work out for them short term. patterson and douglas are productive players, and cole is good for spot minutes

long term we got robinson who could turn out to be a legit starter. 2nd rounder for marcus isnt that great but its an early 2nd rounder. cant always get equal value. and its not he was highin the market. plenty of players similar

[moofs]

Imo, everything was covered in the trade thread

Future contract expectations are based on the predicted value of the player in question. If the player doesn't get minutes, he can't perform. If he can't perform, the perception of his abilities is that he couldn't make it in practice to earn minutes, hence his abilities must be limited. By not playing him, the Kings might have already damaged his perceived value. If this was any other team other than the Kings, murmurs of TRob being a bust would be abound. As it stands, TRob gets an asterisk next to his season stats because the Sacremento Kings front office is putrid.

The Kings basically spent a top 5 pick to draft a talent in a class that was -loaded- in that position. Yet somewhere after the ping pong ball affair, they had made no plans developing the forward they drafted. If the player had played, and played well _well_, they would actually have been able to get more value for him. Instead of getting another player in return, they could've swapped for an unprotected first round pick.

This trade is absolutely absurd for the Rockets. Kings got frigging fleeced just so we could slice their payroll and send a million bucks their way.

Let's look at the players we gave up:

Toney Douglas can't go right and can't really run an offense that is more complicated than handing off the ball to James Harden. He's 3 million a year, restricted free agent after this year. He'll probably get cut before he arrives.

And Pat^2? Yeah he'll get you double digit points with mid range Js and corner threes every game. And he wouldn't be in a position to get a board. He's a good complement to Cousins and Hayes, but his scoring numbers came from playing off Harden and Lin. He's also on the books for 4 million.

We shed 2 million this year and 4 million the next in cap, and we got rid of a starter and some pieces on the bench that were 7,9,10 players on the rotation. And we get back 2 second round picks? That's a good deal even if TRob happens to be not very good. We are winning over 50% of our games, with the lowest payroll in the entire NBA AND we have enough money to sign any talent who wants to get on board.

You are right, teams anticipate future contracts. Watch the Rockets do it for a few years and you realize our team does it from a completely different level compared to 2/3s of the league.

Houston Rockets
The Rockets did not really win their trades because of who they traded for. In fact, in the trade with the Kings, the Rockets gave up the most productive player in the deal — Patrick Patterson, who has been below average across his career so far — and most of the other players in the deal will probably not have much of an impact for either team. They also added $1.8 million in salary for this season (although they will save $0.7 million next season). So why do I think they are winners? The Rockets are clearing out the dead weight on their roster; while this might not mean much for many teams, Houston has some very productive and very underplayed backups (Greg Smith at PF/C, Patrick Beverley at PG). Moving these players into bigger roles is likely to help the team’s win totals. They are also taking a shot on two young players (Thomas Robinson, Tyler Honeycutt) who might end up becoming productive players, given enough minutes. These are the types of moves that well-run franchises make.

So I'll repeat, I'm still more interested in seeing Jones and Smith get more burn.
The two generics.

As am I. And motiejunas of course.

As the initial shock of trading for a 5th pick has worn away the less thrilled I am with this trade

Long and short...
- After impressing me for a short stretch, Motie has fallen right back into the cellar of my preseason expectations). Let's hope he can climb back out and impress again.
- Robinson looks to be selecting much better shots than he was with the Kings. He's not blowing anyone out of the water, but he's not sucking like he was in Sacto, either.
- Robinson is still playing better than Patterson was, at any rate.
- Garcia is eating minutes. No real production, at all, but eating minutes.
- We got the Cap'n. Nuff said.
- Save a short span, Morris was useless and is useless. Anything for him is a plus.
- As previously stated, we cut salary and cleared deadwood.

[x-]

I didn't care for Marcus Morris. I think moving him for a high 2nd was a good move.

But Patterson trade definitely hurt us short term. We'll see what Trob does in the near future. Right now i'm not that impressed. My impression is that he's going to be trade bait this summer.

I agree with all of the above.

[TheDream13]

Any reason Terrence Jones isn't getting some minutes? TRob's played just average over his brief career here.