The case for LeBron 2009 as the GOAT peak

[Not Bias]

I thought Kobe fans didn't like TS% because Kobe has a 55% TS for his career and 54% in the playoffs. So does TS % matter now? Kobe is pretty bad at it, especially compared to Lebron.

You're also ignoring the difference in defense and rebounding.

Do you believe the Lakers would have traded Pau for Mo that season?

No we hate fg%,we thrive on ts%...geez .

[An Unbiased Fan]

I thought Kobe fans didn't like TS% because Kobe has a 55% TS for his career and 54% in the playoffs. So does TS % matter now? Kobe is pretty bad at it, especially compared to Lebron.

You're also ignoring the difference in defense and rebounding.

Do you believe the Lakers would have traded Pau for Mo that season?

I'm not a Kobe fan but an unbiased fan, and have brought up TS% a million times on the PC board. So yeh, I guess you were wrong.

And again, the issue was 2nd option scoring, so why would I bring up rebound or defense? I never said Mo was equal to Pau as a player.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Mo was 18 ppg on 59% TS. Pau was 19 ppg on 61% TS

So Lebron was at 29.7/7.3reb/8.6apg on 59ts% and Kobe was 26.8/5.2reb/4.9apg on 56ts%.

Why are you bringing up RS stats, when i already said Lebron was the best RS player that year. Kobe was the best in the playoffs on both sides of the court.

[Not Bias]

Mo was 18 ppg on 59% TS. Pau was 19 ppg on 61% TS

So Lebron was at 29.7/7.3reb/8.6apg on 59ts% and Kobe was 26.8/5.2reb/4.9apg on 56ts%.

Why are you bringing up RS stats, when i already said Lebron was the best RS player that year. Kobe was the best in the playoffs on both sides of the court.

Okay sorry, in the PS Lebron 35.3/9.1reb/7.3apg on 61ts% vs Kobe 30.2/5.3reb/5.2apg on 56ts%, so I still win

[RayBan-Sematra]

I'm not a Kobe fan

That is a bold faced lie.

Kobe was the best in the playoffs on both sides of the court.

Didn't Lebron put up much better stats against the Magic?
Pretty sure if he had Peak Gasol shutting down Dwight while putting up sick raw stats that he would have advanced past the ECF.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Okay sorry, in the PS Lebron 35.3/9.1reb/7.3apg on 61ts% vs Kobe 30.2/5.3reb/5.2apg on 56ts%, so I still win

Except most of those games were against crappy East teams, and Lebron wasn't the defender Kobe was, nor was he close to having the same mental game.

[D.Brasco]

Browsing through this thread is there some sort of espn first take role playing game going on here? Like LARPING for sports analyst fans.

[Not Bias]

Okay sorry, in the PS Lebron 35.3/9.1reb/7.3apg on 61ts% vs Kobe 30.2/5.3reb/5.2apg on 56ts%, so I still win

Except most of those games were against crappy East teams, and Lebron wasn't the defender Kobe was, nor was he close to having the same mental game.

Okay what great west teams did Kobe face in the PS?? The 09 west was so much more watered down from the 08 version.

[Not Bias]

Browsing through this thread is there some sort of espn first take role playing game going on here? Like LARPING for sports analyst fans.

Yes join us, Skip and I are having our Facebook face off right now.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Didn't Lebron put up much better stats against the Magic?
Pretty sure if he had Peak Gasol shutting down Dwight while putting up sick raw stats that he would have advanced past the ECF.

This is funny. Dwight was the main problem, Rashard was. So yeh, would have been nice to see Lebron checking Lewis, much like Kobe did with Melo in the WCF many times.

Like I said, Kobe was better on both sides of the court.

[RayBan-Sematra]

Lebron wasn't the defender Kobe was, nor was he close to having the same mental game.

DRTG VS Orlando

Lebron : 113
Kobe : 100

Damn... wasn't expecting that.

Well DRTG doesn't really mean anything.

[SideshowBob]

This is amazing

[An Unbiased Fan]

Okay sorry, in the PS Lebron 35.3/9.1reb/7.3apg on 61ts% vs Kobe 30.2/5.3reb/5.2apg on 56ts%, so I still win

Except most of those games were against crappy East teams, and Lebron wasn't the defender Kobe was, nor was he close to having the same mental game.

Okay what great west teams did Kobe face in the PS?? The 09 west was so much more watered down from the 08 version.

All of the West teams were better than the first 2 opponents the Cavs faced.

[JulesWinnfield]

The big bad 2009 West where they faced powerhouses like the Rockets without Yao or Tmac due to injury

[Not Bias]

Okay what great west teams did Kobe face in the PS?? The 09 west was so much more watered down from the 08 version.

All of the West teams were better than the first 2 opponents the Cavs faced.

Okay and Kobe's supporting cast was better.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Okay what great west teams did Kobe face in the PS?? The 09 west was so much more watered down from the 08 version.

All of the West teams were better than the first 2 opponents the Cavs faced.

Okay and Kobe's supporting cast was better.

The Cavs didn't lose to the Lakers, they lost to a Jameer-less Magic team.

[Not Bias]

The Cavs didn't lose to the Lakers, they lost to a Jameer-less Magic team.

Again how do you expect a team with Mo Williams as you second option to seriously contend?? Face it Lebron was doing everything all by himself. They won 66 all due to his sheer dominance. Lebron didn't have a good enough team capable of winning it all. He put up better RS and PS numbers than Kobe, while leading this garbage team to the ECF. Heck there's a reason why he took his talents to south beach!!

[Illhavethelary]

All of the West teams were better than the first 2 opponents the Cavs faced.

Okay and Kobe's supporting cast was better.

The Cavs didn't lose to the Lakers, they lost to a Jameer-less Magic team.

The Cavs didn't get a lucky as the Lakers

[An Unbiased Fan]

The Cavs didn't lose to the Lakers, they lost to a Jameer-less Magic team.

Again how do you expect a team with Mo Williams as you second option to seriously contend?? Face it Lebron was doing everything all by himself. They won 66 all due to his sheer dominance. Lebron didn't have a good enough team capable of winning it all. He put up better RS and PS numbers than Kobe, while leading this garbage team to the ECF. Heck there's a reason why he took his talents to south beach!!

Question....why did the 2009 Cavs have a better record and SRS than any of Lebron's teams...if they sucked so bad?

I mean he's had Wade/Bosh for 3 years now, and still hasn't duplicated that. Even in a weak East, and with a 27 win streak....they still don't have the SRS of that 2009 squad. Strange

You can't give Lebron credit for the 66 wins, and then no blame for the fizzle in the ECF. His defense wasn't there yet, nor was his mental game, or his ability to close in the 4th.

[JulesWinnfield]

His ability to close in the 4th... We are talking about the series where he won a game at the buzzer with a three, sent another to OT with two clutch Ft's with under a second left, had another game where he scored or assisted on like 30 points in a row late, and was generally terrific at basically every stage of just about all those games

In a losing effort, its a better series than Kobe has ever had