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The Suns are trying to dismiss the notion that they are tanking...... Hmmm.... Anyone believe that bull crap? Haha.
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Every day that goes by, I miss Jerry Colangelo more and more.
Do I want the Suns to be in great draft position? Yeah, sure. But purposely trying to lose games isn't going to help the already despondent culture surrounding the team, not to mention our fractured image around the league. There was a time that the Phoenix Suns were one of the most well-respected and professionally run organizations in all of sports. Now? Not so much. I don't know who's calling the shots behind the scenes, but whoever it is, they need to go. I'm incredibly disappointed with Hunter that he went along with it. Just as I was starting to gain a little respect for the way he's run the team, he goes and flushes it down the drain. I don't care if Sarver, Blanks, Babby, etc demanded he sit Dragic and purposely try to lose games.... he should have refused, if for no other reason than to maintain his own dignity (not to mention the integrity of the game). If I were in his position, I'd say, "If winning is going to get me fired at the end of the year, so be it. I'd rather my hard work and dedication reflect upon me rather than being a 'yes' man that disrespects the game I love." If Sarver, Blanks, Babby, etc. didn't respect that, they obviously don't care about the game.
Do I want the Suns to be in great draft position? Yeah, sure. But purposely trying to lose games isn't going to help the already despondent culture surrounding the team, not to mention our fractured image around the league. There was a time that the Phoenix Suns were one of the most well-respected and professionally run organizations in all of sports. Now? Not so much. I don't know who's calling the shots behind the scenes, but whoever it is, they need to go. I'm incredibly disappointed with Hunter that he went along with it. Just as I was starting to gain a little respect for the way he's run the team, he goes and flushes it down the drain. I don't care if Sarver, Blanks, Babby, etc demanded he sit Dragic and purposely try to lose games.... he should have refused, if for no other reason than to maintain his own dignity (not to mention the integrity of the game). If I were in his position, I'd say, "If winning is going to get me fired at the end of the year, so be it. I'd rather my hard work and dedication reflect upon me rather than being a 'yes' man that disrespects the game I love." If Sarver, Blanks, Babby, etc. didn't respect that, they obviously don't care about the game.
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Didn't know the Mercury won the first overall pick.. Griner!
I Dont wanna be here
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The article should say,"Suns players struggle with a fan base that wants them to lose".
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As much as I love Jerry Colangelo, I think you guys need to calm it down. The Suns are doing exactly what they need to. I hate to tell you this, but next year is probably going to include more losses than this year has.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
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Scubetrolis wrote:As much as I love Jerry Colangelo, I think you guys need to calm it down. The Suns are doing exactly what they need to. I hate to tell you this, but next year is probably going to include more losses than this year has.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
True fans never wanted to see the team tank. I've been a Suns fan since I could watch TV. I understand the importance of getting a high draft pick. I know that you must lose before you can win. That being said, I absolutely do not believe any team should purposely throw a game. If you assemble a poor team, losses will stack up.... no help necessary. If Sarver wanted us to lose a ton of games, he should not have signed guys like Dragic, Scola, Brown, etc. Also, why not unload most of the vets at the deadline? That would have probably resulted in some more losses. Instead, just as the team is starting to gel under Hunter and Dragic is finally coming into his own, they force him to sit in order to facilitate more losses. Disgusting.
I knew we weren't going to be a good team this year and had no chance to make the playoffs. I accepted that coming into the season. My mindset for the season was: I refuse to hope we lose games, but if we come up short, I won't lose sleep over it..... that's just part of rebuilding. I believe all true fans will feel the same way. To further make a mockery of the sport of basketball is pathetic. Let Stern ruin the game, no need to join him.
I'll just say this, purposely throwing games will most likely come back to haunt us. Karma is a b1tch. /end_rant
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I also do not like tanking if there is a chance to be competitive, but this current Suns team is not very competitive. They have heart, no denying that, but our lack of talent is fairly apparent.
What the Suns did during the offseason is similar to what the Cardinals are currently doing as well. They see that they have no shot so they are making the tough choice to sign stop-gaps while rebuilding. Except you can rebuild a lot easier and faster in the NFL than in the NBA due to the way the game has changed.
Unfortunately "old" basketball no longer exists due to the "Superfriends" phenomenon which has swept the league. Yes, Phoenix is still a semi-desirable market due to size, weather, medical staff, etc. not so much with front office and ownership though. However, do we really stand a chance at getting and assembling a team of superstars here with what we currently have? I'm leaning very heavily towards no and don't get me wrong, I love Dragic and some of our other pieces, but its not enticing any marquee free agent to want to come here.
It's pretty much tank or treadmill, I'm just glad we finally decided to get off the treadmill. Now we just have to hope we don't strike out on our draft picks. It honestly sucks, but it had to be done.
What the Suns did during the offseason is similar to what the Cardinals are currently doing as well. They see that they have no shot so they are making the tough choice to sign stop-gaps while rebuilding. Except you can rebuild a lot easier and faster in the NFL than in the NBA due to the way the game has changed.
Unfortunately "old" basketball no longer exists due to the "Superfriends" phenomenon which has swept the league. Yes, Phoenix is still a semi-desirable market due to size, weather, medical staff, etc. not so much with front office and ownership though. However, do we really stand a chance at getting and assembling a team of superstars here with what we currently have? I'm leaning very heavily towards no and don't get me wrong, I love Dragic and some of our other pieces, but its not enticing any marquee free agent to want to come here.
It's pretty much tank or treadmill, I'm just glad we finally decided to get off the treadmill. Now we just have to hope we don't strike out on our draft picks. It honestly sucks, but it had to be done.
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1. patience is the key... Suns had their moment in the sun as legit top 4 team.
Now they are on a rebuilding phase... Re-stocking talent, youth whilst the current contenders are going all out.
The suns are going through a NORMAL stage that they luckily didn't endure too long last time (pre Nash era).
This time there is NO lucky franchise player to sign to make them legit.
Plus they already had Amare, Marion, Barbosa etc just before Nash arrived.
Well guess what?
The suns are in the process of getting their "new" Amare, Marion etc type of players from the draft.
It's a cycle....
Be patient... the suns are WAY better off this way rather than signing bad contracts and being mediocre or a decade more.
The steps are;
1. Acquire young talent. (For 2-3 years) using the draft.
2. Sign high potential young players on cheap contracts.
3. Develop the youth.
4. and then sign a couple of veteran star frees agents.
The suns cap space structure is nice and "easy" to look at, at the moment.
No one is making over 10 million and no one is signed post 2015, plus many expiring a by 2014.
This off season trade away; (try to package Beasley with one of them, add a protected second rounder if suns must)
- Scola
- Dudley
- Gortat
Re-sign
- W.Johnson (nothing more than 3 year 12-14 million).
Suns should have 30+ million cap space in 2014 to lure a couple of stud free agents.
Plus a young team that has had a good developmental process of getting minutes and plays drawn specifically for them.
Accepting 8-9 spot as "OK" positions to be at and claim them as "competitive" is not really helpful.
Suns need to aim for legit contendership each time by going for the best team possible, sign best fit stars possible...
Now they are on a rebuilding phase... Re-stocking talent, youth whilst the current contenders are going all out.
The suns are going through a NORMAL stage that they luckily didn't endure too long last time (pre Nash era).
This time there is NO lucky franchise player to sign to make them legit.
Plus they already had Amare, Marion, Barbosa etc just before Nash arrived.
Well guess what?
The suns are in the process of getting their "new" Amare, Marion etc type of players from the draft.
It's a cycle....
Be patient... the suns are WAY better off this way rather than signing bad contracts and being mediocre or a decade more.
The steps are;
1. Acquire young talent. (For 2-3 years) using the draft.
2. Sign high potential young players on cheap contracts.
3. Develop the youth.
4. and then sign a couple of veteran star frees agents.
The suns cap space structure is nice and "easy" to look at, at the moment.
No one is making over 10 million and no one is signed post 2015, plus many expiring a by 2014.
This off season trade away; (try to package Beasley with one of them, add a protected second rounder if suns must)
- Scola
- Dudley
- Gortat
Re-sign
- W.Johnson (nothing more than 3 year 12-14 million).
Suns should have 30+ million cap space in 2014 to lure a couple of stud free agents.
Plus a young team that has had a good developmental process of getting minutes and plays drawn specifically for them.
Accepting 8-9 spot as "OK" positions to be at and claim them as "competitive" is not really helpful.
Suns need to aim for legit contendership each time by going for the best team possible, sign best fit stars possible...
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LV-Suns wrote:Didn't know the Mercury won the first overall pick.. Griner!
I didn't know that either....heck Ya!!!

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JMac1 wrote:LV-Suns wrote:Didn't know the Mercury won the first overall pick.. Griner!
I didn't know that either....heck Ya!!!
They were plagued with a bunch of injuries last season. Key players missed too many games, and the team never recovered. Hopefully the injuries are behind them.
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Coro's article being picked up on Yahoo Sports
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Nice post.ShawnBronald wrote:Scubetrolis wrote:As much as I love Jerry Colangelo, I think you guys need to calm it down. The Suns are doing exactly what they need to. I hate to tell you this, but next year is probably going to include more losses than this year has.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
True fans never wanted to see the team tank. I've been a Suns fan since I could watch TV. I understand the importance of getting a high draft pick. I know that you must lose before you can win. That being said, I absolutely do not believe any team should purposely throw a game. If you assemble a poor team, losses will stack up.... no help necessary. If Sarver wanted us to lose a ton of games, he should not have signed guys like Dragic, Scola, Brown, etc. Also, why not unload most of the vets at the deadline? That would have probably resulted in some more losses. Instead, just as the team is starting to gel under Hunter and Dragic is finally coming into his own, they force him to sit in order to facilitate more losses. Disgusting.
Very nice post SB.
I knew we weren't going to be a good team this year and had no chance to make the playoffs. I accepted that coming into the season. My mindset for the season was: I refuse to hope we lose games, but if we come up short, I won't lose sleep over it..... that's just part of rebuilding. I believe all true fans will feel the same way. To further make a mockery of the sport of basketball is pathetic. Let Stern ruin the game, no need to join him.
I'll just say this, purposely throwing games will most likely come back to haunt us. Karma is a b1tch. /end_rant

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Against Jazz, given the situation...
I would of sat out Dragic 10 out of 10 times.
Jazz are fighting for playoff spot against Lakers and if they make it, it's another lottery pick to Suns.
Meaning Suns traded Nash for a 2013 lottery pick and another potential lottery pick in 2015.
From a GMs job description... doing best for the franchise long term and short term that was a no brainier. It was a good business decision.
Against Mavs, I'd do the same thing... Maximise the chances of that 2nd lottery pick.
No ones likes losing but rather get something for it than nothing.
It is a bit annoying hearing fans say they cannot stand losing... Because first thing in my mind is "No $hit".
But what's whining going to do???
The Suns FO couldn't give a rat's a$$ if it irks you.
It irks them too.. It's like running a company that is failing... That's there perspective.
But long term feasibility is important and that's what Suns is doing... They are preparing for a couple of seasons from now. Because as of current they have not much options.
If by some luck this coming off season the Suns manage to luck out by;
- Chris Paul and Dwight Howard accepting to team up in Phoenix.
- Getting lucky in the 2013 draft by drafting a stud.
Then so be it...
But at this point, the team's best option is to lay low and get talent from the draft.
All these articles pointing out that the 2013 lottery is crap are being trolls... The Suns are a bad team this year... They lost 99% of their games unintentionally... Why troll fans by writing negative articles!??
How about just writing facts... And lay off the negative opinions...
It's even more annoying that these articles come from Arizona based journalists.
What's the point??? Other than further depressing Suns fans???
Suns will draft BPA and proceed to 2013-2014 season with the attitude of playing the hand dealt to them best to their advantage short term and long term. And that's all you can do other than miraculously getting 2-3 stars to team up in Phoenix accepting lower salaries.
I would of sat out Dragic 10 out of 10 times.
Jazz are fighting for playoff spot against Lakers and if they make it, it's another lottery pick to Suns.
Meaning Suns traded Nash for a 2013 lottery pick and another potential lottery pick in 2015.
From a GMs job description... doing best for the franchise long term and short term that was a no brainier. It was a good business decision.
Against Mavs, I'd do the same thing... Maximise the chances of that 2nd lottery pick.
No ones likes losing but rather get something for it than nothing.
It is a bit annoying hearing fans say they cannot stand losing... Because first thing in my mind is "No $hit".
But what's whining going to do???
The Suns FO couldn't give a rat's a$$ if it irks you.
It irks them too.. It's like running a company that is failing... That's there perspective.
But long term feasibility is important and that's what Suns is doing... They are preparing for a couple of seasons from now. Because as of current they have not much options.
If by some luck this coming off season the Suns manage to luck out by;
- Chris Paul and Dwight Howard accepting to team up in Phoenix.
- Getting lucky in the 2013 draft by drafting a stud.
Then so be it...
But at this point, the team's best option is to lay low and get talent from the draft.
All these articles pointing out that the 2013 lottery is crap are being trolls... The Suns are a bad team this year... They lost 99% of their games unintentionally... Why troll fans by writing negative articles!??
How about just writing facts... And lay off the negative opinions...
It's even more annoying that these articles come from Arizona based journalists.
What's the point??? Other than further depressing Suns fans???
Suns will draft BPA and proceed to 2013-2014 season with the attitude of playing the hand dealt to them best to their advantage short term and long term. And that's all you can do other than miraculously getting 2-3 stars to team up in Phoenix accepting lower salaries.
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ShawnBronald wrote:Scubetrolis wrote:As much as I love Jerry Colangelo, I think you guys need to calm it down. The Suns are doing exactly what they need to. I hate to tell you this, but next year is probably going to include more losses than this year has.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
True fans never wanted to see the team tank. I've been a Suns fan since I could watch TV. I understand the importance of getting a high draft pick. I know that you must lose before you can win. That being said, I absolutely do not believe any team should purposely throw a game. If you assemble a poor team, losses will stack up.... no help necessary. If Sarver wanted us to lose a ton of games, he should not have signed guys like Dragic, Scola, Brown, etc. Also, why not unload most of the vets at the deadline? That would have probably resulted in some more losses. Instead, just as the team is starting to gel under Hunter and Dragic is finally coming into his own, they force him to sit in order to facilitate more losses. Disgusting.
I knew we weren't going to be a good team this year and had no chance to make the playoffs. I accepted that coming into the season. My mindset for the season was: I refuse to hope we lose games, but if we come up short, I won't lose sleep over it..... that's just part of rebuilding. I believe all true fans will feel the same way. To further make a mockery of the sport of basketball is pathetic. Let Stern ruin the game, no need to join him.
I'll just say this, purposely throwing games will most likely come back to haunt us. Karma is a b1tch. /end_rant
so because you wanted our team to be a treadmill team and win enough games to not get a good draft pick yet still suck, that makes you a true fan and not the people that want high draft picks to re-build properly? that makes no sense. both sides have loyal fans but just look at the re-building method differently. please don't say that people that want to tank are not loyal fans, that is absurd. i am a die-hard suns fan and i believe tanking is by far the best way to re-build. does that make me not a true fan too? i have been viewing this board for a while now and decided to finally join, but i must say.......many posters on this board like to attack others that want the team to tank and receive high draft picks to re-build with top talent through the draft and it baffles me. it is common logic in all sports, not just basketball....suck for one or a couple seasons and draft a young franchise player on a cheap salary as well. teams in every sport tank, it's just smart to do, plain and simple
ever since robert sarver bought the team our franchise has slowly disintegrated to this point we are at now. but recently i am gaining confidence with the front office because it finally looks like they have a legitimate plan. tank, get good draft picks, and sit our best player in a must lose game against utah for another lotto pick. i am getting excited now because it looks like the franchise is finally ditching the treadmill idea to keep butts in the seats, and is instead now focusing on a proper re-build and accumulation of great picks. i absolutely loved the move of siting dragic the last two games and want to give credit to the front office for finally listening to the fans and attempting to build through the draft. this is beautiful to watch right now, maybe our new front office is not so bad after all!

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ShawnBronald wrote:Scubetrolis wrote:As much as I love Jerry Colangelo, I think you guys need to calm it down. The Suns are doing exactly what they need to. I hate to tell you this, but next year is probably going to include more losses than this year has.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
True fans never wanted to see the team tank. I've been a Suns fan since I could watch TV. I understand the importance of getting a high draft pick. I know that you must lose before you can win. That being said, I absolutely do not believe any team should purposely throw a game. If you assemble a poor team, losses will stack up.... no help necessary. If Sarver wanted us to lose a ton of games, he should not have signed guys like Dragic, Scola, Brown, etc. Also, why not unload most of the vets at the deadline? That would have probably resulted in some more losses. Instead, just as the team is starting to gel under Hunter and Dragic is finally coming into his own, they force him to sit in order to facilitate more losses. Disgusting.
I knew we weren't going to be a good team this year and had no chance to make the playoffs. I accepted that coming into the season. My mindset for the season was: I refuse to hope we lose games, but if we come up short, I won't lose sleep over it..... that's just part of rebuilding. I believe all true fans will feel the same way. To further make a mockery of the sport of basketball is pathetic. Let Stern ruin the game, no need to join him.
I'll just say this, purposely throwing games will most likely come back to haunt us. Karma is a b1tch. /end_rant
This is 100% false. I'm as hardcore true blue as you can get passionate Suns fan and I want us to tank. In my opinion you are just being emotional and myopic. If you really don't think tanking from here on out and giving us a better draft selection (were talking top 5 keep in mind) then I honestly don't think you understand the business of basketball.
Dragic got great burn and made progress this year no need to injure or frustrate him further. Also going tank allows us to give more minutes to lesser know quantities on our roster for the rest of the year to get a better idea of what we have going into the summer. Everyone who was realistic knew this was going to be a crash and burn, start from scratch type rebuild season with zero playoff expectations. This season was about evaluating the players we currently have while waiting for the offseason and nothing more. I guess you don't understand making sacrifices for future gain; you would rather be perpetually stuck on the playoff bubble and never seriously compete. From my perspective im a real fan because i'm the one patient enough to engineer a team that can win a championship rather becoming impatient and frustrated & continually trying to just win for egos sake before the team has even been rebuilt. Did people already forget how well tanking worked for the Thunder or that Popovich sits his players all the time? Have people seriously already forgotten that we had to suck to get Marion and Amare who were the core (with Steve of course) of our successfull SSOL era?
Toughen up people geez...sometimes to win a marathon you have to put a few bandaids on your nipples.

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I don't agree losing games on purpose is the solution BUT answer this...
What player other than Dragic has future with this team?
There is no need to win games and try to establish some kind of rhythm with this team if none of these players will be here in the future.
What player other than Dragic has future with this team?
There is no need to win games and try to establish some kind of rhythm with this team if none of these players will be here in the future.
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mybloodisorange wrote:ShawnBronald wrote:Scubetrolis wrote:As much as I love Jerry Colangelo, I think you guys need to calm it down. The Suns are doing exactly what they need to. I hate to tell you this, but next year is probably going to include more losses than this year has.
What happened to all the passion this board had last year with the, "WE NEED TO TANK" talk? This is what tanking look likes. Next years draft seem very promising, assuming we land a top 3 pick.
You have to be bad to get good, most of the time.
True fans never wanted to see the team tank. I've been a Suns fan since I could watch TV. I understand the importance of getting a high draft pick. I know that you must lose before you can win. That being said, I absolutely do not believe any team should purposely throw a game. If you assemble a poor team, losses will stack up.... no help necessary. If Sarver wanted us to lose a ton of games, he should not have signed guys like Dragic, Scola, Brown, etc. Also, why not unload most of the vets at the deadline? That would have probably resulted in some more losses. Instead, just as the team is starting to gel under Hunter and Dragic is finally coming into his own, they force him to sit in order to facilitate more losses. Disgusting.
I knew we weren't going to be a good team this year and had no chance to make the playoffs. I accepted that coming into the season. My mindset for the season was: I refuse to hope we lose games, but if we come up short, I won't lose sleep over it..... that's just part of rebuilding. I believe all true fans will feel the same way. To further make a mockery of the sport of basketball is pathetic. Let Stern ruin the game, no need to join him.
I'll just say this, purposely throwing games will most likely come back to haunt us. Karma is a b1tch. /end_rant
This is 100% false. I'm as hardcore true blue as you can get passionate Suns fan and I want us to tank. In my opinion you are just being emotional and myopic. If you really don't think tanking from here on out and giving us a better draft selection (were talking top 5 keep in mind) then I honestly don't think you understand the business of basketball.
Dragic got great burn and made progress this year no need to injure or frustrate him further. Also going tank allows us to give more minutes to lesser know quantities on our roster for the rest of the year to get a better idea of what we have going into the summer. Everyone who was realistic knew this was going to be a crash and burn, start from scratch type rebuild season with zero playoff expectations. This season was about evaluating the players we currently have while waiting for the offseason and nothing more. I guess you don't understand making sacrifices for future gain; you would rather be perpetually stuck on the playoff bubble and never seriously compete. From my perspective im a real fan because i'm the one patient enough to engineer a team that can win a championship rather becoming impatient and frustrated & continually trying to just win for egos sake before the team has even been rebuilt. Did people already forget how well tanking worked for the Thunder or that Popovich sits his players all the time? Have people seriously already forgotten that we had to suck to get Marion and Amare who were the core (with Steve of course) of our successfull SSOL era?
Toughen up people geez...sometimes to win a marathon you have to put a few bandaids on your nipples.
right on the money orange! it sucks right now but when we draft a franchise player it will all be worth it
Re: Suns players struggle to accept losing atmosphere
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Re: Suns players struggle to accept losing atmosphere
People are crazy if they think players actually tank.
A coach might set the team up to fail if given orders by the management but I've always thought what the one player said in the article. Along the lines of playing for another contract and your career. Why would a player throw away his future to help a franchise? Would you? That makes absolutely no sense. Most of these teams that "tank" either suck or the coach is setting em up to fail. In no way would a player jeopardize their career for the sake of a billion dollar corporation. The window to play basketball is limited and you'd be a fool to set yourself up for a future pay cut or worse, ousted from the league. Even if I were a player that was in a long term contract or in my final contract, I still wouldn't intentionally play poorly because odds are, I'd have pride in the numbers I put up for my career. A lot of people go through life and their accomplishments aren't going to be in any books and nobody will remember them. Even if you're a scrub player, your name will still be on the record at the end of the day. I'd have pride in knowing that and that somewhere, my name and career are archived. Maybe that's just me though.
As a fan, I get wanting the team to tank but who here would go out there and intentionally play poorly with the risk of losing money and maybe your job? To think players actually tank is absurd. How have teams like the Wizards, Bobcats and Raptors done with tanking? Truth is, they didn't tank. They were just terrible teams and still are.
A coach might set the team up to fail if given orders by the management but I've always thought what the one player said in the article. Along the lines of playing for another contract and your career. Why would a player throw away his future to help a franchise? Would you? That makes absolutely no sense. Most of these teams that "tank" either suck or the coach is setting em up to fail. In no way would a player jeopardize their career for the sake of a billion dollar corporation. The window to play basketball is limited and you'd be a fool to set yourself up for a future pay cut or worse, ousted from the league. Even if I were a player that was in a long term contract or in my final contract, I still wouldn't intentionally play poorly because odds are, I'd have pride in the numbers I put up for my career. A lot of people go through life and their accomplishments aren't going to be in any books and nobody will remember them. Even if you're a scrub player, your name will still be on the record at the end of the day. I'd have pride in knowing that and that somewhere, my name and career are archived. Maybe that's just me though.
As a fan, I get wanting the team to tank but who here would go out there and intentionally play poorly with the risk of losing money and maybe your job? To think players actually tank is absurd. How have teams like the Wizards, Bobcats and Raptors done with tanking? Truth is, they didn't tank. They were just terrible teams and still are.