Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II

[Dr Positivity]

Trey Burke is the next Jameer Nelson. I think his first step is good enough and he's got NBA range plus he's a good decision maker. Not a star but you could do worse at PG.

Agreed Jameer is the name that jumps out to me as well, though if Burke can add 8-9apg to Nelson's caliber of scoring, it might make him a star. I can't sell myself that Burke will do damage in the paint in the NBA. Love everything else about his game though.

Would not be surprised if Burke goes 1st overall in the draft btw. The vibe is all wrong for every other #1 candidate and Burke was up to 7 on Ford's board before tonight's "his draft stock just took viagra" game which should conceivably plug him in the top 5 and within striking distance. If the right team is picking #1, why not?

[thinker07]

Haas anyone heard how Satoransky (sp?) is doing? Any chance he could contribute next year (or ever)?

[B-easy]

I think oladipo might be good for us.

[Ruzious]

I'll tell you who impressed me: Mitch Mcgary. He's actually got thick arms unlike Zeller. McGary won't ever be a defender, but he's crafty, a lefty, and a heck of a rebounder.

According to nbadraft.net, McGary was measured as 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan. I don't think he's anywhere near 6'11, but that wingspan measurement might be accurate. He did look like he had long arms.

I wonder of he'd come out this year. I'd EASILY take him with our pick.

When Indiana beat Michigan on March 10th, 72-71, McGary and Zeller were matched up against each other. McGary had 2 points and 2 rebounds. Zeller had 26 and 10. It's interesting that McGary had his breakout game against Withey.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

There are alot of players I like in this draft, guys that seem to get it, like Porter, Burke, Oladipo, etc. Alot of good role players. I'd really like to see the Wizards add another pick or 2.

Anyone think they could get a later 1st for a Seraphin/Singleton package? Maybe another one for Vesely & our 2nd rounders?

I'd love to come out of this draft with something like Burke and Mcdermott, and a center (Withey, Dieng, Olynyck, Cauley, Muscala).

[SUPERBALLMAN]

There are alot of players I like in this draft, guys that seem to get it, like Porter, Burke, Oladipo, etc. Alot of good role players. I'd really like to see the Wizards add another pick or 2.

Anyone think they could get a later 1st for a Seraphin/Singleton package? Maybe another one for Vesely & our 2nd rounders?

I'd love to come out of this draft with something like Burke and Mcdermott, and a center (Withey, Dieng, Olynyck, Cauley, Muscala).


For example:

Okafor, Withey
Nene, Booker, Mcdermott
Ariza, Webster
Beal, Temple
Wall, Burke, Price

[mhd]

Good night for the tank:

1) Bobcats-Noel
2) Magic-Mclemore
3) Cavs-Porter
4) Suns-Shabaaz
5) Detroit-Burke (his tournament play and him being local leapfrops Smart)
6) Hornets-Smart (Vasquez is a soon to be FA)
7) Wiz-???

[Ruzious]

Trey Burke is the next Jameer Nelson. I think his first step is good enough and he's got NBA range plus he's a good decision maker. Not a star but you could do worse at PG.

Agreed Jameer is the name that jumps out to me as well, though if Burke can add 8-9apg to Nelson's caliber of scoring, it might make him a star. I can't sell myself that Burke will do damage in the paint in the NBA. Love everything else about his game though.

Would not be surprised if Burke goes 1st overall in the draft btw. The vibe is all wrong for every other #1 candidate and Burke was up to 7 on Ford's board before tonight's "his draft stock just took viagra" game which should conceivably plug him in the top 5 and within striking distance. If the right team is picking #1, why not?

Steve made this comparison several weeks ago. I still don't think it's accurate. Burke is more talented with better skills. He's a few inches longer and not as limited on defense. And he's significantly better at setting up his teammates and in decision-making. Nelson's career is a bit odd. He played like a star in 2 seasons (2005-2006 and 2008-2009) but has been just okay for the rest of his career.

[stevemcqueen1]

Steve made this comparison several weeks ago. I still don't think it's accurate. Burke is more talented with better skills. He's a few inches longer and not as limited on defense. And he's significantly better at setting up his teammates and in decision-making. Nelson's career is a bit odd. He played like a star in 2 seasons (2005-2006 and 2008-2009) but has been just okay for the rest of his career.

I agree that Burke is more talented. To my eye he's more of a natural facilitator and he's got better ball handling skills. His handle is tight and his ceiling could be somewhere like a poor man's Kyrie Irving/Ty Lawson. Not as quick as either of them, not as gifted a scorer, but definitely a better passer than Kyrie. Nelson is a little bit of a floor for him IMO. And it's true Nelson was a star for a hot minute, and he had an illustrious career at St. Joseph's with Delonte West. But the state of PG was also pretty weak in the East at that point. There was a stretch mid decade where Kidd and Nash were the only credible PGs in the league.

I like Burke now more than I did. He is poised and skilled. I think he's a starter with solid upside. He's ready to play early in his NBA career. There's probably always going to be a place for shorter, below the rim PGs with skills like him. But I think his upside is limited by his size and speed. He's a better PG today than Marcus Smart, but I think Smart's upside is a good deal better than Burke's. Much better NBA body, better hands and body control, much stronger, a more natural slasher. He's not particularly fast or explosive either, but he's got size. Decision making and shooting consistency are his weaknesses and he can develop those skills just like John has. His raw tools are a lot better.

[stevemcqueen1]

Agreed Jameer is the name that jumps out to me as well, though if Burke can add 8-9apg to Nelson's caliber of scoring, it might make him a star. I can't sell myself that Burke will do damage in the paint in the NBA. Love everything else about his game though.

Would not be surprised if Burke goes 1st overall in the draft btw. The vibe is all wrong for every other #1 candidate and Burke was up to 7 on Ford's board before tonight's "his draft stock just took viagra" game which should conceivably plug him in the top 5 and within striking distance. If the right team is picking #1, why not?

I'd be pretty shocked if he went #1 because of his level of athleticism and size and the other players in the class. IIRC, John, Rose, and Kyrie are the only guards that went first in a long time. Before them you had Iverson then before AI you have to go all the way back to Magic Johnson in 1979 and he was not a typical guard.

Re: the recent #1 guards, Each of them looked like future superstars in college and were clearly the best players in their class. I don't get that vibe from Burke at all. He's nowhere near the athlete John and Rose were nor does he have the size and speed Kyrie did. And this class isn't as weak as 2011 was, I think there are at least five or six players who are better than Burke and two of them are true bigs. I think Bennett and Smart are better than him too, and I think McLemore will probably be taken ahead of Burke.

On a side note, I think it's unlikely McLemore goes first overall too. A pure SG hasn't gone first since the merger, if ever. Not even Jordan went first. I think that, when the dust settles, Noel will go first, McLemore will go second or third, and Smart, Bennett, and Zeller will probably fill out the top five. Granted that could change drastically if one player tears up the individual work outs.

[mhd]

If Burke continues his steller play, he'll be valued by teams as potentially the 1st/2nd PG in the draft. I think a pick swap with the Bucks where we get Illyasova and they get an expiring (Versley+Singleton or Ariza) is a potential trade.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Just out of curiosity, what does everyone think about Brown at florida gulf coast?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sherwood Brown has swagger and is a natural leader. He's athletic. I think he's certainly worth an invite to training camp as a FA. I don't think his body of work is better than others who are projected to be drafted in round two.

If the Wizards did draft him with their late round two pick, it wouldn't be he worst move they could make but I will probably name a couple other players I think are better/more deserving based on all their years.

Would you select him over Jamaal Franklin, Nate Wolters, Isaiah Canaan, Zeke Marshall, Lorenzo Brown, Michael Snaer, Khalid Wyatt, Carrick Felix? I don't think I would.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

There's a really good new 'prospect of the week' article on DX about Mike Muscala.

[Ruzious]

Steve made this comparison several weeks ago. I still don't think it's accurate. Burke is more talented with better skills. He's a few inches longer and not as limited on defense. And he's significantly better at setting up his teammates and in decision-making. Nelson's career is a bit odd. He played like a star in 2 seasons (2005-2006 and 2008-2009) but has been just okay for the rest of his career.

I agree that Burke is more talented. To my eye he's more of a natural facilitator and he's got better ball handling skills. His handle is tight and his ceiling could be somewhere like a poor man's Kyrie Irving/Ty Lawson. Not as quick as either of them, not as gifted a scorer, but definitely a better passer than Kyrie. Nelson is a little bit of a floor for him IMO. And it's true Nelson was a star for a hot minute, and he had an illustrious career at St. Joseph's with Delonte West. But the state of PG was also pretty weak in the East at that point. There was a stretch mid decade where Kidd and Nash were the only credible PGs in the league.

I like Burke now more than I did. He is poised and skilled. I think he's a starter with solid upside. He's ready to play early in his NBA career. There's probably always going to be a place for shorter, below the rim PGs with skills like him. But I think his upside is limited by his size and speed. He's a better PG today than Marcus Smart, but I think Smart's upside is a good deal better than Burke's. Much better NBA body, better hands and body control, much stronger, a more natural slasher. He's not particularly fast or explosive either, but he's got size. Decision making and shooting consistency are his weaknesses and he can develop those skills just like John has. His raw tools are a lot better.

Yeah, Smart and Burke are so different, and while I think Burke will be a better point guard, Smart has more upside as just a player - though maybe not as a PG. I guess the best comp to Smart is Stuckey, but I see him as a better version of Stuckey - with unusual leadership ability. I think he'd be perfect for Utah - a team desperate for a point guard - as well as a charismatic leader like Deron Williams seemed to be.

[Ruzious]

Sherwood Brown has swagger and is a natural leader. He's athletic. I think he's certainly worth an invite to training camp as a FA. I don't think his body of work is better than others who are projected to be drafted in round two.

If the Wizards did draft him with their late round two pick, it wouldn't be he worst move they could make but I will probably name a couple other players I think are better/more deserving based on all their years.

Would you select him over Jamaal Franklin, Nate Wolters, Isaiah Canaan, Zeke Marshall, Lorenzo Brown, Michael Snaer, Khalid Wyatt, Carrick Felix? I don't think I would.

Honestly, I don't think he and Snaer are draft-worthy. Jamaal Franklin is the one guy there that's really interesting to me - if he can show he can shoot. And Wolters could be in the Jeff Hornacek mold - when he was so effective playing with John Stockton.

[nate33]

There is no chance that Burke goes #1 overall. None. No team is going to draft a 6-0 player 1st overall unless he has freak athleticism like Allen Iverson did.

[The Consiglieri]

Good night for the tank:

1) Bobcats-Noel
2) Magic-Mclemore
3) Cavs-Porter
4) Suns-Shabaaz
5) Detroit-Burke (his tournament play and him being local leapfrops Smart)
6) Hornets-Smart (Vasquez is a soon to be FA)
7) Wiz-???

Another look at the schedule and I see 2-4 wins in our last 11. We'll win 28-30 in my view, most likely scenario is the 7th-8th pick, worst case is 10th, best is probably 5th-6th.

I like to use Ford as my go to simply because he seems to have the most sources for reliable projections on who wold be drafted where. His evals seem accurate not in terms necessairly of who will be great and who won't be, i think he's fine with that, but not necessairly better or worse than anyone ese, i simply mean on where guys will go based on the latest info. That's why I like his stuff. It's just much more helpful for figuring out whose likely to be available if we jump up, stay at current slot, or slip a bit.

Seems like our preferences pre-workouts/combines are:

If we land #1:
Noel

If we land 2nd or 3rd:

Porter or Bennett

If we land 6th-8th:

Bennett or Muhammad (Im curious how far Muhammad might draft based on the age info)

If we land bottom of the barrell 10th or so:

Zeller, Olynyk, or Len.

So what are our preferences among them?

I'd go:

Noel
Bennett
Porter

Then:
Bennett
Muhammad trade out (Simply because i don't believe he'll be worth where he goes, the upside is he won't bust, the down side will be that he's a bit of a volume scorer that adds little else.

Then:
Len or Olynyk or Zeller

Haven't been able to decide my preferences as Ithink they're all future mediocre centers, with a bit of upside (maybe above average) but zero chance of becoming elite. As such you probably get the best piece for your squad, and i think they are all fairly even in that sense with Zeller being the fastest and maybe most athletic and best technically, while Len is the best post guy, and Olynyk is the most efficient contributor.

At the end of the day we basically appear to be in position to land 1 guy who has great upside (Bennett), one guy that could be a third scoring option for Wall to end the horrific bricklaying trends of 2009-2013 (with him and Beal, that would be helpful), and a handful of centers that play the position right in various ways and would be efficient and sound players, solid contributors but no more than that. Hmmmm

In my view, it's probably Bennett, Porter, or trade out for '14 picks, or trade down (in terms of what I'd do).

I won't cry if we land one of the centers though. I have a hard time seeing any of them as complete busts. Olynyk seems like a lock to be a consistent solid option at the 5 or 4, Len with Wall, seems like a guy who'd be a top 10-14 center in the league if things pan out, and considering how sound all elements of Zeller's game are, I could see him becoming a top 12 center if everything panned out. I guess at the end my issue is that there's something inherently wrong with getting ---- all out of 2 of our 5 horrid season drafts, and only a solid player out of a third season and the other bummer is that considering our luck with this era, the busts, and the fact that we are going to just miss the franchise draft ('14), and the best franchise player(s) (Davis and Drummond last year), essentially means this team won't even be making a conference final, let alone a championship series under any circumstances barring the presence of Wall and Beal drawing the interest of a superstar free agent in '14, '15 or '16. The franchise clearly seems cursed, especially when you realize that our inept GM is returning next year after 3 failed rebuilds.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I like Brown with our late 2nd CCJ. Guy has charisma, beyond that good size/length, NBA body & athleticism, defends, gets steals, rebounds, can score inside & out, nice 3-ball. Think he could have potential for us as a Beal backup & spark off the bench.

At our top pick I want PORTER. Otherwise, interest would be in Burke, Benett, Len, Olynyck, Robinson, Oladipo.

Our top 2nd rounder I like Muscala or Mcdermott, as well as Green, Hill, or if any of the other bigs drop (Withey, Zeller, Dieng, Cauley).

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I like Brown with our late 2nd CCJ. Guy has charisma, beyond that good size/length, NBA body & athleticism, defends, gets steals, rebounds, can score inside & out, nice 3-ball. Think he could have potential for us as a Beal backup & spark off the bench.

At our top pick I want PORTER. Otherwise, interest would be in Burke, Benett, Len, Olynyck, Robinson, Oladipo.

Our top 2nd rounder I like Muscala or Mcdermott, as well as Green, Hill, or if any of the other bigs drop (Withey, Zeller, Dieng, Cauley).