Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[mhd]

What about this simple deal: Wiz trade their 1st rounder for Chandler Parsons?

Parsons can be a stretch 4 in today's NBA. Rockets could take a much needed big with our pick.

[gambitx777]

NO! As solid as he is i would not give up a first for him. If we could get him for a player fine, but not a pick. We blew a pick not taking him in 2011, lets not just give away another pick trying to change the past.

[nate33]

What about this simple deal: Wiz trade their 1st rounder for Chandler Parsons?

Parsons can be a stretch 4 in today's NBA. Rockets could take a much needed big with our pick.

Chandler Parsons is built like a twig. He cannot play stretch four.

[LyricalRico]

Agree on both counts: not giving up our lottery pick for Parsons, and he's definitely a 3. But maybe if somebody really likes Booker, we can send Booker+2nd for a late first and then flip that for Parsons?

[willbcocks]

Why would Houston trade Parsons for a late first rounder? He's playing fantastic. If we're picking 10, I would definitely trade the pick for him, as he's a great fit next to Wall and it's very unlikely we'll get anyone better.

ETA: But I doubt Houston would even do that trade.

[LyricalRico]

Why would Houston trade Parsons for a late first rounder?

Didn't they do something similar with Budinger?

[payitforward]

Snippet from Marc Stein:

"Sources close to the situation say that one of Washington's motivations in trading Jordan Crawford for Leandro Barbosa's expiring contract -- despite the fact that Barbosa was already out for the season -- was creating a little extra financial flexibility to enhances the Wizards' chances of re-signing Martell Webster"

Marc Stein and/or his "sources close to the situation" may have flunked math.

I read somewhere that Marc Stein is thinking of giving up his bowling lessons to create some financial flexibility so that he can afford to take lessons on how the cap works.

[payitforward]

Why would Houston trade Parsons for a late first rounder?

Didn't they do something similar with Budinger?

...which they could do because they had Parsons.

[gambitx777]

I would not give them a pick for Parsons. I would rather just keep the pick, there is a lot of good talent in this draft that is being underrated. I would rather take a shot at james ennis in the second round.

I agree that we could and should probably try to take a combination of booker, kevin, jan, tomas, singleton, and emir and try to turn that in to a late to mid first, some teams might be trying to move out of the draft to save some cash and we might be able to take advantage of that.

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trade: Vesley+Seraphin+Singleton+2013 1st (right now 7th) for Ryan Anderson
NO trade: Vasquez+Anderson+1st rounder for Holliday+Vesley+Singelton+Philly 1st rounder (right now 11th)
Philly trades: Holliday for Seraphin+2013 1st rounder for Vasquez+NO 1st rounder (right now 6th)+Wiz first rounder (right now 7th)+Seraphin

Mock draft:
1) Bobcats-Noel
2) Magic-Mclemore
3) Cavs-Porter
4) Suns-Shabaaz
5) Detroit-Burke
6) Philly (from NO)-Len
7) Philly (from Wiz)-Oladipo
8) Min-Zeller
9) Kings-Smart
10) OKC-Bennett
11) NO (from Philly)-Olynik

NEW LINEUPS:
Wiz:
PG: Wall/Price
SG: Beal/Temple
SF: Webster/Ariza
PF: Nene/Anderson/Booker
C: Okafore/Nene

Philly:
PG: Vazquez/Ivey
SG: Turner/Oladipo
SF: Richardson/Wright
PF: Young/Moultrie
C: Hawes/Seraphin/Len

NO:
PG: Holliday/Rivers
SG: Gordon/Rivers
SF: Aminu/Singleton
PF: Davis/Smith
C: Lopez/Olynik

WHY FOR THE Wizards?
1) They need a stretch 4 in the worst way. Ryan Anderson fits that need like a glove.

WHY FOR THE 76ers?
1) They decide to tank for the Wiggins/Parker/Gordon/Harrison draft. With Holliday, they will be just good enough to not be amongst the worst teams in the NBA. They move up in the draft and get Len (a true 7'1 center who will need time) and Oladipo (who won't) as rookies who will go through the growing pains next year. Vasquez is a productive enough PG who can be resigned for a lot less than Holliday is making. They can trade Turner & Hawes to see what their value is, and S&T Bynum in the off-season to pick up more assets.

WHY FOR THE Pelicans?
1) They upgrade from Vasquez to Holliday who is signed longterm and just made the all-star team. Anderson has been great, but Davis' future is at PF. They can grab either a big like Olynik or a much needed SF for example.

[stevemcqueen1]

Snippet from Marc Stein:

"Sources close to the situation say that one of Washington's motivations in trading Jordan Crawford for Leandro Barbosa's expiring contract -- despite the fact that Barbosa was already out for the season -- was creating a little extra financial flexibility to enhances the Wizards' chances of re-signing Martell Webster"

Marc Stein and/or his "sources close to the situation" may have flunked math.

We don't really know what kind of budget the team is operating under and what their plans for the offseason are.

[blazinskillz]

I wish there was a way for us to get Iggy and ryan Anderson.
My dream lineup with realistic chances of maybe happening would be

Wall/ Andre Miller
Beal/Randy Foye
Iggy/Webster
Ryan Anderson/Seraphin
Al Jefferson/Perkins

That would be a top team in the league. Gonna try in in 2k13, be right back lol

[LyricalRico]

Why would Houston trade Parsons for a late first rounder?

Didn't they do something similar with Budinger?

...which they could do because they had Parsons.

True.

One other thought could be that having a late first on a cheap 4-year deal (assuming there's somebody the like at that point in the draft) might look better to them than having to pay Parsons in a year or two. We saw them clear cap to take a shot at Dwight Howard, even though he supposedly didn't want to sign there. Maybe they do something like that again, only this time looking more longterm? Although I guess they could wait and see if they do sign a max FA, and then look to deal Parsons over the next year.

Nevermind. LOL

[theboomking]

I wish there was a way for us to get Iggy and ryan Anderson.
My dream lineup with realistic chances of maybe happening would be

Wall/ Andre Miller
Beal/Randy Foye
Iggy/Webster
Ryan Anderson/Seraphin
Al Jefferson/Perkins

That would be a top team in the league. Gonna try in in 2k13, be right back lol

i saw on phr that Iggy wants to opt out of his 16 million dollar contract next year to sign a large long term contract. He is going to want a big contract, has a PER of less than 15 and has shot from 3 point range with less accuracy than John Wall this year.

I would like Ryan Anderson though.

[blazinskillz]

Yeah I wouldnt want him for more than 10million a year, i just think he's a good fit with Wall and Beal. Terrific defender and athlete.

[WizardsWorld]

Here's my latest.... Definitely think it has wings for all teams involved....


Wizards receive: Derrick Williams
Wizards trade: Jan Vesley, Chris Singleton, '13 1st(#10)
*** Love the idea of Williams on the Wiz and have wanted him with us since his draft night. He's a great fit with our young rising stars.

Wolves receive: Eric Gordon, Jan Vesley
Wolves trade: Derrick Williams, Luke Ridnour, Brandon Roy, '13 MEM 1st(#25)
*** Wolves upgrade their SG spot here and would sport a real nice starting lineup going into next year. Other deal had them giving up their lotto pick... here they keep their pick and trade Williams/Mem Pick/expirings.

Hornets receive: Luke Ridnour, Brandon Roy, Chris Singleton, '13 WAS 1st, '13 MEM 1st(via MIN)
Hornets trade: Eric Gordon
*** Hornets complete the rebuild here trading the injured and expensive Gordon for another lotto pick and a late 1st along with expirings. Could have a real nice young team with lots of cap room going into 2014.

[nate33]

Eric Gordon has nowhere near that kind of trade value given his contract and injury history.

I really didn't like lotto-pick-for-Derrick-Williams trades for most of the year, but now that were talking about a number 10 -12 pick, it looks more reasonable.

[fishercob]

Eric Gordon has nowhere near that kind of trade value given his contract and injury history.

I really didn't like lotto-pick-for-Derrick-Williams trades for most of the year, but now that were talking about a number 10 -12 pick, it looks more reasonable.

Here's a comparison of Derrick Williams v. Ilyasova this season.

Ilyasova blows Williams away in shooting efficiency across the board, passing, (and thus ORtg and PER) while being materially lower usage with a lower turnover rate.

The reasons to prefer Williams are that he's younger and thus has more room to grow and cheaper because he's still on his rookie deal.

The thing is he's not THAT cheap because he was the #2 pick -- the next two seasons he makes $5M and $6.3. And any savings generated over Ilyasova ($2.9M next year and $1.6M the year after) risks being blown away by whatever extension Williams signs.

Here is a comparison of Williams' and Ilyasova's second season in the league, which still clearly shows Ilyasova to have been/be the much better player.

Point being, if we trade our first round pick for a stretch 4, I would easily choose Ilyasova over Williams. Ilyasova is still plenty young and you know what you're getting; he's an excellent bet to be worth his contract or better for the next four seasons. Williams, while improving is still a stretch four who can't shoot well from deep, thereby defeating the purpose.

But if Milwaukee prefers Williams to our pick, I'd be all about a 3-way that netted us Ilyasova.

[nate33]

I agree fishercob. I'd take Ilyasova over Williams too. I'm not crazy about trading for Williams at all. I said it looked more reasonable then sending a top 5 pick, but I still don't think I'd pull the trigger.

Ilyasova strikes me as more of a specialist than Williams. He does two things really well: rebound and hit threes. On a team with John Wall, I'd take the highly proficient specialist who performs his specific role extremely well, rather than a more dynamic a versatile player like Williams who doesn't really do one thing at a particularly high level.

[hands11]

Iggy is an interesting target. He is one of those borderline star glue type players. In the right situation, he can be a very important piece on a team.

I figured he would have a hard time mixing in out there in Denver but I'm surprised he could walk from that money.

But for the Wizards, right now... not sure its good timing to add him.

What does he really add that they don't already have in Trevor A who is younger. He is a little more physical, a better ball handler and finishes with more dunks, but Trevor A is longer and a better 3 pt shooter. And when you add Webster to our two header SF position, you add some of that driving and dunking.

Its an interesting idea to work through but I'm not so sure I would commit the money to him right now. There are going to be a lot of opportunities for the Wizards over the next 2-4 years.

Right now, I would keep my power dry and look toward 2014 as the year to have cap space and more options.