Who is the worst General Manager in the league?

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Who is the worst General Manager in the league?

Bryan Colangelo
175
62%
John Hammond
20
7%
Billy King
25
9%
Geoff Petrie
9
3%
Ernie Grunfeld
16
6%
David Kahn
30
11%
Other
7
2%
 
Total votes: 282

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Post#1 » by Alfred » Mon Apr 1, 2013 3:58 pm

There are many General Managers that deserve to be called out for their ineptness at running an NBA team, although some are much worse than others. Feel free to vote and make your case for why the General Manager you chose is the worst in the league.

My pick is Bryan Colangelo. Let's run down some of the reasons why I think he's the worst:

-General Manager in a big market, with the richest ownership group in pro sports. Unlike some of the other GMs on this list, Colangelo can't cry poor, and has a huge market that is dying for a winner. Taxes can't even be used as an excuse, as Toronto is middle of the pack in terms of athletes paying taxes on their earnings.
-5 Straight years without playoffs (franchise record) with only 1 winning season in 7 years.
-Lost Bosh for nothing.
-Collects horrible contracts: Calderon's huge extension, Kapono for the MLE, Kleiza for near-MLE, Hedo Turkoglu's absurd contract, Landry Fields for ~20 million, Rudy Gay for the max, DeMar for 10 million a year, Bargnani for 10 million a year, etc.
-Bad trades. Picks and expirings for Jermaine O'Neal, O'Neal and a first rounder for an expiring Marion + Marcus Banks, and expiring + Ed Davis for Rudy Gay, a lottery pick for Kyle Lowry, etc.
-Bad picks. Bargnani, Terrence Ross over Drummond, never having a second round pick pan out.
-Bad coaching hires. Extending Sam Mitchell, who has never been rehired, Jay Triano, who coached one of the worst defensive teams of all time, Dwayne Casey, who has just been miserable.

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Post#2 » by hyper316 » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:03 pm

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Post#3 » by Profanity » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:04 pm

Alfred wrote:There are many General Managers that deserve to be called out for their ineptness at running an NBA team, although some are much worse than others. Feel free to vote and make your case for why the General Manager you chose is the worst in the league.

My pick is Bryan Colangelo. Let's run down some of the reasons why I think he's the worst:

-General Manager in a big market, with the richest ownership group in pro sports. Unlike some of the other GMs on this list, Colangelo can't cry poor, and has a huge market that is dying for a winner. Taxes can't even be used as an excuse, as Toronto is middle of the pack in terms of athletes paying taxes on their earnings.
-5 Straight years without playoffs (franchise record) with only 1 winning season in 7 years.
-Lost Bosh for nothing.
-Collects horrible contracts: Calderon's huge extension, Kapono for the MLE, Kleiza for near-MLE, Hedo Turkoglu's absurd contract, Landry Fields for ~20 million, Rudy Gay for the max, DeMar for 10 million a year, Bargnani for 10 million a year, etc.
-Bad trades. Picks and expirings for Jermaine O'Neal, O'Neal and a first rounder for an expiring Marion + Marcus Banks, and expiring + Ed Davis for Rudy Gay, a lottery pick for Kyle Lowry, etc.
-Bad picks. Bargnani, Terrence Ross over Drummond, never having a second round pick pan out.
-Bad coaching hires. Extending Sam Mitchell, who has never been rehired, Jay Triano, who coached one of the worst defensive teams of all time, Dwayne Casey, who has just been miserable.

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There is another reason you forgot to mention: you are a raptors fan.
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Post#4 » by Lord_Zedd » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:07 pm

Billy King may have the most atrocious salary situation but, at least his team has stars/all stars and is winning.

Grunfeld may have been fleeced by David Kahn but, at least he knows when to cut loose a "potential" player in Kwame Brown.

Petrie doesn't have the backings of the ownership

All in all, I really can't argue against one of the highest paid GM's. BC is easily the worst.
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Post#5 » by G R E Y » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:14 pm

Excellent thread.

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Post#6 » by C.lupus » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:18 pm

Kahn is bad but I wouldn't trade him for Colangelo so I guess that says something.
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Post#7 » by Hendrix » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:24 pm

I think it is easily Colangelo.

Out of the 100's of moves he's made since being here I've liked probably 5 moves. Drafting JV, Trading for Amir, attempting to trade for Chandler, drafting Ed Davis, and trading for Lowry. And, even with these 5 moves, the Chandler trade never happened, and he turned Davis into the worst contract in the NBA.

Every other move is all over the map. 100 shots per game up tempo, turned into a Euro ball experiment with Bargnani at C that was going to revolutionize the game. Then twin towers with JO and Bosh for half a season. Then lose Bosh for nothing, and flounder around. Then attempting a half ass rebuild for a few months. Then go into 'win now' mode with zero foundation of all stars. And every time he shifts gears he just spews assets all over the place, and collects contracts that are huge liabilities. I can't imagine how it could be any worse than this.

His intentions of putting making money over winning are glaring too, as are his intentions to make moves that will keep his job over making moves that are best for the organization. The guy wanted to bring in a 39 year old Steve Nash to be a Canadian circus show to bring in cash. It makes zero sense from a basketball pov to blow the bank on a 39 year old when you have the foundations of a 20-something win team. We clearly needed to rebuild, not put together a 40 win team that had a window of 2 years. Also, he goes after 'name' players that he can market for a bit like Gay, Turk, JO, Marion, that are absolutely brutal from a advanced stats POV. I'm not sure if he actually thinks these were 'great' players when he went after them (which means he can't evaluate talent at all) or if he didn't care that they sucked and just wanted a 'name' to market to fans to sell season tickets, or a 'name' he could give to ownership to help keep his job.

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Post#8 » by Alfred » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:28 pm

I'm surprised nobody has voted for Hammond yet. His team is making the playoffs, but he has made so many blunders over the years, not the least of which was him trading Tobias Harris for JJ Redick, who will expire at the end of the season.
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Post#9 » by AddiFB » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:32 pm

So refreshing to not see either "Otis Smith" or "Orlando", or both, in a thread like this.

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Post#10 » by Roger Murdock » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:40 pm

The thing about BC is that he's actually making moves that fit his vision for the team, but the style of basketball he wants to create doest work at all. Some GMs seem to strike out when it comes to making plays. BC can pull them off but everything he wants to do is so stupid and poorly thought out that he ends up making everything worse.
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Post#11 » by Zubby » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:42 pm

A guy in the running for worst GM is also the longest tenured GM.
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Post#12 » by VinBaker6 » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:43 pm

BC also builds dynasties... for other teams. BC basically created the Miami big three by trading JO and his monster expiring for a rental of Shawn Marion. Then goes and trades a lottery pick which ends up being re-routed to OKC; could be as high as the 4th pick in this years draft. BC is so generous.
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Post#13 » by Beardman » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:46 pm

The GM who will sign a guy to 5 yrs/50 mil then end up having to trade him the following off season.
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Post#14 » by Geddy » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:51 pm

Colangelo without a doubt. Even other bottom dwellers have some hope on the horizon but the Raptors look like they could only get worse.
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Post#15 » by Leolovinliberal » Mon Apr 1, 2013 4:57 pm

Bryan Colangelolololo/thread
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Post#16 » by mirrornick » Mon Apr 1, 2013 5:04 pm

Realgm is packed with Raptors fans, so we all know why BC will get the most votes.

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Post#17 » by Leolovinliberal » Mon Apr 1, 2013 5:13 pm

mirrornick wrote:Realgm is packed with Raptors fans, so we all know why BC will get the most votes.

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So, you don't think he deserves it?
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Post#18 » by Hassassin » Mon Apr 1, 2013 5:13 pm

It has to be Bryan Colangelo.
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Post#19 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Mon Apr 1, 2013 5:24 pm

Honorable mention for Hammond who traded Tobias for a JJ Redick rental. lol.
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Post#20 » by Marvin Martian » Mon Apr 1, 2013 5:28 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:Billy King may have the most atrocious salary situation but, at least his team has stars/all stars and is winning.


That is because he has more money to spend than BC. Remove that luxury and King ends up looking worse than BC. Trading a quality draft pick for a washed up Gerald Wallace is unforgivable and should go down as one of the worst trades ever.

Unlike BC, this guy had all the money and assets needed to build a contender and instead built a 2nd round treadmill squad full of 2nd tier superstars, no flexibility and no assets to get better.

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