Around the nba part 7

[GettinitDone]

He's improving, he still can't shoot.

Wasn't aware a season started in february.

When you shoot 41% from 3 the last 2 full months, I wouldn't describe him he can't shoot.

Nobody gets on Rondo although he never, even now, shoots 40+% from 3 in one month, let alone 2 months. Well, because he's elite in passing? Put the ball in Lin's hands like he did in Magic game, you get double-digit assists every single game.

The real reason he sucked the first two months of season was because he was adjusting to ball-hog (Harden). Lin is a rhythm, shoot off dribble type of player. They made him into a catch and shoot player... what to do? Adjust, it suffered his shooting, not to mention the knee, but he sucked it up, he did hell of a job to shoot 41% from 3 in last 2 months.

Barring a serious injury, I guarantee Lin is gonna be an All Star because he is dedicated to the game. He keeps learning and keeps adapting and keeps evolving his game. Remember:

"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change" - Darwin

He gon dominate. Be ready for Linsanity!

[K_ick_God]

It'd take a young Steve Nash (his first 4 years in the L) about 2-3 games to accumulate 19pts and 11assists. Around 10 games to accumulate 38pts, the total in a game Lin posted twice in his young career.

Rondo, Deron, Billups, in their first 100 games didn't touch that production. Not even close. Just saying you gotta realize the kid has just played his first 100 real games. Ready to give up on him?

I always believe he'll be a Knick again one day... Rockets are our talent farm. ^__^

I don't think Lin will ever be Nash, because his natural jumper and scoring ability are not as good, and he's probably not the passer that Nash is either.

But he is a pretty explosive scorer with a quick first step and strength, and on just overall BBIQ, Lin is really up there. He sees the floor very well and knows how to read defenses and play the game.

It's splitting hairs to talk about "pure PG" and it's letting labels dictate substance which makes no sense.

I don't know what you call Lin but he's definitely a leader and a point guard who can run an offense, get people easy looks, and he has intangible winning qualities. He knows how to get a win and how to impact a game. He has the "it factor" and he's still learning.

[Thugger HBC]

It'd take a young Steve Nash (his first 4 years in the L) about 2-3 games to accumulate 19pts and 11assists. Around 10 games to accumulate 38pts, the total in a game Lin posted twice in his young career.

Rondo, Deron, Billups, in their first 100 games didn't touch that production. Not even close. Just saying you gotta realize the kid has just played his first 100 real games. Ready to give up on him?

I always believe he'll be a Knick again one day... Rockets are our talent farm. ^__^

Who's given up on him? I stand by my 18/8 prediction.

I do love how folks point to Steve nash to compare Lin when they didn't see him play.

Nash came into the league as an elite shooter, came into the league over 30% from three, and has been his whole life.

did you at least watch him in college?

He came into the league as a backup with the likes of Sam Cassell, Kevin Johnson and Jason Kidd on the team at different points.

[Rasho Brezec]

Seriously? Rubio shoots 36% and that's WITH him avoiding as many jumpers as possible. He also cannot finish, something the other 2 are much better at.

edit: I understand he is shooting better, but not by much. He is a non threat, scoring-wise. He is that dude people sag off of.

Which just proves how superior of a PG he is to the other two, if he's able to shoot that bad and still create for his teammates far more. I'll take the guy who can enhance his teammates performance over the guy who enhances his own.

[GONYK]

It's scoring, not necessarily shooting, and Magic was a major scoring threat.

Thugger you haven't said a thing that contradicts what I'm saying to be honest.

You're saying PG's are not your primary scorers, and that shooting is overrated for a PG ... I never said anything about EITHER of those things really. You're just throwing out distractions.

I'm simply saying that you must be able to score the ball to be a good starter as a PG. Rubio's 2-11 is not irrelevant or besides the point ... lol ... it's a deal-breaker. You can't be a good player or even a starter if you are that bad offensively. Granted he's been better and he's not 2-11 bad ... but too many nights, he is a zero ... a negative ... offensively.

You are never a ZERO offensively when you can run an offense the way he does.

[Thugger HBC]

It's scoring, not necessarily shooting, and Magic was a major scoring threat.

Thugger you haven't said a thing that contradicts what I'm saying to be honest.

You're saying PG's are not your primary scorers, and that shooting is overrated for a PG ... I never said anything about EITHER of those things really. You're just throwing out distractions.

I'm simply saying that you must be able to score the ball to be a good starter as a PG. Rubio's 2-11 is not irrelevant or besides the point ... lol ... it's a deal-breaker. You can't be a good player or even a starter if you are that bad offensively. Granted he's been better and he's not 2-11 bad ... but too many nights, he is a zero ... a negative ... offensively.

You wouldn't find a soul that would take those two over Rubio as a pg.

That's all that matters, if you disagree as an admin make a thread anywhere on this board and I'll observe it and you as well, and see the responses.

[K_ick_God]

It's scoring, not necessarily shooting, and Magic was a major scoring threat.

Thugger you haven't said a thing that contradicts what I'm saying to be honest.

You're saying PG's are not your primary scorers, and that shooting is overrated for a PG ... I never said anything about EITHER of those things really. You're just throwing out distractions.

I'm simply saying that you must be able to score the ball to be a good starter as a PG. Rubio's 2-11 is not irrelevant or besides the point ... lol ... it's a deal-breaker. You can't be a good player or even a starter if you are that bad offensively. Granted he's been better and he's not 2-11 bad ... but too many nights, he is a zero ... a negative ... offensively.

You are never a ZERO offensively when you can run an offense the way he does.

He's a zero scoring the ball himself and you will never be able to be a good enough assist man to compensate for terrible scoring.

[K_ick_God]

It's scoring, not necessarily shooting, and Magic was a major scoring threat.

Thugger you haven't said a thing that contradicts what I'm saying to be honest.

You're saying PG's are not your primary scorers, and that shooting is overrated for a PG ... I never said anything about EITHER of those things really. You're just throwing out distractions.

I'm simply saying that you must be able to score the ball to be a good starter as a PG. Rubio's 2-11 is not irrelevant or besides the point ... lol ... it's a deal-breaker. You can't be a good player or even a starter if you are that bad offensively. Granted he's been better and he's not 2-11 bad ... but too many nights, he is a zero ... a negative ... offensively.

You wouldn't find a soul that would take those two over Rubio as a pg.

That's all that matters, if you disagree as an admin make a thread anywhere on this board and I'll observe it and you as well, and see the responses.

That's just a cop-out. The old "I'll just make a declarative and ridiculous statement" because I can't argue the substance or win on points.

"There isn't a rational person alive today who wouldn't tell you that Mitt Romney would have been a great president!"

There are a handful of people at least in this thread alone who would take Lin and Brandon over Rubio. So your point is so easily dismissed that it's a waste of time.

You can do better.

[Thugger HBC]

Rubio knows his limits, his game does involve scoring.

He'd rather set up his team mates and only shoot to keep teams honest.

As much as I like Lin and can't stand Jennings, neither actually run a team as a pg.

I dont know where the bar changed from but from history of watching the game and playing on a much lower level, scoring the basketball has always been the lower protion of what makes a pg solid.

Even a great like Magic couldn't shoot a lick, but he was never viewed as a liability on offense.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sma02.html

Because Magic wasn't? He was probably their best scoring threat depending on the season? A good PG must be a threat to score ( not nec. shoot). Being terrible allows a trickle down effect where his defender can sag off, and the next guy can double etc etc etc.

Magic wasn't a good shooter at all.

First we have to establish the difference between scoring and shooting, that seems to be where the odds are.

[Tron Carter]

GID is obviously trolling at this point.

Thugger, being a threat to score is a tremendous asset, something the other two have imo. Rubio, well, he is turning it around. I guess we'll see if it is sustainable. Personally, I doubt it.

at this point?

we figure out a way to have your highschool diploma be a pre-requisite if you're going to post here. i can't be scrolling through this thread to watch this kid post dragon ball z .gifs all day.

[frogfood]

Seriously? Rubio shoots 36% and that's WITH him avoiding as many jumpers as possible. He also cannot finish, something the other 2 are much better at.

edit: I understand he is shooting better, but not by much. He is a non threat, scoring-wise. He is that dude people sag off of.

Which just proves how superior of a PG he is to the other two, if he's able to shoot that bad and still create for his teammates far more. I'll take the guy who can enhance his teammates performance over the guy who enhances his own.

Those guys can dish it too. Let's not pretend like they're black holes with no court vision. I'm not denying Rubio isn't a better passer. But being atrocious at scoring has a huge negative effect you're overlooking.

[GettinitDone]

They dealt Nash to the Mavs, and he was the starter, and in his first 2 years in Dallas, he really sucked that mild-mannered Mavs fans booed him.

Point is: shooting 41% from 3 in 2 full months, which is more than 1/3 of a regular season, is more than just hot. Did you see his youtube summer workouts? All he did was Lin Lin Lin <Melo's voice>... I mean... shoot 3s. His legs look funny in the air, but his shooting mechanics are fine. He has rainbow arc which is a sign of a good shooter, than flat arc shooters who can get very inconsistent.

[Thugger HBC]

It's scoring, not necessarily shooting, and Magic was a major scoring threat.

Thugger you haven't said a thing that contradicts what I'm saying to be honest.

You're saying PG's are not your primary scorers, and that shooting is overrated for a PG ... I never said anything about EITHER of those things really. You're just throwing out distractions.

I'm simply saying that you must be able to score the ball to be a good starter as a PG. Rubio's 2-11 is not irrelevant or besides the point ... lol ... it's a deal-breaker. You can't be a good player or even a starter if you are that bad offensively. Granted he's been better and he's not 2-11 bad ... but too many nights, he is a zero ... a negative ... offensively.

You wouldn't find a soul that would take those two over Rubio as a pg.

That's all that matters, if you disagree as an admin make a thread anywhere on this board and I'll observe it and you as well, and see the responses.

That's just a cop-out. The old "I'll just make a declarative and ridiculous statement" because I can't argue the substance or win on points.

"There isn't a rational person alive today who wouldn't tell you that Mitt Romney would have been a great president!"

There are a handful of people at least in this thread alone who would take Lin and Brandon over Rubio. So your point is so easily dismissed that it's a waste of time.

You can do better.

Jennings is worse than Rubio offensively, but for some reason you love him.

Offense is the point you put up AND the points you create.

[Rasho Brezec]

There are a handful of people at least in this thread alone who would take Lin and Brandon over Rubio. So your point is so easily dismissed that it's a waste of time.

I only see you and that guy who only shows up when Lin has a good game. Everyone else knows Rubio is better.

[Thugger HBC]

They dealt Nash to the Mavs, and he was the starter, and in his first 2 years in Dallas, he really sucked that mild-mannered Mavs fans booed him.

Point is: shooting 41% from 3 in 2 full months, which is more than 1/3 of a regular season, is more than just hot. Did you see his youtube summer workouts? All he did was Lin Lin Lin <Melo's voice>... I mean... shoot 3s. His legs look funny in the air, but his shooting mechanics are fine. He has rainbow arc which is a sign of a good shooter, than flat arc shooters who can get very inconsistent.

Nash came into the league as an elite shooter.

Disput this point first.

[GONYK]

I can't think of anyone who is interested in winning that would take Jennings over Rubio

[Rasho Brezec]

Seriously? Rubio shoots 36% and that's WITH him avoiding as many jumpers as possible. He also cannot finish, something the other 2 are much better at.

edit: I understand he is shooting better, but not by much. He is a non threat, scoring-wise. He is that dude people sag off of.

Which just proves how superior of a PG he is to the other two, if he's able to shoot that bad and still create for his teammates far more. I'll take the guy who can enhance his teammates performance over the guy who enhances his own.

Those guys can dish it too. Let's not pretend like they're black holes with no court vision. I'm not denying Rubio isn't a better passer. But being atrocious at scoring has a huge negative effect you're overlooking.

And yet he's still top 5 in assists at the rim. Clearly the defenses respect him enough to focus on him and that's all that matters.

[K_ick_God]

Facts ... substance ... details ... arguments ...

When you run out of these it's ...

"Everybody knows I'm right!"

Stomps feet, walks out.

[K_ick_God]

I can't think of anyone who is interested in winning that would take Jennings over Rubio

That's true because the Wolves are in the playoffs and the Bucks are way out of it.

[frogfood]

Rubio knows his limits, his game does involve scoring.

He'd rather set up his team mates and only shoot to keep teams honest.

As much as I like Lin and can't stand Jennings, neither actually run a team as a pg.

I dont know where the bar changed from but from history of watching the game and playing on a much lower level, scoring the basketball has always been the lower protion of what makes a pg solid.

Even a great like Magic couldn't shoot a lick, but he was never viewed as a liability on offense.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sma02.html

Because Magic wasn't? He was probably their best scoring threat depending on the season? A good PG must be a threat to score ( not nec. shoot). Being terrible allows a trickle down effect where his defender can sag off, and the next guy can double etc etc etc.

Magic wasn't a good shooter at all.

First we have to establish the difference between scoring and shooting, that seems to be where the odds are.

Magic wasn't a great shooter but better than Rubio. And Magic was a fantastic scorer who scored at a excellent %. Rubio struggles at everything, scoring-wise. You don't think that's a huge negative?