Around the nba part 7

[Striders]

I can't think of anyone who is interested in winning that would take Jennings over Rubio

That's true because the Wolves are in the playoffs and the Bucks are way out of it.

It's funny how playing in the West vs. the East works, huh?

I think the Wolves issues are more injury related than anything.

[K_ick_God]

Running an offense IS the primary job of a PG. We agree on that. But you have to be competent as a scorer to make the primary job you do worthwhile to your team.

It's kind of like making kids take math and english even if they want to be doctors. You have to pass basic proficiency to be good at your primary occupation. He's an incompetent scorer. There are no examples of really good starters who were terrible / incompetent / added nothing in one major department.

If that were true, then Kidd wouldn't have had to work on his 3 ball. Even Avery Johnson, a reserve who worked extremely hard to make ANYTHING of his career (did not have NBA talent), had to become a decent shooter and scorer to be a contributor.

It's that famous side jumper at MSG that actually sealed a title for the Spurs. He didn't stick around in the NBA just because he was a smart player who knew how to get people good shots.

Avery's offense had to get up to par for him to be relevant, and that was only to be a bit player ... certainly not a major impact player.

You guys are talking as if Rubio will be a star in this league regardless of how crappy his O is.

[kakaman]

"Tonight, I was the point guard. I wasn't just a point guard on the team. I was kind of the point guard.

I seem to be allergic to 4th 1/4s these days so I didn't know what to expect. They told us to stay ready

J Lin taking shots at McHale...I wonder how this will end...one of them will have to go

[Rasho Brezec]

Wolves against East: .444%
Wolves against West: .326%

[j4remi]

I think the Wolves issues are more injury related than anything.

Yeah it's been rough for them. Pekovic has played 57 games, AK 55, Rubio 48 and Love 18. Ridnour has been their only starter to play all season.

[j4remi]

"Tonight, I was the point guard. I wasn't just a point guard on the team. I was kind of the point guard.

I seem to be allergic to 4th 1/4s these days so I didn't know what to expect. They told us to stay ready

J Lin taking shots at McHale...I wonder how this will end...one of them will have to go

If you go back to the original around the nba threads, I was saying Mchale would stunt Lin's growth and production from the preseason. Really disappointed in how he's handled Lin.

[Thugger HBC]

Running an offense IS the primary job of a PG. We agree on that. But you have to be competent as a scorer to make the primary job you do worthwhile to your team.

It's kind of like making kids take math and english even if they want to be doctors. You have to pass basic proficiency to be good at your primary occupation. He's an incompetent scorer. There are no examples of really good starters who were terrible / incompetent / added nothing in one major department.

If that were true, then Kidd wouldn't have had to work on his 3 ball. Even Avery Johnson, a reserve who worked extremely hard to make ANYTHING of his career (did not have NBA talent), had to become a decent shooter and scorer to be a contributor.

It's that famous side jumper at MSG that actually sealed a title for the Spurs. He didn't stick around in the NBA just because he was a smart player who knew how to get people good shots.

Avery's offense had to get up to par for him to be relevant, and that was only to be a bit player ... certainly not a major impact player.

You guys are talking as if Rubio will be a star in this league regardless of how crappy his O is.

Kidd and Avery have always been known as floor generals, they didn't have to score to be successful.

Running an offense is primary, and if you're that good at it, it eclipses alot of weaknesses which those guys and others such as Mark Jackson were able to do.

Kidd has always hopisted up alot of threes, he takes alot to make alot, his % is harldy great, but serviceable.

[Knicks_Fan2]

"Tonight, I was the point guard. I wasn't just a point guard on the team. I was kind of the point guard.

I seem to be allergic to 4th 1/4s these days so I didn't know what to expect. They told us to stay ready

J Lin taking shots at McHale...I wonder how this will end...one of them will have to go

If you go back to the original around the nba threads, I was saying Mchale would stunt Lin's growth and production from the preseason. Really disappointed in how he's handled Lin.

It wasn't McHale, it was Harden and it's understandable.

[Striders]

Running an offense IS the primary job of a PG. We agree on that. But you have to be competent as a scorer to make the primary job you do worthwhile to your team.

There's truth in this. That's why the Celtics have struggled so much on offense these last few years despite Pierce, Garnett and Ray being on the team. Rondo not developing a jump shot for so long allowed his man to cover the paint, making it harder for others to score.

Hence why they relied so much on screens and such.

Though I think Rubio's offense will improve. This is his first year back from that ACL injury, so I think he's been a bit more tentative than he would be otherwise.

[kakaman]

It wasn't McHale, it was Harden and it's understandable.

So Harden tells the team who handles the ball throughout the game. Harden tells Lin to sit down in the 4th and plays Beverley instead. Got it.

[Rasho Brezec]

He must see something flawed in Lin's play that we don't.

[Knicks_Fan2]

It wasn't McHale, it was Harden and it's understandable.

So Harden tells the team who handles the ball throughout the game. Harden tells Lin to sit down in the 4th and plays Beverley instead. Got it.

Harden will dominate the ball--he's the best player and he's fantastic at it. Any coach would have him do that. With respect to the latter, that is on McHale but I'm pretty certain it's (i) for defense--pls see the block Beverly had in the game against the Spurs and (ii) against the magic McHale had the bench in in a blowout.

[j4remi]

He must see something flawed in Lin's play that we don't.

Yeah...I've never been a fan of his coaching, so I don't give him much benefit, but I think it's clear that he's picked out certain weaknesses to a point where I've seen him put TD and Beverly in key moments over Lin. Defense and jumper are my guesses, but even when Lin's on the court he doesn't get enough touches imo.

[kakaman]

It wasn't McHale, it was Harden and it's understandable.

So Harden tells the team who handles the ball throughout the game. Harden tells Lin to sit down in the 4th and plays Beverley instead. Got it.

Harden will dominate the ball--he's the best player and he's fantastic at it. Any coach would have him do that. With respect to the latter, that is on McHale but I'm pretty certain it's (i) for defense--pls see the block Beverly had in the game against the Spurs and (ii) against the magic McHale had the bench in in a blowout.

It doesn't make sense for Harden to dominate the ball because he's a better spot up shooter than Lin is. Of all the teams in the NBA, the only ones where the PG does not run the offense are:

Houston: widely seen as a mistake, but Harden is a gifted scorer, so while not the most ideal situation, it's workable
Miami: LBJ, nuff said
LA: Jury is still out. I think Nash should run the offense, but hey, Kobe does what he wants

NY had the whole point forward experiment, we all know how that went

Also to the defense point, in almost every advanced metric Lin is a better defender. He's a bigger body, he plugs holes better, he's a better iso and team defender. He gambles a lot, which he needs to get better at, but it seems to be more of a team strategy than anything. Beverley is a better "eye test" defender, he can swing his arms wildly and try to make big plays, but he's really average defensively with limited offensive capabilities. Reminds me of Toney Douglas actually...

[K_ick_God]

Kidd and Avery have always been known as floor generals, they didn't have to score to be successful.

This is mostly false.

Anyway, it's particularly strange to make this argument and to say Felton is better for the Knicks than Lin. Lin sees the court better than Felton and would fit the definition of a pure PG much more than Felton does. So there are also problems of you guys contradicting yourselves.

[K_ick_God]

He must see something flawed in Lin's play that we don't.

Yeah, he sees flaws that even the scoreboard doesn't see. The Rockets' lead of about 15 evaporated with Lin out, and the Magic got to within 5 in the closing seconds.

Lin +21
Beverley -12

I'm sure there's an advanced stat that shows me that Beverley really was awesome last night and Lin was horrible.

This conversation has gone into the realm of theater of the absurd.

[GONYK]

Kidd and Avery have always been known as floor generals, they didn't have to score to be successful.

This is mostly false.

Anyway, it's particularly strange to make this argument and to say Felton is better for the Knicks than Lin. Lin sees the court better than Felton and would fit the definition of a pure PG much more than Felton does. So there are also problems of you guys contradicting yourselves.

Lin needs to dominate the ball to be effective.

That won't happen here.

[Thugger HBC]

Kidd and Avery have always been known as floor generals, they didn't have to score to be successful.

This is mostly false.

Anyway, it's particularly strange to make this argument and to say Felton is better for the Knicks than Lin. Lin sees the court better than Felton and would fit the definition of a pure PG much more than Felton does. So there are also problems of you guys contradicting yourselves.

I'm seriously done trying to compare Lin to current Knicks in a thread not designed as such.

This poutfest is beyond old, and no side gonna bend anyway.

And my statement is entirely true of Kidd and Avery.

if you dispute, provide proof.

[kakaman]

Kidd and Avery have always been known as floor generals, they didn't have to score to be successful.

This is mostly false.

Anyway, it's particularly strange to make this argument and to say Felton is better for the Knicks than Lin. Lin sees the court better than Felton and would fit the definition of a pure PG much more than Felton does. So there are also problems of you guys contradicting yourselves.

Lin needs to dominate the ball to be effective.

That won't happen here.

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night. I guess dominating the ball means not standing in the corner to shoot a 3. The funny thing is, I'm expecting Lin to be like Mike Conley, except the coaching staff doesn't even trust him to do that. Ironically, Conley was considered a bust when he got drafted, but the team trusted in him that now he's developed into a really solid PG.

[Rasho Brezec]

Do I need to show Kidd and Rubio's rookie seasons again?