Around the nba part 7

[frogfood]

And you just proved how great of a PG he is.

Because I showed you how he is literally the most inefficient scorer at the PG position it proves he is a great PG?

Good assist #s don't mean you're a good player. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

[j4remi]

Do I need to show Kidd and Rubio's rookie seasons again?

You mean the season he where he was trash despite winning ROY?

Green font like crazy.

[K_ick_God]

Kidd and Avery have always been known as floor generals, they didn't have to score to be successful.

This is mostly false.

Anyway, it's particularly strange to make this argument and to say Felton is better for the Knicks than Lin. Lin sees the court better than Felton and would fit the definition of a pure PG much more than Felton does. So there are also problems of you guys contradicting yourselves.

I'm seriously done trying to compare Lin to current Knicks in a thread not designed as such.

This poutfest is beyond old, and no side gonna bend anyway.

And my statement is entirely true of Kidd and Avery.

if you dispute, provide proof.

Kidd averaged between 14.4 and 18.7 PPG in the several prime years of his career. What you're saying, I guess, is ... Even if Kidd averaged 10.4 PPG, he would be just as effective as he was as a PG? Of course that's not true.

Anyway (that's like my fifth Anyway), you must have the disparity in importance for a PG between playmaker and scorer much wider than it really is, I can only imagine. It's not like 95% playmaking and 5% scoring for PG's. It's something much more like 60-40. And even then, you can't do the 60% well if you're not a threat to score.

And again, if you do have that disparity so wide, then you would automatically think Lin is the better player than Felton 100 times out of 100. If you told both players they couldn't shoot a singe shot under any circumstances, and roll the ball out there, Lin would be far more likely to impact the game than Felton. So I really don't see your point.

[Rasho Brezec]

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night.

His usage rate was 27.5 last night. That's good enough for top 20 usage rates in the NBA. If that's not ball dominant I don't know what is.

[GONYK]

This is mostly false.

Anyway, it's particularly strange to make this argument and to say Felton is better for the Knicks than Lin. Lin sees the court better than Felton and would fit the definition of a pure PG much more than Felton does. So there are also problems of you guys contradicting yourselves.

Lin needs to dominate the ball to be effective.

That won't happen here.

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night. I guess dominating the ball means not standing in the corner to shoot a 3. The funny thing is, I'm expecting Lin to be like Mike Conley, except the coaching staff doesn't even trust him to do that. Ironically, Conley was considered a bust when he got drafted, but the team trusted in him that now he's developed into a really solid PG.

He had by far the highest usage rate last night, so yes, he dominated the ball

[K_ick_God]

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night.

His usage rate was 27.5 last night. That's good enough for top 20 usage rates in the NBA. If that's not ball dominant I don't know what is.

Ball dominance is one of the defining features of the top playmakers and "real" PG's.

He dominates the ball and gets people good looks. He did that last night. The Rockets all got into the mix and on the board. That's good right?

[Thugger HBC]

KG, Kidd averaged alot when he shot alot....he wasn't efficient at it at all.

His strength has always been playmaking first, rebounding second, defense third.

Offense wasn't even on the pecking order, his points always reflected how many shots he took.

Take 10 shots score 10 points...inefficient.

[GONYK]

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night.

His usage rate was 27.5 last night. That's good enough for top 20 usage rates in the NBA. If that's not ball dominant I don't know what is.

Ball dominance is one of the defining features of the top playmakers and "real" PG's.

He dominates the ball and gets people good looks. He did that last night. The Rockets all got into the mix and on the board. That's good right?

Aaaaand we've finally reached the inevitable place where bringing Jeremy Lin up in comparison to the Knicks leads.

Everyone and their mother knows we aren't going to run our offense through Jeremy Lin with Melo on the team.

Lin was not going to be our leader, and he was never going to become our Rondo. He was never going to be the player that all the others followed into battle. This is Melo's team, for better or worse.

[Thugger HBC]

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night.

His usage rate was 27.5 last night. That's good enough for top 20 usage rates in the NBA. If that's not ball dominant I don't know what is.

Ball dominance is one of the defining features of the top playmakers and "real" PG's.

He dominates the ball and gets people good looks. He did that last night. The Rockets all got into the mix and on the board. That's good right?

KG, you do realize the Rockets shot rather poor overall right?

The boxscore wont reflect that, watching the game would.

[K_ick_God]

KG, you do realize the Rockets shot rather poor overall right?

The boxscore wont reflect that, watching the game would.

44.9%. That's not bad.

[Rasho Brezec]

He dominates the ball so much that 6 players were in double figures last night.

His usage rate was 27.5 last night. That's good enough for top 20 usage rates in the NBA. If that's not ball dominant I don't know what is.

Ball dominance is one of the defining features of the top playmakers and "real" PG's.

He dominates the ball and gets people good looks. He did that last night. The Rockets all got into the mix and on the board. That's good right?

Top playmakers USG

Chris Paul: 22.43
Rajon Rondo: 21.79
Andre Miller: 17.84
Ricky Rubio: 20.43
Steve Nash: 17.61

Scoring PG's USG:

Russel Westbrook: 32.31
Kyrie Irving: 29.80
Tony Parker: 28.12
John Wall: 28.01
Jrue Holiday: 26.49

[Thugger HBC]

KG, you do realize the Rockets shot rather poor overall right?

The boxscore wont reflect that, watching the game would.

44.9%. That's not bad.

below league average, it is bad.

league average is .453.

[ibraheim718]

I'm taking Lin over Rubio and I love Rubio as much if not more than anyone on here... Lin just does more for me on the basketball floor especially if he's given room to breathe and not micromanaged by his coach... I can ask him to score... Take late game shots..get his teammates involved... Help on the glass...he's a more physical player..he gets to the line.. I don't even have to think hard about it honestly.

[K_ick_God]

Top playmakers USG

Chris Paul: 22.43
Rajon Rondo: 21.79
Andre Miller: 17.84
Ricky Rubio: 20.43
Steve Nash: 17.61

Scoring PG's USG:

Russel Westbrook: 32.31
Kyrie Irving: 29.80
Tony Parker: 28.12
John Wall: 28.01
Jrue Holiday: 26.49

It's one game -- maybe USG rate isn't that relevant in one game? maybe it doesn't track to pure PG play. The above would indicate as much. I don't know that much about advanced stats but 19 and 11 and your team up 15 ... I'll take it.

Lin plays like a very nice combination of pure PG and scoring threat. He is arguably the best young PG in the league who has both in pretty equal measure AND who can see the court as well as he does.

I'll take it.

You guys are stirring the ashes. Lin has been up & down but it's clear that Linsanity was no fluke. He's good. That's the bottom line.

No advanced stats can tell you that Lin is not for real because he is.

[K_ick_God]

I'm taking Lin over Rubio and I love Rubio as much if not more than anyone on here... Lin just does more for me on the basketball floor especially if he's given room to breathe and not micromanaged by his coach... I can ask him to score... Take late game shots..get his teammates involved... Help on the glass...he's a more physical player..he gets to the line.. I don't even have to think hard about it honestly.

This post cannot possibly be real because no soul would take Lin over Rubio ... and certainly not a guy who loves PG play as much as Ibraheim does.

I think we now have a majority: Lin > Rubio.

[frogfood]

I'm taking Lin over Rubio and I love Rubio as much if not more than anyone on here... Lin just does more for me on the basketball floor especially if he's given room to breathe and not micromanaged by his coach... I can ask him to score... Take late game shots..get his teammates involved... Help on the glass...he's a more physical player..he gets to the line.. I don't even have to think hard about it honestly.

More I think about it, the more I'm inclined to change my answer to this, not that it matters since it's negligible. I love watching both play and frankly, I prefer to watch exciting ball than winning ball at times.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm taking Lin over Rubio and I love Rubio as much if not more than anyone on here... Lin just does more for me on the basketball floor especially if he's given room to breathe and not micromanaged by his coach... I can ask him to score... Take late game shots..get his teammates involved... Help on the glass...he's a more physical player..he gets to the line.. I don't even have to think hard about it honestly.

More I think about it, the more I'm inclined to change my answer to this, not that it matters since it's negligible. I love watching both play and frankly, I prefer to watch exciting ball than winning ball at times.

You know i wanna ask.

[Knicks_Fan2]

I would lean toward Rubio but need to see him with a healthy team before making that choice--tht team got it the worst this year in terms of injuries.

[frogfood]

Haha Thugger, don't even my man. It ain't like that.

I would lean toward Rubio but need to see him with a healthy team before making that choice--tht team got it the worst this year in terms of injuries.

Truth

[Thugger HBC]

i think both players fit both categories, i didn't say that though.