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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#161 » by nate33 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:54 am

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tontoz wrote:Wall put on a clinic but if it wasn't for Price dropping 13 in 19 minutes they lose that game.


Wittman went small and matched Hinrich and Robinson with Price and Wall. Randy stuck with Price over Beal down the stretch.

Just remember this the next time someone complains about rotations. Wittman went by his feel for the game and took out the better player (Beal) in favor of Price. It worked so he looks like a genius. If Price missed those last 2 threes, half the board would be screaming about Wittman's horrible rotations. Coaching isn't easy.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#162 » by pineappleheadindc » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:58 am

Beal just said in post game interview that his ankle was really hurting and that he wasn't sure he'd play tomorrow in Toronto.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#163 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:03 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:Temples inability to hit open shots is maddening.


He shot .439FG and .429 FG3 for March
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Post#164 » by RustyMagoo » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:08 am

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RustyMagoo wrote:Someone's gonna mess around and get a triple double!


Nah, the Lakers would also beat the Supersonics/Thunder if that were true.. 8-)


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Post#165 » by GhostsOfGil » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:12 am

hands11 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Temples inability to hit open shots is maddening.


He shot .439FG and .429 FG3 for March


I meant tonight but on second glance he wasn't that bad. Only took 2 shots and missed one.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#166 » by fishercob » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:19 am

Really fun game to attend -- extremely physical and competitive throughout. Not sure if it has been mentioned, but I think Brad re-injured his ankle -- he came up lame sometime in the 3Q.

Satisfying win. Chicago's defense is tremendous.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#167 » by nate33 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:19 am

hands11 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Temples inability to hit open shots is maddening.


He shot .439FG and .429 FG3 for March

That's really not very good given his anemic usage rate of just 12.9%. He has the luxury of only shooting when absolutely wide open, and he even turns many of those shots down.

I like Temple abecause he is versatile, he doesn't make mistakes, and he can be used as a defensive stopper in certain matchups, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's a rotation player. He should be our 5th guard.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#168 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:19 am

nate33 wrote:We could use a guy like Nate Robinson off our bench.


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... With-Bulls

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But we still might want to get Pierre Jackson
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#169 » by Ed Wood » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:29 am

One of the somewhat hidden benefits of being good at defense for a change is that when another solid defensive team begins to put the clamps on at the end of a game the wheels no longer fall off so entirely and instead of major momentum shifts we just get a lot of flailing all around, which is not so bad if we're already ahead anyway.
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Post#170 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:32 am

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Temples inability to hit open shots is maddening.


He shot .439FG and .429 FG3 for March

That's really not very good given his anemic usage rate of just 12.9%. He has the luxury of only shooting when absolutely wide open, and he even turns many of those shots down.

I like Temple abecause he is versatile, he doesn't make mistakes, and he can be used as a defensive stopper in certain matchups, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's a rotation player. He should be our 5th guard.


Youre changing the topic Nate.

It was about him hitting shots. He hits on a good clip on the ones he takes. All I did was post the actual #s.

Its wasn't about his usage and how hard the shots are or if he is a rotation player.
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Post#171 » by nate33 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:39 am

hands11 wrote:Youre changing the topic Nate.

It was about him hitting shots. He hits on a good clip on the ones he takes. All I did was post the actual #s.

Its wasn't about his usage and how hard the shots are or if he is a rotation player.

I think his usage rate is an issue though. A better player would take and make some of the shots that Temple is turning down. It allows opposing defenses to cheat off of him a bit.

Also, sorry if I came across as if I was accusing you specifically of labeling Temple a quality player. I was just putting it out there since it came up. Temple is a limited player. A likeable and useful player, but limited. The sooner we find some guards to push him down a notch or two in the rotation, the better off we will be.
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Post#172 » by dangermouse » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:58 am

I like Temple for his defense. Thats about it. He's just average or below at everything else.
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Post#173 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:02 am

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:Youre changing the topic Nate.

It was about him hitting shots. He hits on a good clip on the ones he takes. All I did was post the actual #s.

Its wasn't about his usage and how hard the shots are or if he is a rotation player.

I think his usage rate is an issue though. A better player would take and make some of the shots that Temple is turning down. It allows opposing defenses to cheat off of him a bit.

Also, sorry if I came across as if I was accusing you specifically of labeling Temple a quality player. I was just putting it out there since it came up. Temple is a limited player. A likeable and useful player, but limited. The sooner we find some guards to push him down a notch or two in the rotation, the better off we will be.

not sure why you have to apologize...43% shooting isn't exactly great and we all know he's a bricklayer...good man defender though
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#174 » by montestewart » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:09 am

dangermouse wrote:I like Temple for his defense. Thats about it. He's just average or below at everything else.

Yeah, but I still like him more than JC.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#175 » by montestewart » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:11 am

hands11 wrote:EG designed a failed team again that will go no where.

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Post#176 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:56 am

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:Youre changing the topic Nate.

It was about him hitting shots. He hits on a good clip on the ones he takes. All I did was post the actual #s.

Its wasn't about his usage and how hard the shots are or if he is a rotation player.

I think his usage rate is an issue though. A better player would take and make some of the shots that Temple is turning down. It allows opposing defenses to cheat off of him a bit.

Also, sorry if I came across as if I was accusing you specifically of labeling Temple a quality player. I was just putting it out there since it came up. Temple is a limited player. A likeable and useful player, but limited. The sooner we find some guards to push him down a notch or two in the rotation, the better off we will be.


LOL

All good points Nate. Its just a lot more then my original post was addressing. :wink:
Actually, now that we are on that topic, Temple has stepped up more lately making tougher shots. Specially when Beal was out. They were not all wide open Mike Miller... does everything look perfect... shots.

That aside, I like Temple and I hope they have a roster spot for him. I like what he adds with his length and D as a guard. Kind of a poor mans Trevor A as a PF/SG instead of a SF

Danny, you say 43% isn't great. True. But its actually .439% which is basically 44% that I posted and that doesn't suck. Nor does .429 from 3 for March.
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Re: GT #74: Bulls @ Wizards 7 PM CSN 

Post#177 » by AFM » Wed Apr 3, 2013 4:23 am

hands11 wrote:You say 43% isn't great. True. But its actually .439% which is basically 44% that I posted and that doesn't suck.

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Post#178 » by pancakes3 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 5:03 am

nate33 wrote:I like Temple because he is versatile, he doesn't make mistakes, and he can be used as a defensive stopper in certain matchups, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's a rotation player. He should be our 5th guard.


A versatile, smart, defense-playing 44% shooter can absolutely play sg for the wizards. With Wall/Beal as the backcourt, we don't need a Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford level talent coming off the bench. I think with Wall/Beal/Price/Temple, the 5th guard would be Santoranksy or whatever 2nd-rounder/camp invite player we can find. Temple is a rare d-league keeper imo. I think given a shot, he can improve his range nicely and be counted on for 15ish minutes of solid backup basketball next season (and beyond).
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Post#179 » by Jimmy Recard » Wed Apr 3, 2013 6:08 am

pancakes3 wrote:
nate33 wrote:I like Temple because he is versatile, he doesn't make mistakes, and he can be used as a defensive stopper in certain matchups, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's a rotation player. He should be our 5th guard.


A versatile, smart, defense-playing 44% shooter can absolutely play sg for the wizards. With Wall/Beal as the backcourt, we don't need a Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford level talent coming off the bench. I think with Wall/Beal/Price/Temple, the 5th guard would be Santoranksy or whatever 2nd-rounder/camp invite player we can find. Temple is a rare d-league keeper imo. I think given a shot, he can improve his range nicely and be counted on for 15ish minutes of solid backup basketball next season (and beyond).

I hope we retain both Price and Temple. They're both high iq guys who play to their strengths and know their limitations. But they're exposed if/when one of Beal or Wall go down for an extended period, and they're asked to provide more play making and shot-creating. Price is a solid back up pg who can get hot from deep and Temple is a solid man defender, but lets be honest, these guys would barely get minutes for a genuine playoff team. I think our frontcourt is fine, but we desperately need to pick up a play-making combo guard in the off-season to strengthen the backcourt.
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Post#180 » by Dat2U » Wed Apr 3, 2013 7:51 am

pancakes3 wrote:
nate33 wrote:I like Temple because he is versatile, he doesn't make mistakes, and he can be used as a defensive stopper in certain matchups, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's a rotation player. He should be our 5th guard.


A versatile, smart, defense-playing 44% shooter can absolutely play sg for the wizards. With Wall/Beal as the backcourt, we don't need a Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford level talent coming off the bench. I think with Wall/Beal/Price/Temple, the 5th guard would be Santoranksy or whatever 2nd-rounder/camp invite player we can find. Temple is a rare d-league keeper imo. I think given a shot, he can improve his range nicely and be counted on for 15ish minutes of solid backup basketball next season (and beyond).


I couldn't disagree more. Temple is a replacement level player. He's done a commendable job but he brings nothing to the table that you can't find out on the street for cheap.

We need quality depth. I don't think you can categorize Price or Temple as quality depth. Price has been OK as a stopgap but in terms of backup PGs, but you can do a lot better. There are some nights where you can't depend on Price or Temple to provide anything. Some nights, Price is overwhelmed at backup and our offense looks terrible.

Instead of replacing both Price & Temple, I'd suggest finding one good 3rd guard or combo guard that can fill a role as lead guard or scoring guard when Wall or Beal needs are breather & can step into a bigger role if either are out. One of the things that killed us in our 5-28 beginning was the fact that A.J. Price couldn't get the job done when Wall was out.

Another thing to keep in mind is the Beal is a bit reckless out there and has shown no ability to stay on the floor just yet. Getting quality depth to protect us against injury just seems like a no-brainer after what we've gone through this year.

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