Pat Tabler

The_Hater · Post #1 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 11:37 pm

What do people think of him as the colour guy?

I've always found him bland, monotone and uninformative. I know they've brought in Rance Mulliniks and Darren Fletcher on occasion over the years and I always enjoyed both of them far more than Tabler. But maybe that's just because I was dying to hear anybody else.

MGD24 · Post #2 » by **MGD24** » Wed Apr 3, 2013 11:49 pm

The_Hater wrote:What do people think of him as the colour guy?

I've always found him bland, monotone and uninformative. I know they've brought in Rance Mulliniks and Darren Fletcher on occasion over the years and I always enjoyed both of them far more than Tabler. But maybe that's just because I was dying to hear anybody else.

If Rance was calling the game with Buck, I would never turn the sound on again.
Absolutely awful.
At least with Tabler you can tune out his monotone voice and just watch. Rance is irritating and his voice is grating.

TorontoRaptures · Post #3 » by **TorontoRaptures** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 12:10 am

Tabler seems like a nice guy but hie rarely says anything of substance...

Redeemer · Post #4 » by **Redeemer** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 1:05 am

TorontoRaptures wrote:Tabler seems like a nice guy but hie rarely says anything of substance...

he's the leo rautins of the jays. he's put in work since 95 so don't expect him to leave till he leaves.

rarefind · Post #5 » by **rarefind** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 1:26 am

Bring back Darrin Fletcher.

J-Roc · Post #6 » by **J-Roc** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 1:38 am

Any thoughts on Jack Morris? I heard him yesterday talking about RA Dickey winning the Cy. How other pitchers had great seasons...Gio Gonzalez and Clayton Kershaw. Jack then goes on to say how those guys had great seasons, but there was no doubt Dickey was the winner. I personally didn't follow the NL Cy race, so I was looking forward to hearing about whatever stats meant Dickey was no doubt the winner.

Jack Morris goes on to explain how Dickey was such a great story, doing what he's done, so late in his career, and how those other guys have plenty of time to win. lol So if that's what Jack Morris is bringing to the table...sigh

J-Roc · Post #7 » by **J-Roc** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 2:01 am

If anyone is watching the Cleveland broadcast, these guys are pretty good. Not at all playing homer like we're used to. Just calling the game and excited about plays on both sides.

Post #8 » by **spykelee** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 2:01 am

I don't mind Tabler. As has been mentioned, he provides no real substance in what he says, but he's smooth, polished and understands his role... From a broadcasting perspective, he does a good job. I do wish he could provide more insight though.

Rance on the other hand has terrific insight, probably the best ever seen around these parts, but he has an awful voice and no ability to be a broadcaster... i.e. he cuts people off, he rambles on, he says awkward things at times...

Fletch was an okay mix between the two, but for whatever reason, he didn't really appeal to me. Too much catcher perspective and not enough on the rest of the game maybe? i don't know, but he was too bland for my liking...

Redeemer · Post #9 » by **Redeemer** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 2:11 am

J-Roc wrote:If anyone is watching the Cleveland broadcast, these guys are pretty good. Not at all playing homer like we're used to. Just calling the game and excited about plays on both sides.

thats because the team and the network dont have the same owners.

bombs away

Post #10 » by **Harry Palmer** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 4:43 am

I want Buck and Dan back together.

Tabler's meh. Decent, I guess. One issue is he and Buck have pretty similar takes/personalities. They seem to get along, but the chemistry doesn't play out as entertainment. They are both knowledgeable, but come at the game from exactly the same angle. So when one asks the other a question, there's no real spark of interest, because they both know pretty much the same things. The conversation today about where Tabler stood in the box was the first one in a while where it seemed that one guy was telling the other something he didn't already know.

My take, anyways.

Post #11 » by **Schad** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 4:52 am

rarefind wrote:Bring back Darrin Fletcher.

The part where the game 'drags', and where a colour guy can be invaluable, is between pitches; because Fletch is so good at breaking down the tactical elements of pitch-calling (and identifying the on-day strengths and weaknesses of pitchers) he really adds something that the others do not; it's accessible for more casual fans who see mostly 'get ball, throw ball', and it fleshes things out for us armchair managers who know just enough to second-guess those decisions. I'd love him as a full-time colour guy.

tiger7 · Post #12 » by **tiger7** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 4:54 am

I don't mind Tabler what I do mind is Buck screwing up multiple calls every single game. Or the Leo/Rod black combo of Zaun and Campbell. Just awful.

MikeM · Post #13 » by **MikeM** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:13 am

I like Tabler because he's so monotone and consistent with his timing that he's literally the easiest person to tune out that I've ever encountered. He's like a video game commentator. You know what he's going to say before he says it.

I cannot remember a word he said tonight.

Mohanad · Post #14 » by **Mohanad** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:43 am

Just pay Dan Shulman double what ESPN is giving him.

Wo1verine · Post #15 » by **Wo1verine** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 6:11 am

Mohanad wrote:Just pay Dan Shulman double what ESPN is giving him.

Exactly! Problem solved

Randle McMurphy · Post #16 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 7:07 am

MikeM wrote:I like Tabler because he's so monotone and consistent with his timing that he's literally the easiest person to tune out that I've ever encountered. He's like a video game commentator. You know what he's going to say before he says it.

I cannot remember a word he said tonight.

You're right. I watched that entire game and I can't remember anything that came out of his mouth. Sometimes if one of them says something really stupid, I perk up and notice it, but other than that it's a complete tune out.

J-Roc · Post #17 » by **J-Roc** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 11:13 am

Hey weI learned Pat Tabler stood way back in the batters box, so he had more time to see the pitch.

The_Hater · Post #18 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 5:06 pm

J-Roc wrote:Hey weI learned Pat Tabler stood way back in the batters box, so he had more time to see the pitch.

And yet he still swung at everything during his career. Amazing.

TorontoRaptures · Post #19 » by **TorontoRaptures** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 6:24 pm

The_Hater wrote:
J-Roc wrote:Hey weI learned Pat Tabler stood way back in the batters box, so he had more time to see the pitch.

And yet he still swung at everything during his career. Amazing.

We mainly remember Tabler for his crappy years at the very end of his career, but he actually was a better player than most here probably realize. He had a career OBP of .345 and didn't strike out all that much, so it's hard to imagine him swinging at everything. He even made an all star game (although not a dominating season by any stretch). His biggest weakness as a hitter was certainly a total lack of power. Career SLG% of .379 and only 47 HRs in 3911 ABs.

The craziest stat of all is that he started 31 games at 2B in his career. Imagining Tabler at 2B is just odd....

One other thing that I didn't notice on his stat page, but I seem to remember, is him having pretty insane clutch numbers. I think he has one of the best numbers with bases loaded ever. Wish Buck would hype that up a bit for him.

The_Hater · Post #20 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Apr 4, 2013 7:03 pm

TorontoRaptures wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
J-Roc wrote:Hey weI learned Pat Tabler stood way back in the batters box, so he had more time to see the pitch.

And yet he still swung at everything during his career. Amazing.

We mainly remember Tabler for his crappy years at the very end of his career, but he actually was a better player than most here probably realize. He had a career OBP of .345 and didn't strike out all that much, so it's hard to imagine him swinging at everything.

My comment was more about the fact that he had a very low walk rate throughout his career.

I think Tabler is one of those players that was a very good contact hitter so during the pre-analytical era he looked better than he actually was to GM's and managers. But with no power, no speed and a poor BB rate out of an offensive position like 1B would leave you stuck in the minors in this day and age. Had his glove been able to keep in in the middle infield then I would probably agree with your assessment.