Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time

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Re: Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time 

Post#121 » by Cammo101 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 9:38 pm

REDDzone wrote:I know I'm usually the guy who advocates guys not cutting so much weight, but I still think Mousasi should be at middleweight. Look at that picture. He wouldn't be big at all at mw. On the flip side, he'd look two weight classes smaller than Rampage or Texeira or someone.


100% agree. Mousasi will never reach his true potential at 205.
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Post#122 » by Cammo101 » Fri Apr 5, 2013 9:45 pm

#49 - Ken Shamrock

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One of the first true stars of MMA, Ken Shamrock was a staple of the UFC, Pride, and Pancrase. Shamrock has a career record of 28-15-2, but many of those losses are because he hung around well past his prime. He holds career victories over Dan Severn, Bas Rutten twice, Masakatsu Funaki twice, Pat Smith, and Maurice Smith.
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Post#123 » by spykelee » Sat Apr 6, 2013 4:08 am

Cammo101 wrote:#49 - Ken Shamrock

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One of the first true stars of MMA, Ken Shamrock was a staple of the UFC, Pride, and Pancrase. Shamrock has a career record of 28-15-2, but many of those losses are because he hung around well past his prime. He holds career victories over Dan Severn, Bas Rutten twice, Masakatsu Funaki twice, Pat Smith, and Maurice Smith.


Too bad he couldn't beat this guy
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or he'd be further up the list :)
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Re: Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time 

Post#124 » by CPT » Sat Apr 6, 2013 4:46 am

Shamrock is an odd case. For name value and accomplishments, he should probably be way higher. But for the last 10 years, he's mostly been a joke.

All I know is it's super weird to see him ranked just ahead of Gegard Mousasi. Something there isn't right. Probably just Mousasi being too high though.
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Post#125 » by REDDzone » Sat Apr 6, 2013 5:00 am

Just depends on the criteria here. How much does a guy get dropped for staying around for wayyy too long vs how much are they credited for awesome peaks.

Shamrock went on like a 10-12 fight unbeaten streak way back when. Sounds pretty decent, eh? Then you realize he did it over the course of like a year and a few months and its like yikes. Again not to sound like a just bleeder but that's just unheard of now unless you go Travis Fulton and fight random locals every weekend.
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Post#126 » by spykelee » Sat Apr 6, 2013 6:04 am

when you are at one time, legit, the worlds most dangerous man, you deserve high praise. On the flip side, the last part of his career is so abysmal that it takes away from that legacy. Just inside the top 50 seems like a good spot to me.
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Post#127 » by Cammo101 » Sat Apr 6, 2013 5:54 pm

spykelee wrote:when you are at one time, legit, the worlds most dangerous man, you deserve high praise. On the flip side, the last part of his career is so abysmal that it takes away from that legacy. Just inside the top 50 seems like a good spot to me.


Pretty much this. I'm trying not to punish guys too much for staying around too long.
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Post#128 » by REDDzone » Sat Apr 6, 2013 5:55 pm

So is Connor McGregor still to come?
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Post#129 » by Cammo101 » Sat Apr 6, 2013 6:00 pm

#48 - Pat Miletich

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The first UFC Welterweight champion and the winner of the UFC 16 Welterweight tournament. Pat Miletich is also the founder of Miletich Fighting Systems, which is the first ever super camp in MMA and was responsible for unleashing Matt Hughes, Tim Sylvia, Jens Pulver, and Robbie Lawler onto the MMA world. Miletich was one of the best pre-Zuffa Welterweights in MMA. He holds a career record of 29-7-2, with a UFC record of 8-2. He has victories over Mikey Burnett, Jorge Patino, Andre Pederneiras, John Alessio, and Shonie Carter twice. He also has a draw against UFC Hall of Famer Dan Severn.
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Post#130 » by Cammo101 » Sat Apr 6, 2013 6:01 pm

REDDzone wrote:So is Connor McGregor still to come?


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Post#131 » by Cammo101 » Sun Apr 7, 2013 8:10 am

#47 - Miguel Torres

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Miguel Torres was a long time WEC Bantamweight champion and for a time was among the pound for pound best in MMA. He holds a gaudy 40-6 record, with an 8-4 combined record in the UFC and WEC. He holds victories over Takaya Mizugaki, Antonio Banuelos, Yoshiro Maeda, and Chase Beebe.
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Post#132 » by Cammo101 » Sun Apr 7, 2013 8:02 pm

#46 - Oleg Taktarov

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The winner of the UFC 6 tournament, Oleg Taktarov is one of the greats of the early era in the UFC. He has a career record of 17-5-2, with a UFC record of 6-2-1. He holds notable victories over Mark Kerr, Tank Abbott, Marco Ruas, and Anthony Macias.
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Post#133 » by Cammo101 » Sun Apr 7, 2013 8:03 pm

#45 - Jake Shields

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Shields is the former Strikeforce, EliteXC, and Shooto Welterweight champion. He has also competed for the title in the UFC. Shields has a career record of 27-6, with wins over Dan Henderson, Carlos Condit, Yushin Okami, Hayato Sakurai, and Robbie Lawler.
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Post#134 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 8, 2013 6:23 pm

#44 - Forrest Griffin

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Quite possibly the most important fighter in MMA history, Forrest Griffin is also one of the best. He is a former UFC Light Heavyweight champion and the winner of the first season of The Ultimate Fighter. He has a career record of 19-7, with a UFC record of 10-5. He holds victories over Chael Sonnen, Mauricio Rua, Quenton Jackson, Rich Franklin, and Tito Ortiz twice.
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Re: Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time 

Post#135 » by CPT » Tue Apr 9, 2013 8:29 am

Shamrock and Miletich seem like they should be higher than Taktarov.

Shields is another weird guy that could be way lower, but he's got some very impressive names on his resume. Was he the Strikeforce MW champ at any point?

Mousasi still sticks out like a sore thumb among these last 10 or so names, IMO.
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Post#136 » by NZB2323 » Tue Apr 9, 2013 10:24 am

Do you guys believe that Jordan coming back to the Wizards hurt his legacy? I wouldn't hold the latter part of Ken's career against him, just like how I wouldn't hold the latter part of Ali's career against him. But I'm also the guy who doesn't really hold Chael Sonnen's early losses against him that much.

I guess that I'd rank a guy who was a contender for 10 years and garbage for 10 over a guy who was a contender for 5 years and top 20 for 15.
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Post#137 » by SDM » Tue Apr 9, 2013 12:06 pm

I don't know if it hurt his legacy, but it was like watching prime Michael at 65%. That 65% can outplay most but he looked average at times. Same thing with Shamrock.
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Post#138 » by REDDzone » Tue Apr 9, 2013 1:19 pm

CPT wrote:Shields is another weird guy that could be way lower, but he's got some very impressive names on his resume. Was he the Strikeforce MW champ at any point?


He was always the SF MW champ. Cammo has it mixed up. Watchign Shields fight is underwhelming but beating Okami/Condit in one night automatically gets him in the top 50 imo lol. Also the ridiculous beating he put on Hendo (cue Hendo excuses in 3..2..1..).

If we are not considering latter parts of careers this list looks a lot different imo. Peak by peak, some of the guys already on this list were at various times in the running for best fighter in the world. See Ken Shamrock.
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Re: Cammo Counts Down The Top 100 MMA Fighters of All Time 

Post#139 » by CPT » Tue Apr 9, 2013 1:35 pm

REDDzone wrote:
CPT wrote:Shields is another weird guy that could be way lower, but he's got some very impressive names on his resume. Was he the Strikeforce MW champ at any point?


He was always the SF MW champ. Cammo has it mixed up. Watchign Shields fight is underwhelming but beating Okami/Condit in one night automatically gets him in the top 50 imo lol. Also the ridiculous beating he put on Hendo (cue Hendo excuses in 3..2..1..).

If we are not considering latter parts of careers this list looks a lot different imo. Peak by peak, some of the guys already on this list were at various times in the running for best fighter in the world. See Ken Shamrock.


Right. I kinda thought he was, but I couldn't remember where he got it from (still can't...Lawler?). I knew the Shields/Hendo fight was a title fight, so I should have known it was MW.
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Post#140 » by SDM » Tue Apr 9, 2013 1:38 pm

We need the search feature reinstated so we can recall a certain poster's legendary hate for Shields.

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