Around the nba part 7

[wireonfire]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

Lin is known for clutchness. We shall see....

[Never Wrong]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

Lin is known for clutchness. We shall see....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7KsuyQb-1Y[/youtube]

[andremiller96]

Also Lin is too inconsistent right now. He had 4 straight games where he failed to reach double figures and now has almost three straight double doubles. This is good for a team like Houston where they can afford to let the youngsters grow. With us though we have a small window. Felton is consistently average and that is good for this team since he can be relied on. There are many great pgs in the league though and I'm sure once Amar'e's back breaking contract ends we will have a great pg either through the draft or through trade.

WHAT!? UNDERACHIEVED?

Let me say this before I say anything, I've watched every game they've played this year. And before you start thinking I'm one of those Linsanity bandwagoners, let me tell you, I doubted Jeremy for most of the season, but he has proven me wrong big time

You must be one of those people who doesn't actually watch basketball games and only rely's on stats to form your opinion of players, because Jeremy Lin has played excellent this year. The reason why his stats aren't inflated is because there is a problem with Lin and Harden sharing the point guard position. Harden has been given the green light by Mchale to be the playmaker in a lot of possessions, so it's harder for Lin for find his place in the offense. Plus, he only averages 31 minutes a game because Mchale is trying to give other new young players some experience and confidence, but when Jeremy is given the greenlight, he shines.

He's the second best player on that team, and this is inarguable now. He's the best team mate because he gets along with all the players, and he is the best point guard because when he's on the floor he always makes the right decisions and the offense flows beautifully. He is the third best shooter, which is saying a lot because Chandler Parsons is lightsout ( apparently he employs the Bird system and shoots 1000 shots a practice staying late) and of course Harden is better, although not by much. Jeremy is also the quickest player with the highest basketball iq. In fact, saying Harden is a better shooter is dubious because harden is more of an iso standstill shooter, while Jeremy is a much better flow shooter. Overall though Harden is better, but again they are different kind of shooters. I think Parsons is the best pure shooter, but he doesn't have the moves Harden does. He can't hit shots with a defender in his face off the dribble, and more so rely's on getting the open shots Harden creates from luring the defense away. There is a reason why they have the highest scoring percentage in the NBA, this team can just flat out shoot the basketball.

[NBA Fan 1234]

^I would say MKG.

Harrison Barnes' game is one-dimensional, he's all just about offense... reminds me of Al Harrington.

MKG has the makings of quality defender, and he can be the next prime Ron Artest without baggage.

that's not only completely false, but it is one of the worst comparisons i have ever seen.

barnes is a good defender for anyone in the nba and a very good rookie one (and was actually the BEST rookie defender going into all star break -- haven't checked the stats since then). he has to be more aggressive on offense, though.

@andremiller96, lin was pretty bad to begin the season. there's no point in denying that.

[bfpri]

A better question. Felton, a supposed seasoned veteran, in the playoffs vs. Jeremy Lin, an inexperienced and at times overrated PG, in the playoffs.

Who will have the better performance? And I'm not talking about winning games, I"m talking about individual performance.

[Getouttahea22]

A better question. Felton, a supposed seasoned veteran, in the playoffs vs. Jeremy Lin, an inexperienced and at times overrated PG, in the playoffs.

Who will have the better performance? And I'm not talking about winning games, I"m talking about individual performance.

Ehhh...In the playoffs, I would probably be more interested in who is winning games than individual performance. Also, I'd like to see who each team's opponent is before making any predictions. If the Rockets end up going against OKC or SA and Lin has to deal with defenders like Duncan and Ibaka then I wouldn't be surprised to see some tough games.

On the other hand, if the Knicks get Atlanta or Milwaukee I wouldn't be surprised to see Felton have some solid games. If the Knicks get the Celtics though, Avery Bradley and KG could make things difficult.

So yeah, in my opinion matchup matters for trying to predict whether Felton or Lin will have the better postseason individually. On the other hand, do fans really care about individual statistics in the playoffs?

[Getouttahea22]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

The weird thing is, is Portland really tanking for the lotto? If so, I don't get why they played Lillard over 40 minutes that game. Are they trying to play with fire? (i.e. a potential injury) And why not let LA rest a little more for his injury as opposed to having him come back when you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs? Where's the sense in this if you're tanking? At this point shouldn't you be thinking long term?

[spaceballer]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

The weird thing is, is Portland really tanking for the lotto? If so, I don't get why they played Lillard over 40 minutes that game. Are they trying to play with fire? (i.e. a potential injury) And why not let LA rest a little more for his injury as opposed to having him come back when you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs? Where's the sense in this if you're tanking? At this point shouldn't you be thinking long term?

GM's are the only ones who can actually influence tanking who may want to tank, and if they do, they can only influence the tanking in a general way by trading away vets and serviceable players in return for young prospects (future growth upside as well as prone to rookie mistakes). They're not "tanking" but "rebuilding" in their parlance. I doubt they tell the coaches and players to explicitly tank. And even if they did, I doubt the coaches and players would listen.

I doubt Coaches would even consider tanking unless they were signed to long term contracts with job security. Bad seasons end up on your coaching record and can affect future job prospects. No coach would deliberately tank, even if asked to by management, unless they're assured they they won't be fired and have a guaranteed contract with many more years to come to recover from the bad season. Otherwise, even if management ask them to tank, Coaches won't do so because it destroys their reputation and future job prospects for another coaching gig.

Same with players. They're competitive guys who want to win. And they know they can be cut and out of the league at any point. You won't find them deliberately tanking and screwing up their stats and career prospects just because the GM or Coach tells them to. Though if there's a dysfunctional locker room or mutiny because they don't buy in and are deflated, that could naturally lead to worse play and lesser energy or effort on the floor. But they won't deliberately tank. That's asking them to jeopardize their NBA career. And they don't get to where they are in the NBA by not being competitive freaks.

If GMS want to tank, they try to put together a crappy (ahem, "rebuilding") team with guys who have upside but aren't expected to be good or win much since they're prone to rookie mistakes. Coaches won't tank unless they have a long-term contract, and sometimes not even then, because bad season go on their coaching records and cause them to lose out on future coaching gigs. Players won't tank b/c they're competitive sonuvabitches, and it could be career suicide for them when many NBA players are one step away from being waived with someone eager to take their spots and minutes. Not to mention bad play means they don't get to sign a better new contract when the current one is up.

Just because fans may want a team to tank doesn't mean it will happen.

[Thugger HBC]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

The weird thing is, is Portland really tanking for the lotto? If so, I don't get why they played Lillard over 40 minutes that game. Are they trying to play with fire? (i.e. a potential injury) And why not let LA rest a little more for his injury as opposed to having him come back when you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs? Where's the sense in this if you're tanking? At this point shouldn't you be thinking long term?

GM's are the only ones who can actually influence tanking who may want to tank, and if they do, they can only influence the tanking in a general way by trading away vets and serviceable players in return for young prospects (future growth upside as well as prone to rookie mistakes). They're not "tanking" but "rebuilding" in their parlance. I doubt they tell the coaches and players to explicitly tank. And even if they did, I doubt the coaches and players would listen.

I doubt Coaches would even consider tanking unless they were signed to long term contracts with job security. Bad seasons end up on your coaching record and can affect future job prospects. No coach would deliberately tank, even if asked to by management, unless they're assured they they won't be fired and have a guaranteed contract with many more years to come to recover from the bad season. Otherwise, even if management ask them to tank, Coaches won't do so because it destroys their reputation and future job prospects for another coaching gig.

Same with players. They're competitive guys who want to win. And they know they can be cut and out of the league at any point. You won't find them deliberately tanking and screwing up their stats and career prospects just because the GM or Coach tells them to. Though if there's a dysfunctional locker room or mutiny because they don't buy in and are deflated, that could naturally lead to worse play and lesser energy or effort on the floor. But they won't deliberately tank. That's asking them to jeopardize their NBA career. And they don't get to where they are in the NBA by not being competitive freaks.

If GMS want to tank, they try to put together a crappy (ahem, "rebuilding") team with guys who have upside but aren't expected to be good or win much since they're prone to rookie mistakes. Coaches won't tank unless they have a long-term contract, and sometimes not even then, because bad season go on their coaching records and cause them to lose out on future coaching gigs. Players won't tank b/c they're competitive sonuvabitches, and it could be career suicide for them when many NBA players are one step away from being waived with someone eager to take their spots and minutes. Not to mention bad play means they don't get to sign a better new contract when the current one is up.

Just because fans may want a team to tank doesn't mean it will happen.

Teams definitely do it, even though the instructions come fromhigher up, the coaches do take part.....

Here's an interesting read on that...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40780/when-tankers-tell-the-truth

[Falstaffxx]

Lin has had a number of very good games lately. They have a back-to-back tonight, so it should be interesting. He has had some problems on back-to-backs.

[kakaman]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

Lin is known for clutchness. We shall see....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7KsuyQb-1Y[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59_kvc5XsM[/youtube]

See what I did there? As if one video clip is the be all and end all

Oh btw this was the play right after that one

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqtLC4i73Q[/youtube]

[spaceballer]

The weird thing is, is Portland really tanking for the lotto? If so, I don't get why they played Lillard over 40 minutes that game. Are they trying to play with fire? (i.e. a potential injury) And why not let LA rest a little more for his injury as opposed to having him come back when you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs? Where's the sense in this if you're tanking? At this point shouldn't you be thinking long term?

GM's are the only ones who can actually influence tanking who may want to tank, and if they do, they can only influence the tanking in a general way by trading away vets and serviceable players in return for young prospects (future growth upside as well as prone to rookie mistakes). They're not "tanking" but "rebuilding" in their parlance. I doubt they tell the coaches and players to explicitly tank. And even if they did, I doubt the coaches and players would listen.

I doubt Coaches would even consider tanking unless they were signed to long term contracts with job security. Bad seasons end up on your coaching record and can affect future job prospects. No coach would deliberately tank, even if asked to by management, unless they're assured they they won't be fired and have a guaranteed contract with many more years to come to recover from the bad season. Otherwise, even if management ask them to tank, Coaches won't do so because it destroys their reputation and future job prospects for another coaching gig.

Same with players. They're competitive guys who want to win. And they know they can be cut and out of the league at any point. You won't find them deliberately tanking and screwing up their stats and career prospects just because the GM or Coach tells them to. Though if there's a dysfunctional locker room or mutiny because they don't buy in and are deflated, that could naturally lead to worse play and lesser energy or effort on the floor. But they won't deliberately tank. That's asking them to jeopardize their NBA career. And they don't get to where they are in the NBA by not being competitive freaks.

If GMS want to tank, they try to put together a crappy (ahem, "rebuilding") team with guys who have upside but aren't expected to be good or win much since they're prone to rookie mistakes. Coaches won't tank unless they have a long-term contract, and sometimes not even then, because bad season go on their coaching records and cause them to lose out on future coaching gigs. Players won't tank b/c they're competitive sonuvabitches, and it could be career suicide for them when many NBA players are one step away from being waived with someone eager to take their spots and minutes. Not to mention bad play means they don't get to sign a better new contract when the current one is up.

Just because fans may want a team to tank doesn't mean it will happen.

Teams definitely do it, even though the instructions come fromhigher up, the coaches do take part.....

Here's an interesting read on that...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40780/when-tankers-tell-the-truth

Yes, as I've indicated in my post. The GM is the one "tanking", but he can only do so to the extent of creating a "crappy" or "rebuilding" roster.

"They trade all our guys away and we go real young, and the goal was to get LeBron and also to sell the team,"

And coaches are only willing to consider tanking if they're assured of job security. Just as in the case of Doc who went on to many more years with the team.

Further the way Doc did it by juggling the rotations further indicates the the players themselves would never tank. That's why Doc was forced to so it via rotation. He couldn't order the players to tank because they wouldn't.

Just like I said in my post. GMs may try to tank via roster construction. Coaches will never tank unless they're sure of job security. And Players will never tank.

[Falstaffxx]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

You're wrong, a poor playoff performance at this stage of his career would not damn him to mediocrity or whatever claim you'd like to lay the groundwork for.

[Getouttahea22]

The weird thing is, is Portland really tanking for the lotto? If so, I don't get why they played Lillard over 40 minutes that game. Are they trying to play with fire? (i.e. a potential injury) And why not let LA rest a little more for his injury as opposed to having him come back when you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs? Where's the sense in this if you're tanking? At this point shouldn't you be thinking long term?

GM's are the only ones who can actually influence tanking who may want to tank, and if they do, they can only influence the tanking in a general way by trading away vets and serviceable players in return for young prospects (future growth upside as well as prone to rookie mistakes). They're not "tanking" but "rebuilding" in their parlance. I doubt they tell the coaches and players to explicitly tank. And even if they did, I doubt the coaches and players would listen.

I doubt Coaches would even consider tanking unless they were signed to long term contracts with job security. Bad seasons end up on your coaching record and can affect future job prospects. No coach would deliberately tank, even if asked to by management, unless they're assured they they won't be fired and have a guaranteed contract with many more years to come to recover from the bad season. Otherwise, even if management ask them to tank, Coaches won't do so because it destroys their reputation and future job prospects for another coaching gig.

Same with players. They're competitive guys who want to win. And they know they can be cut and out of the league at any point. You won't find them deliberately tanking and screwing up their stats and career prospects just because the GM or Coach tells them to. Though if there's a dysfunctional locker room or mutiny because they don't buy in and are deflated, that could naturally lead to worse play and lesser energy or effort on the floor. But they won't deliberately tank. That's asking them to jeopardize their NBA career. And they don't get to where they are in the NBA by not being competitive freaks.

If GMS want to tank, they try to put together a crappy (ahem, "rebuilding") team with guys who have upside but aren't expected to be good or win much since they're prone to rookie mistakes. Coaches won't tank unless they have a long-term contract, and sometimes not even then, because bad season go on their coaching records and cause them to lose out on future coaching gigs. Players won't tank b/c they're competitive sonuvabitches, and it could be career suicide for them when many NBA players are one step away from being waived with someone eager to take their spots and minutes. Not to mention bad play means they don't get to sign a better new contract when the current one is up.

Just because fans may want a team to tank doesn't mean it will happen.

Teams definitely do it, even though the instructions come fromhigher up, the coaches do take part.....

Here's an interesting read on that...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40780/when-tankers-tell-the-truth

One thing I learned from that article, the Celtics had an ALLAN RAY before they had a RAY ALLEN?!

[Pharmcat]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

You're wrong, a poor playoff performance at this stage of his career would not damn him to mediocrity or whatever claim you'd like to lay the groundwork for.

I didnt use the word mediocrity

[Knicks_Fan2]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

You're wrong, a poor playoff performance at this stage of his career would not damn him to mediocrity or whatever claim you'd like to lay the groundwork for.

I didnt use the word mediocrity

Serious oversensitivity

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[Thugger HBC]

at this point of the season, stats against teams who are tanking for the lotto dont really mean anything for any player

lets see what happens come PO time

You're wrong, a poor playoff performance at this stage of his career would not damn him to mediocrity or whatever claim you'd like to lay the groundwork for.

Depends on the outcome.

I recalled a player missing 4 straight free throws and lost their entire basketball ability.

[Getouttahea22]

So wait, let me get this straight Thugger/Pharm. You do or you don't think Portland is tanking? Because if so, how do you explain Lillard playing 40+ min. and LA coming back from his ankle injury even though they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

At this point, if they're making those kinds of decisions, don't they deserve to be given credit for not tanking?

[Bran Fast Hands]

I wish there was a separate lin thread so I didn't have to scroll through page after page to find non Lin NBA discussion.

[Thugger HBC]

So wait, let me get this straight Thugger/Pharm. You do or you don't think Portland is tanking? Because if so, how do you explain Lillard playing 40+ min. and LA coming back from his ankle injury even though they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

At this point, if they're making those kinds of decisions, don't they deserve to be given credit for not tanking?

I think the Blazers should be better, they have enough pieces to be better than what they are.

But just because a player is playing a ton of minutes doesn't detract from tanking.

They dont play to win, they merely try to be competitive.....AT HOME.

You can tank without sitting your best players down.