Around the nba part 7

[god shammgod]

Lin's not good enough to have the offense run through him, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, that makes him less useful. Sounds like a high maintenance mediocre player to me.

and the gloves are off ladies and gentlemen

[JBreezeNY]

I've watched some Rockets games. And Lin has the ball plenty and it's only taken away from him after he screws it up so bad that he digs the team a giant hole. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that he's just not good? We get it, he's your idol, he validates your existence. But enough already.

It's never gonna happen man, tried telling people he's nothing more than a bench player last year when he was still on the Knicks & I got blasted for it. It is what it is.

And keep it up John, really happy I didn't give up on this cat. He's proving people wrong, the Wizards have a bright future.

[Thugger HBC]

Put Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Durant on same team. I guarantee their scoring averages would plummet from their current (real) ones.

At the end of the day, there is only one ball on the court. If one guy has it, there's nothing much (appearing on the stats) the other 4 guys can do offensively.

Actually that team would score more, they would feed off each other.

They would literally pick their nights on who gets to go off.

Two of those guys have players who dominate the ball quite a bit as well and their games are still on pace.

Point is ultimately, though, that their averages could never be the same even if, as a team, they are better. Just not enough usage.

The point is wrong.

You think these guys would be worse playing with each other?

Their scoring might actually go up from having nothing but efficiency surrounding them.

All of those guys can handle the rock and finish.

Just give them a big that's cool with rebounding and they would literally go undefeated.

[knicksnyk]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

This makes no sense whatsoever. LBJ doesn't hold back Wade? Kobe doesn't hold back Nash? Stop trying so ahrd you will give yourself a headache

John Wall in his return has reminded me of D-Rose a bit...not even gonna front about it. Obviously not THAT good yet but man...athletic freak check, a bit out of control but maturing check, unstoppable when he hits the gas check.

Wall is balling but people need to apply some context to his good play. the sample is REALLY small. Also Wall is doing this towards the end of the season typically when guys are exhausted & so banged up. Wall comes in with fresh legs & tears the NBA up. I need to see wall do this over a much bigger sample from the begining of the season onwards before I crown him anything. last year dragic did the same thing. blew up the nba in a contract year in the last 28 games of the season. Look at goran now.

[Never Wrong]

Lin's not good enough to have the offense run through him, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, that makes him less useful. Sounds like a high maintenance mediocre player to me.

Exactly. Harden does everything Lin does except better, much better. Lin needs certain circumstances just to make any sort of contribution, but it doesn't necessarily improve the team's chances of winning. He's one of the worst ballhandlers I've ever seen as a guard and that should be the first thing a PG masters. You shouldn't even think about improving any other part of your game until you get your ballhandling to at least average.

[Rasho Brezec]

Lin's not good enough to have the offense run through him, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, that makes him less useful. Sounds like a high maintenance mediocre player to me.

and the gloves are off ladies and gentlemen

I get really annoyed when someone says Harden makes Lin worse, as if the best player on the team should sacrifice his own game and the team's performance to appease some fanboys.

[Thugger HBC]

Lebron does not hold back Wade.

Lebron makes sure Wade stays efficient, and probably extended his career an extra year or two.

[JBreezeNY]

This makes no sense whatsoever. LBJ doesn't hold back Wade? Kobe doesn't hold back Nash? Stop trying so ahrd you will give yourself a headache

lol we can't be looking at the same 2013 season if u think Bron is holding back Wade & Kobe is holding back Nash.

[god shammgod]

Lin's not good enough to have the offense run through him, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, that makes him less useful. Sounds like a high maintenance mediocre player to me.

and the gloves are off ladies and gentlemen

I get really annoyed when someone says Harden makes Lin worse, as if the best player on the team should sacrifice his own game and the team's performance to appease some fanboys.

i try not to get involved in this but it's something that really bothers me too. not just harden/lin but i've heard this discussion many times where a superior player is holding an inferior player back. it's ridiculous.

[GettinitDone]

Harden doesn't hold anyone back because Harden is the best player on that team. You can't hold back someone who's worse than you.

Put Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Durant on same team. I guarantee their scoring averages would plummet from their current (real) ones.

At the end of the day, there is only one ball on the court. If one guy has it, there's nothing much (appearing on the stats) the other 4 guys can do offensively.

Actually that team would score more, they would feed off each other.

They would literally pick their nights on who gets to go off.

Two of those guys have players who dominate the ball quite a bit as well and their games are still on pace.

Yes, they would score more as a team, but individually no way they maintain their current (real) scoring averages. Case in point, Michael Jordan (career 30.1 PPG) only averaged 20.2 PPG in All Star games, Kobe only averaged 20.0 PPG in All Star games. We also witnessed it that everytime Big 3 formed (Pierce-Allen-KG in Boston, and LeBron-Wade-Bosh in Miami) their scoring averages went down in their first year together compared to previous year before they came together on same team.

Yes they will score 120-130-140 as a team, but their individual stats will take a step back. It's common sense really, there is only 1 ball on the court. You either have it or you don't.

When Harden has the ball to dribble, to create for himself, to create for others, he is taking that very role from Lin, taking his strengths away. Unfortunately for Lin, he's not the type who catches and shoots like Rip Hamilton or Fisher.

[god shammgod]

wiz lead up to 15 early 4th

[JBreezeNY]

Lebron does not hold back Wade.

Lebron makes sure Wade stays efficient, and probably extended his career an extra year or two.

He really said Bron is holding back Wade though

Wade should be gracious enough that Bron came to the Heat. He's been on a tear as of late because of Bron.

[god shammgod]

if you let any player handle the ball more and take more shots they'll put up better stats. winning more is something else though.

[knicksnyk]

Lebron does not hold back Wade.

Lebron makes sure Wade stays efficient, and probably extended his career an extra year or two.

Oh stop. Wade is balling this season & how many people are talking about it? Bosh as well is crazy talented. When two talented players come together the lesser player always sacrifices for the superior player. EVEN Lin's teammates said that he has had to sacrifice playing alongside harden. Or do you claim to know more than they do? why are people arguing this it is just common sense. facts back up the logic that lin puts up better numbers without harden than he does with him. But the rockets win more games with harden than without him & lin only cares about winning anyway he doesn't really care about his stats.

Lin's not good enough to have the offense run through him, and if he doesn't have the ball in his hands, that makes him less useful. Sounds like a high maintenance mediocre player to me.

Exactly. Harden does everything Lin does except better, much better. Lin needs certain circumstances just to make any sort of contribution, but it doesn't necessarily improve the team's chances of winning. He's one of the worst ballhandlers I've ever seen as a guard and that should be the first thing a PG masters. You shouldn't even think about improving any other part of your game until you get your ballhandling to at least average.

LMAO now you are just straight up lying.

Lin ball handling rating 23.8
felton ball handling 18.6

Clearly if Lin is one of the worst ball handlers you have ever seen felton is obviously trash.

[Knicks_Fan2]

The point is wrong.

You think these guys would be worse playing with each other?

Their scoring might actually go up from having nothing but efficiency surrounding them.

All of those guys can handle the rock and finish.

Just give them a big that's cool with rebounding and they would literally go undefeated.

Yes my point, which is an untestable opinion, is apparently factually wrong based off your untestable and honestly improbable opinion. Got it.

[Never Wrong]

When Harden has the ball to dribble, to create for himself, to create for others, he is taking that very role from Lin, taking his strengths away. Unfortunately for Lin, he's not the type who catches and shoots like Rip Hamilton or Fisher.

That makes no sense at all. You want the team to do worse just so Lin can play the role he's least bad at even though there's at least one player on his team that does it all much better than he does? What's the matter with you?

[Jay10]

harden is about to foul out denver's entire roster

[god shammgod]

wiz up 20 now

[Never Wrong]

LMAO now you are just straight up lying.

Lin ball handling rating 23.8
felton ball handling 18.6

Clearly if Lin is one of the worst ball handlers you have ever seen felton is obviously trash.

Stats and more stats. Never watch games do you? Just check the Jeremy Lin box scores to validate your existence right?

[knicksnyk]

if you let any player handle the ball more and take more shots they'll put up better stats. winning more is something else though.

THIS. That is all i am saying. You hit the nail on the head. Is this really so hard for people to understand. this ALL people mean when they say harden is holding back lin that is it. from a statistical perspective. doesn't mean that harden has zapped all of lins powers like this is space jam. god have mercy.