REPLACE BLAKE GRIFFIN WITH LA

dub81 · Post #1 » by **dub81** » Sun Apr 7, 2013 1:56 pm

I have a feeling that the Clippers would have a better record if Griffin is replaced with LA currently. Does anybody care to discuss? thanks...Not trolling just want to hear your opinions.

adiedanny · Post #2 » by **adiedanny** » Sun Apr 7, 2013 7:30 pm

dub81 wrote:I have a feeling that the Clippers would have a better record if Griffin is replaced with LA currently. Does anybody care to discuss? thanks...Not trolling just want to hear your opinions.

No thank you!

mttwlsn16 · Post #3 » by **mttwlsn16** » Sun Apr 7, 2013 8:38 pm

Post #4 » by **og15** » Sun Apr 7, 2013 10:14 pm

Better record? No, I don't think so, different team, yes. LMA would give more of a pick and pop attack similar to David West with Paul in New Orleans. The team gets worse on the defensive glass, and there's no defensive advantage. LMA is a decent defender, but Blake has improved, and there's no noticeable difference in their defensive impact. Individually as scorer, Blake scores at a similar rate with higher efficiency. Actually, even with Roy, LMA has never been as efficient a scorer as Blake, he's generally just at or a little below league average. Playing closer to 32-33 MPG on the Clippers like Blake is, he'd give you about 18 PPG / 7-8 RPG.

Blake's other advantage is that he's a better passer, and he's one of the few guys on the team that consistently draws fouls. I don't think the team would be "worse" or significantly worse, but they wouldn't be better, different, sure. So if you basically get the same team with some differences, I do prefer the upside of Blake to LMA.

Now I will say that in the post-season. LMA's ability to stretch the floor would be beneficial to this team, and also because he's a capable 4/5 size wise, he gives some more versatility in rotations. You can bring Odom off the bench as a PF and shift LMA to C. But Blake scores at a higher rate with greater efficiency than LMA has ever done in the post-season, and LMA's rebounding goes down even more. Ability to stretch the floor can only do so much if production isn't the same or better.

Post #5 » by **mkwest** » Sun Apr 7, 2013 10:18 pm

Aldridge is a good player and would be a nice consolation prize at the PF position, but it would be a downgrade imo. There are some things that he does very well, but he's older (i.e. lower ceiling) and doesn't necessarily put you over the top. It wouldn't really make sense.

Post #6 » by **og15** » Sun Apr 7, 2013 10:23 pm

mkwest wrote:Aldridge is a good player and would be a nice consolation prize at the PF position, but it would be a downgrade imo. There are some things that he does very well, but he's older (i.e. lower ceiling) and doesn't necessarily put you over the top. It wouldn't really make sense.

Yea, basically, he can shoot, doesn't turn it over, has a consistent post move he can always go to (turnaround jumper) and is taller. Blake basically does everything else as well or better.

Aldridge has had one season with better scoring efficiency than Blake's rookie season, and that was last year. That was also the only season he had a higher scoring rate than Blake's rookie season. The reason I mention this is because of the mandatory "well Blake has Paul, if other guy had Paul, his efficiency would also go up". This is even neglecting that LMA had Dre' Miller who is maybe the best lob thrower in the league anyways, yes, even over Paul.

scoobs07 · Post #7 » by **scoobs07** » Mon Apr 8, 2013 2:35 am

I wouldn't mind LA as our starting center. He would be a great compliment to Blake. I wonder if Portland fans would want anything in exchange for him besides Blake and CP? Maybe a deal like this?

Clippers get: LA

Blazers get: Jordan and 7th overall pick(Kings)

Kings get: Bledsoe and 26th overall pick(Clippers)

Why for Clippers?
They get LA, who isn't a true center, but maybe he don't have to be since he would be playing with Blake, who prefers to post up. I mean, the guy is 6-11 so I think he might be ok as the starting C. I know he is not the shot blocker and rebounder DJ is, but he is a great midrange shooter and he hits his free throws. We could have him in there at the end of the game.

Why for Blazers?
They start to build a good young team with Lillard at PG, Jordan at C, Batum at SF and they could draft some good prospects with the 7th and 12th picks, like Victor Oladipo and Kelly Olynek.

Why for Kings?
Bledsoe is better then any point guard prospect coming out of the draft. The Kings get a starting caliber NBA point guard that is coming in to his own. They also get the Clippers 1st round pick.

Potential roster for the Clippers:

PF-Griffin/Odom/Turiaf
SF-Ariza/Barnes
C-Aldridge/Kaman?
PG-Paul/Billups
SG-Morrow/Crawford/Green

Post #8 » by **og15** » Mon Apr 8, 2013 7:31 pm

LMA can play C, but that doesn't mean he is a center or likes playing C. This wouldn't happen anyways, for the Kings, Isiah Thomas is actually shown himself to be a pretty good starting caliber NBA PG whenever they actually play him, trading the 7th pick for Bledsoe makes no sense for them.

Post #9 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Mon Apr 8, 2013 11:58 pm

I'm happy with Blake Griffin. Who knows in a couple of seasons Blake's jumper could be just as good as Aldridge's. He's come a long way.

dub81 · Post #10 » by **dub81** » Thu May 9, 2013 2:45 pm

I remember I was getting rediculed about this post. Would you take ZBO or LA over Griffin right now? I would really consider it. Besides Barnes, there isn't a tough hard nose defender down low and I don't even think it's in Blake to be that guy. He's to busy flopping all over the place.

azncorruptedo17 · Post #11 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Thu May 9, 2013 2:56 pm

dub81 wrote:I remember I was getting rediculed about this post. Would you take ZBO or LA over Griffin right now? I would really consider it. Besides Barnes, there isn't a tough hard nose defender down low and I don't even think it's in Blake to be that guy. He's to busy flopping all over the place.

lol flopping all over the place? oh jeez... someone stop the troll now.

mttwlsn16 · Post #12 » by **mttwlsn16** » Thu May 9, 2013 3:19 pm

Let's replace Chris Paul with Chris Duhon too while we're at it

Post #13 » by **og15** » Thu May 9, 2013 6:46 pm

dub81 wrote:I remember I was getting rediculed about this post. Would you take ZBO or LA over Griffin right now? I would really consider it. Besides Barnes, there isn't a tough hard nose defender down low and I don't even think it's in Blake to be that guy. He's to busy flopping all over the place.

LaMarcus Aldridge in the post-season, healthy and fine:
19.8 pts, 7.3 rebs, 1.6 assists, 1.0 stls, 1.6 blks, 46.2% FG, .508 TS%, 40.2 MPG
Per 36:
17.7 pts, 6.3 rebs, 1.4 assists, 0.9 stls, 1.5 blks

Blake Griffin in the playoffs, both injured and healthy mixed together:
17.0 pts, 6.4 rebs, 2.5 assists, 1.2 stls, 0.9 blks, 48.7% FG, .530 TS%, 32.4 MPG
Per 36:
18.9 pts, 7.1 rebs, 2.7 assists, 1.3 stls, 1.0 blks

Aldridge can score 3 more pts and grab one more rebound in 3/4th of a quarter, wow! So Aldridge just plays more minutes than Blake in the post-season, he's neither a better or more efficient scorer, he's a worse rebounder even though Blake has been a poor post-season rebounder, of course still not a special passer. Why am I taking him again? Is it because of his better post game that doesn't yield better or more efficient post-season scoring, or superior playmaking? Basketball abilities are only as valuable as they are effective.

Yea, I'll still take Blake over him in the post-season. Randolph on the other hand has done very well, the Clippers would have been worse with him during the regular season because he was not very good. In theory the team would be better with him in the post-season, but that theory includes Vinny playing Zach the same way Hollins does.

mttwlsn16 · Post #14 » by **mttwlsn16** » Thu May 9, 2013 7:59 pm

dub81 wrote:I remember I was getting rediculed about this post. Would you take ZBO or LA over Griffin right now? I would really consider it. Besides Barnes, there isn't a tough hard nose defender down low and I don't even think it's in Blake to be that guy. He's to busy flopping all over the place.

You sir, are a (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Neddy · Post #15 » by **Neddy** » Thu May 9, 2013 8:11 pm

i live in oregon, only about 40 miles out from the rose garden and i fail to see why lamarcus is held in such a high regard to people outside of blazer territory. when roy was there, roy was the star. when roy went down... and until proven absolutely useless, oden was the last name called at the arena every night, with all the lights flashing in total darkness as the ripcity fans welcomed their team into the arena. Lamarcus was never, and i do mean never thought of as a star of their franchise until they exhausted all other avenues. he became, you might as call, a star due to lack of better options. in early years i even remember people around here calling him a bust, my memories aren't what it used to be once, but i believe he came into the league with brandon roy in the same draft class. he sure didn't shine until roy was gone and was blasted for it by some local media and fans.

and BTW, lamarcus does not want to play center, and shies away from center duties at all cost, to a point their coaching staff had to plug in 6-9 PFs as starting centers to keep lamarcus happy shooting 15 footers away from the basket. he may last a lot longer in the league since he really doesn't jump, run, move laterally or push through blocks all that much compared to blake, but blake's ceiling hasn't even begun to be seen, whereas with lamarcus, this is as good as it will ever get.

Post #16 » by **mkwest** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:57 am

dub81 wrote:I have a feeling that the Clippers would have a better record if Griffin is replaced with LA currently. Does anybody care to discuss? thanks...Not trolling just want to hear your opinions.

dub81 wrote:I remember I was getting rediculed about this post. Would you take ZBO or LA over Griffin right now? I would really consider it. Besides Barnes, there isn't a tough hard nose defender down low and I don't even think it's in Blake to be that guy. He's to busy flopping all over the place.

You lied

Post #17 » by **wizardg** » Sat May 11, 2013 12:43 pm

LA is pretty much what you see is what you get.

Blake is still on the serious incline coming into what will be his 4th year. Blake's defense and jumper made huge improvements last season. Blake moves his feet as well as any PF in the league. and he a good rotater if that's a word.

Both of them could use a complimentary Big to play with. Kind of like Zbo and Gasol. Neither one of them is great but together they are a load.

Quake Griffin · Post #18 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat May 11, 2013 2:17 pm

people in love with Lamarcus Aldridge are the same people who don't like Blake and make fun of his game.

jerks who have watched all of 5-10 games of his games. Then they saw LA hit a few jumpers and said, "aw, look how skilled of a big he is"

he's tallest, longest, softest POS in the NBA...do not want. we get pissed at Griff for his 8.3 RPG this year in 32 mpg, when lamarcus has a career average of 7.8 in 35 mpg.

keep him away from my team.