Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present)

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trade Vesely+Singleton+Seraphin+2013 1st for Ryan Anderson
NO trade Anderson for Bargs+Wiz 2013 1st
Tor trade Bargs for Serapgin+Booker+Vesely

MOCK DRAFT 2013 (as of today based on current standings):
1) Bobcats-Noel
2) Magic-Mclemore
3) Suns-Shabaaz
4) Cavs-Porter
5) Detroit-Burke
6) Sac-Smart
7) NO-Oladipo
8) NO (from Wiz)-Len

NEW LINEUPS:
Wiz:
PG: Wall/Price
SG: Beal/Webster/Temple
SF: Webster/Ariza
PF: Anderson/Booker
C: Nene/Okafor

NO:
PG: Vasquez/Roberts
SG: Gordon/Rivers
SF: Aminu/Olapido
PF: Davis/Bargs
C: Lopez/Len

Tor:
PG: Lowry/Lucas
SG: Derozen/Ross
SF: Gay/Fields
PF: Johnson/Vesely
C: Jonas/Seraphin/Gray

WHY FOR THE WIZ?
1) Anderson gives the Wiz a much needed productive stretch PF.

WHY FOR THE Pelicans?
1) They sell high in Anderson and get a lotto pick and a buy-low candidate in Bargs who can do the same job as Anderson.

WHY FOR THE RAPS?
1) They need to get rid of Bargs. Seraphin is a young burly big man who looks like a good compliment to Jonas.

[miller31time]

With Kevin Love forced to undergo yet another surgery, it piqued my interest.

Not that any of this would be likely but let's say that the injury and surgery has made Minnesota skeptical of Love's impact once he returns to the lineup, or at the very least, that they're worried about having a franchise player who is an injury waiting to happen.

Would you (Washington) trade Nene and Beal for Kevin Love?

(And before it gets said, yes, I understand Minnesota wouldn't trade Love unless they know he's messed up physically and Washington wouldn't deal for him unless they knew he was A-OK -- this is just for curiosity)

[nate33]

Gay is the worst contract in the NBA. You would have to give up picks just to dump him. For the life of me, I don't understand why you traded for him in the first place.

I didnt like the gay trade, but to be fair any un bias fan would say nene is a far worse contract than gay.

U mad?

When healthy, Nene is a first rate two-way player and borderline all star. Yes, it's true that he gets dinged up a lot, and when he's hurt, he's not nearly as good. But even when hurt, at least he doesn't jack up a ton of shots and hurt his team. And when he's healthy, he's way better than Gay. He is on a completely different level.

[nate33]

With Kevin Love forced to undergo yet another surgery, it piqued my interest.

Not that any of this would be likely but let's say that the injury and surgery has made Minnesota skeptical of Love's impact once he returns to the lineup, or at the very least, that they're worried about having a franchise player who is an injury waiting to happen.

Would you (Washington) trade Nene and Beal for Kevin Love?

(And before it gets said, yes, I understand Minnesota wouldn't trade Love unless they know he's messed up physically and Washington wouldn't deal for him unless they knew he was A-OK -- this is just for curiosity)

Yes, assuming the doctors said Love would make a full recovery. The Wall/Love combo would be foundation that would carry the team to the playoffs every year for a decade. It would be easy to build a team around them because all you need are role players: defensive bigs and 3&D wings.

[Halcyon]

Gay is the worst contract in the NBA. You would have to give up picks just to dump him. For the life of me, I don't understand why you traded for him in the first place.

I didnt like the gay trade, but to be fair any un bias fan would say nene is a far worse contract than gay.

Enjoy Gay's chucking

[mhd]

Straight out of left field ideas:

Trade 1:
Wiz trade Ves+Singleton+Lotto pick for (Michael Beasley OR Channing Frye)+right to pick swap with Suns in 2014 (top 1 protected in 2014, unprotected in 2015)

Suns get 8th pick (as of now) and get rid of Beasley/Frye. We get a potentially anyone in 2014 except Wiggins. Wiz hope Frye can come back healthy and be a stretch big that they have lacked. Same if the Suns prefer to get rid of Beasley.

Trade 2:
Wiz trade Ves+Singleton+Booker+Lotto pick for Marcus Thorton and pick swap in 2014.

[relinquishy]

Houston could really use Nene. He works for Francisco Garcia, Terrence Jones, and Donatas Montiejunas.

We lose Nene's leadership, but get a good character vet in Garcia, and two stretch 4 prospects.

Honestly, why would we do this? Garcia is a good shooter, yes, but he's 32 years old. And how can you consider Terrence Jones and D Mo to be two GOOD prospects when one has been in the d-league most of the year (Jones) and the other is playing below average when he sometimes finds minutes (D Mo). And the idea of both being "quality" stretch fours when they shoot 31% and 30% respectively from three? None of these players have nearly as much upside as say Seraphin who you guys would be happy to get rid of for a sack of potatoes.
We would get rid of Nene's huge contract but let's be realistic guys. Even if we have Wall and Beal we still aren't as attractive of a franchise as others because of our history. We don't want to be the next Dallas and clear cap space for some potential scrubs just so we can end up not landing any good free agents.

With Kevin Love forced to undergo yet another surgery, it piqued my interest.

Not that any of this would be likely but let's say that the injury and surgery has made Minnesota skeptical of Love's impact once he returns to the lineup, or at the very least, that they're worried about having a franchise player who is an injury waiting to happen.

Would you (Washington) trade Nene and Beal for Kevin Love?

(And before it gets said, yes, I understand Minnesota wouldn't trade Love unless they know he's messed up physically and Washington wouldn't deal for him unless they knew he was A-OK -- this is just for curiosity)

I would Love to have Kevin Love, but the guy has been plagued with injuries and is a bonehead. In the 18 games he played this year, his FG% was a dismal 35.2% and his 3 point shooting was an awful 21.7% (also known as a worse 3 point percentage than Wall). He also plays ZERO defense, and when looking at previous championship teams in this era, teams with average to below average defense typically do not get it done. This is the type of move a team makes in order to try to win a championship but I just don't see it right now. If he comes back healthy and plays like the Kevin Love of two years ago next season, then I would consider this. However, the guy will want a massive contract and he only wants to play on a contender. If we end up losing early in the playoffs a few years in a row, he will probably bolt and potentially put the Wiz through one of those "TRADE ME NOW" scenarios that Dwight put the Magic through. Add in the fact that we would have to trade a young 19 year old stud SG with a super high ceiling that is also a high character guy for this piece of work. Don't get me wrong, Love is an amazing player and has put up staggering numbers, but I just don't think I would make that trade.


I frequent these boards often and rarely comment but I'd also like to know the insane fascination with making a trade for Ilyasova at this instant. He's a very good player, but the Bucks do not plan on trading him at the moment and probably would not trade him for anything we have unless we give up too much. The people that they believe are "untouchable" are Sanders, Henson and Ilyasova. However, if they plan on giving Henson the nod eventually, I could see them trading him away in a few years. It's good to dream I guess, but I don't see this realistically happening anytime soon. I'd like to see how he does with more minutes though, maybe 34 mpg instead of his 28, and how he does after shot chucker bonehead Jennings leaves this summer. He could be a special player with Wall passing to him though.

[gaspar]

Straight out of left field ideas:

Trade 1:
Wiz trade Ves+Singleton+Lotto pick for (Michael Beasley OR Channing Frye)+right to pick swap with Suns in 2014 (top 1 protected in 2014, unprotected in 2015)

Suns get 8th pick (as of now) and get rid of Beasley/Frye. We get a potentially anyone in 2014 except Wiggins. Wiz hope Frye can come back healthy and be a stretch big that they have lacked. Same if the Suns prefer to get rid of Beasley.

Trade 2:
Wiz trade Ves+Singleton+Booker+Lotto pick for Marcus Thorton and pick swap in 2014.

This is laughably bad for the Suns and Kings.

[nate33]

Straight out of left field ideas:

Trade 1:
Wiz trade Ves+Singleton+Lotto pick for (Michael Beasley OR Channing Frye)+right to pick swap with Suns in 2014 (top 1 protected in 2014, unprotected in 2015)

Suns get 8th pick (as of now) and get rid of Beasley/Frye. We get a potentially anyone in 2014 except Wiggins. Wiz hope Frye can come back healthy and be a stretch big that they have lacked. Same if the Suns prefer to get rid of Beasley.

Trade 2:
Wiz trade Ves+Singleton+Booker+Lotto pick for Marcus Thorton and pick swap in 2014.

Those pick swap in 2014 ideas are DOA because everyone knows the Wizards will make the playoffs that year.

The Vesely + Singleton for Beasely idea might have legs though. I don't think I'd pull the trigger right now because it would eliminate our potential to have $12-15M in cap room in 2014, but if we made another move (such as extending Okafor) that eliminated that cap room, then I'd make the Beasley trade.

[nate33]

I frequent these boards often and rarely comment but I'd also like to know the insane fascination with making a trade for Ilyasova at this instant. He's a very good player, but the Bucks do not plan on trading him at the moment and probably would not trade him for anything we have unless we give up too much. The people that they believe are "untouchable" are Sanders, Henson and Ilyasova. However, if they plan on giving Henson the nod eventually, I could see them trading him away in a few years. It's good to dream I guess, but I don't see this realistically happening anytime soon. I'd like to see how he does with more minutes though, maybe 34 mpg instead of his 28, and how he does after shot chucker bonehead Jennings leaves this summer. He could be a special player with Wall passing to him though.

This is the nature of trade boards. In general, people covet other players when the other players are playing really well, which is exactly the wrong time to try and trade for them. To be fair, some of the first Ilyasova suggestions came before he blew up over the last 2 months. At the time, the trades seemed plausible. But at this point, I agree with you. Any trade package sufficient to pry Ilyasova from Milwaukee is going to involve too many good players/picks leaving Washington.

[Ed Wood]

Ilyasova is unfortunately best admired at a distance at the moment but as Nate said the initial swell of trade ideas were prompted by his abysmal start. An actual professional front office wouldn't actually respond to that by contemplating low ball trade offers but there was at least some impetus. Also there was a sort of a subtext that maybe the team should have pursued him as a free agent as opposed to scuttling its cap room for all eternity.

That last bit still rankles a little because it turns out that, as no-one could possibly have predicted and certainly did not all predict multiple times, a stretch power forward would just be grand on this team, and perhaps the two best young forwards answering to that description were on the market this past off season.

[fishercob]

Ilyasova is unfortunately best admired at a distance at the moment but as Nate said the initial swell of trade ideas were prompted by his abysmal start. An actual professional front office wouldn't actually respond to that by contemplating low ball trade offers but there was at least some impetus. Also there was a sort of a subtext that maybe the team should have pursued him as a free agent as opposed to scuttling its cap room for all eternity.

That last bit still rankles a little because it turns out that, as no-one could possibly have predicted and certainly did not all predict multiple times, a stretch power forward would just be grand on this team, and perhaps the two best young forwards answering to that description were on the market this past off season.

Ilyasova likely isn't available because the Bucks are a rudderless ship of a franchise. Given their talent base, cap situation, and market size/desirability, their ceiling is extremely low. They have been mediocre for over a decade, but never bad (and lucky) enough to be picking where all-stars usually get drafted.

If they were to wake up and realize that they were still on a bridge to nowhere, they might see that the next draft is being hailed as star-stacked at the top and believe that their best course is to strip the house down to the studs and truly rebuild.

In such a scenario, trading Ilyasova could make sense for them. I agree it's unlikely; a team content with a decade-plus of mediocrity is unlikely to change course all of a sudden.

[Upper Decker]

...a rudderless ship of a franchise...If they were to wake up and realize that they were still on a bridge to nowhere...I agree it's unlikely; a team content with a decade-plus of mediocrity is unlikely to change course all of a sudden.

Wait, are we talking about the Bucks or the Wizards?!

[fishercob]

...a rudderless ship of a franchise...If they were to wake up and realize that they were still on a bridge to nowhere...I agree it's unlikely; a team content with a decade-plus of mediocrity is unlikely to change course all of a sudden.

Wait, are we talking about the Bucks or the Wizards?!

Herb Kohl's Bucks do resemble Abe's Wiz -- right down to Ernie Grunfeld.

[fugop]

Every good game from Ilyasova makes Henson potentially more available, and I prefer Henson's game, if not fit.

[sfam]

...a rudderless ship of a franchise...If they were to wake up and realize that they were still on a bridge to nowhere...I agree it's unlikely; a team content with a decade-plus of mediocrity is unlikely to change course all of a sudden.

Wait, are we talking about the Bucks or the Wizards?!

Herb Kohl's Bucks do resemble Abe's Wiz -- right down to Ernie Grunfeld.

You think there's any chance we could trade them back Ernie Grunfeld? I'd throw in a few seconds for that.

[deneem4]

We jus need demarcus cousins....n try to keep okafor n riza n webster. ..

[relinquishy]

We jus need demarcus cousins....n try to keep okafor n riza n webster. ..

No point in keeping Okafor if we get Cousins.

[gambitx777]

The complete disregard for this draft disgusts me.

Trading a pick AND pieces for ryan anderson, or beasley or fry. That is so disrespectful. This draft has potential, their are good players here and to just toss them away is ridiculous. The suns should be giving up something to dump beasley or fry if they want them gone, like a late first or second. They are not worth our first round pick ! not even with the pick swap in 14.

And Anderson to me is inconsistent, and they got him for peanuts, no way we pay them that much for him. !

But thats just me i guess.

[jivelikenice]

This teamis in desperate need of front court scoring for the three or four. He problem is Martell and Okafors offense is based on Wall getting them looks so while they do score, they don't put pressure on the defense. We're also putting too much pressure one the backcourt. It works at home cause shooting percentages are typically better at home, but that leads to the road woes. Where we're drafting, its unrealistic to solve the problem there. It's going to have to happen via trade...