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Around the nba part 7

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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#881 » by j4remi » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:37 pm

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j4remi wrote:My other issue is how he seems to bail on ventures prematurely, this Nets thing is another example but he jumped ship on Def Jam (which wasn't really a success to me...he left so many artists on the shelf in his tenure), left Dame Dash behind, and now the Nets. I can't tell if he's selling high or if he just goes on these whims then loses interest.

Btw Beats by Dre is a great example of innovative and brilliant plays from a musician. Dre knows how to automate his money...dude doesn't even have to produce beats that he's credited for any more.


i think with most of Jay's prior ventures, he left to go on to something even bigger.

I do agree he's jumped ships prematurely except for the whole Roc-A-Fella situation.

Dame Dash was single handedly bringing the Roc to its decline right around the time Jay-Z was making the Blueprint 2. He was putting the wrong people up at leadership positions, spending crazy amounts of money, picking the wrong fights with business execs, etc.

He is the sole reason that he's been blackballed from the music industry as a whole. Jay-Z was a smart mofo... not only did he get rid of his two business partners... but he essentially kept everything once he became Def Jam prez.

What's Dash up to now? From what I remember, he was foreclosing some condos and is pretty much broke.

Biggs? I heard he's in jail now on some drug trafficking charge.

The rest of the Roc that hated on Jay-Z? Doing nothing.


Yeah, the Dame and Jay break up was a wise decision by Jay...though I think he could have kept Dash from having the bottom drop out. His mad dash from Def Jam and bragging about it has always bothered me though "I don't get dropped...I drop the label" ...He wasn't doing a great job there and then started his own thing which feels like a heist to me.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#882 » by Phish Tank » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:53 pm

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vdfebduderocks wrote:
j4remi wrote:My other issue is how he seems to bail on ventures prematurely, this Nets thing is another example but he jumped ship on Def Jam (which wasn't really a success to me...he left so many artists on the shelf in his tenure), left Dame Dash behind, and now the Nets. I can't tell if he's selling high or if he just goes on these whims then loses interest.

Btw Beats by Dre is a great example of innovative and brilliant plays from a musician. Dre knows how to automate his money...dude doesn't even have to produce beats that he's credited for any more.


i think with most of Jay's prior ventures, he left to go on to something even bigger.

I do agree he's jumped ships prematurely except for the whole Roc-A-Fella situation.

Dame Dash was single handedly bringing the Roc to its decline right around the time Jay-Z was making the Blueprint 2. He was putting the wrong people up at leadership positions, spending crazy amounts of money, picking the wrong fights with business execs, etc.

He is the sole reason that he's been blackballed from the music industry as a whole. Jay-Z was a smart mofo... not only did he get rid of his two business partners... but he essentially kept everything once he became Def Jam prez.

What's Dash up to now? From what I remember, he was foreclosing some condos and is pretty much broke.

Biggs? I heard he's in jail now on some drug trafficking charge.

The rest of the Roc that hated on Jay-Z? Doing nothing.


Yeah, the Dame and Jay break up was a wise decision by Jay...though I think he could have kept Dash from having the bottom drop out. His mad dash from Def Jam and bragging about it has always bothered me though "I don't get dropped...I drop the label" ...He wasn't doing a great job there and then started his own thing which feels like a heist to me.


word, but Roc-A-Fella was going down anyways with Jay-Z retiring. No one had the ability to take over. Dash and Burke weren't helping the cause either. Granted, Kanye was around, but Jay-Z, not Dash, is the reason his debut is a classic. If Dash were around, I don't think Kanye would be where he's at right now.

Outside of Kanye, the label was going nowhere. With Jay-Z spending so much of his time rapping rather than worrying about the business/artist development side of rapping, all of his labelmates were pretty much bums. When he moved to Def Jam, he really did spend quality time as a mentor to artists.

Guys like Jeezy, Ross, Ne-Yo, and Rihanna were directly influenced by Jay-Z's presence. Kanye rose to higher levels due to his affiliation with Jay-Z. He pretty much brought Fabolous and Nas back to prominence on the charts. Fabolous had buzz with his Real Talk album in 04, but was pretty much known as the rapper who'd kill all his features, but not have the ability to create a complete album. Nas had that horrible double-album after God's Son and them squashing beefs resulted in Nas creating 4 really really good albums. He even influenced Trey Songz to become a more complete performer after including him and Jeezy on his Blueprint Tour.

Overall, I'd say that his time at Def Jam wasn't too shabby.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#883 » by Quick Kick » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:16 pm

Reasonable Doubt is a cash cow? Since when? It took that shyt 5 years to go platinum.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#884 » by Phish Tank » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:33 pm

Quick Kick wrote:Reasonable Doubt is a cash cow? Since when? It took that shyt 5 years to go platinum.


That's irrelevant now.

Starting this year, Jay-Z got back all his publishing rights from EMI. That includes all his albums from Roc-A-Fella, including Reasonable Doubt. He'll easily make a few million a year off Reasonable Doubt alone in royalties.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#885 » by Quick Kick » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:09 pm

but how? The album wasn't a big seller. Royalties can't be that high for it. Jay wasn't even that big until like 2 years after the album dropped, and most of his fans had no idea he even had 2 albums prior to Vol. 2. Hard Knock Life. I mean most of the Death Row catalog is worth about 5 tumbleweeds right now and the majority of those early releases were going 5-10x platinum. How can Reasonable Doubt rake in a few million a year? I'm honestly just curious.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#886 » by frogfood » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:10 pm

Yup. This isn't the Beatles. No one's going out to buy Reasonable Doubt CDs. Totally different monster.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#887 » by Quick Kick » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:15 pm

Yeah I mean I'm no expert but I'd wager the only albums that really still rake in cash like that are all-time great sellers like Thriller and Elvis Presley joints. Very few hip hop albums have lasting earning power 20 years after their release.

Reasonable Doubt's singles weren't even mega hits. Aint No Ni**a was a decent summer jam hit in '96 but nothing that turned him into what he became later. Compared to If I Ruled The World, which was released that same year and transformed Nas from underground hero to mainstream heavy hitter, it was just another radio hit.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#888 » by knickstape21 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:18 pm

We need Boston and Philly to win tonight.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#889 » by Capn'O » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:28 pm

I always saw Jay's "ownership" in the Nets as more of a PR move for both parties than a real business venture for him. He gets the increased visibility as the franchise face and the franchise gets a face as it moves to Brooklyn. His real legwork is done there.

He was an owner in name only.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#890 » by K_ick_God » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:33 pm

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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#891 » by TheBigBoss » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:26 pm

Damn! Never saw those shoes that Melo has on in that pic before. Kind of cool.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#892 » by Getouttahea22 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:55 pm

Did anyone watch the minn gsw game last night? How did Rubio end up shooting 0-10?! I like some other aspects of his game but yikes. If he doesn't improve his shooting won't opponents just back off and stick to their man on d? And hasnt he been a pro for a while...shouldnt he be able to shoot at least around 40% fg?

Still think he could be good, but if his shooting doesn't improve...
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#893 » by frogfood » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:01 pm

Getouttahea22 wrote:Did anyone watch the minn gsw game last night? How did Rubio end up shooting 0-10?! I like some other aspects of his game but yikes. If he doesn't improve his shooting won't opponents just back off and stick to their man on d?


I LOVE his playstyle but for his team, to succeed he can't be this huge liability (he is LAST or 2nd to last in all major advanced shooting categories last I checked for PGs). I made a point about this earlier here. Whether or not you think his passing makes up for it is def debatable. Frankly, I don't feel like it does.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#894 » by Capn'O » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:49 pm

Rubio's shooting form is butt ugly too. Not sure it can be corrected like Lin's or Shump's. Those guys just had kinks that needed to be phased out. He needs an overhaul.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#895 » by Getouttahea22 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:54 pm

frogfood wrote:
Getouttahea22 wrote:Did anyone watch the minn gsw game last night? How did Rubio end up shooting 0-10?! I like some other aspects of his game but yikes. If he doesn't improve his shooting won't opponents just back off and stick to their man on d?


I LOVE his playstyle but for his team, to succeed he can't be this huge liability (he is LAST or 2nd to last in all major advanced shooting categories last I checked for PGs). I made a point about this earlier here. Whether or not you think his passing makes up for it is def debatable. Frankly, I don't feel like it does.


It could be a slump, but his career fg% is around the mid thirties too...

And he's not really a 3 pt chucker right? Is he not a good finisher or something?
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#896 » by Getouttahea22 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:13 pm

Capn'O wrote:Rubio's shooting form is butt ugly too. Not sure it can be corrected like Lin's or Shump's. Those guys just had kinks that needed to be phased out. He needs an overhaul.


How many years has he been a pro? Hasn't anyone tried to help him fix it? I think his game could open up so much if he could be at least a decent shooter (think Lin level maybe?).

Also I think there is an interesting trend in the NBA towards packing the paint (see the Grantland article towards the end of this post). If that is the case, I think it makes a dependable jump shot even more valuable.

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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#897 » by knicksnyk » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:57 pm

frogfood wrote:
Getouttahea22 wrote:Did anyone watch the minn gsw game last night? How did Rubio end up shooting 0-10?! I like some other aspects of his game but yikes. If he doesn't improve his shooting won't opponents just back off and stick to their man on d?


I LOVE his playstyle but for his team, to succeed he can't be this huge liability (he is LAST or 2nd to last in all major advanced shooting categories last I checked for PGs). I made a point about this earlier here. Whether or not you think his passing makes up for it is def debatable. Frankly, I don't feel like it does.


no it does not. his passing or defense does not make up for his awful scoring. ricky will never become a good scorer. he just really struggles in that area. that is why i said he is overrated. Ricky needs more than an overhaul in his shooting form. he needs to build up explosive athleticism.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#898 » by shmeakone » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:32 pm

Hopefully Boston & Philly come through tonight to make things easier for us.

Gonna keep my eyes on the Wizards-Heat game as well for entertainment purposes
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#899 » by AllanHoustonFan » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:04 am

LOL @ Bill Simmons face as Magic is telling him the Knicks ain't scared of the Celtics lol.
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Re: Around the nba part 7 

Post#900 » by AllanHoustonFan » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:23 am

HAHA Lopez just got posterized by Brandon Bass.
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