NBA Games Discussion Thread

[Nivek]

Times were different way back when. Wilt famously averaged 48.5 minutes per game one season. He played more than 42 minutes per game every season of his career. He averaged 45.8 minutes per game for his career. Just insane. The last center to average more than 40 minutes per game was Hakeem -- in 1993-94. In 2000-01, Shaq averaged 39.5 mpg. Big just don't play as many minutes as they once did.

[LyricalRico]

Iguadola is going to have to become a bit more selfish and start hitting some shots.

I had actually completely forgotten about Iggy. LOL

And actually, him being thrust into a role where he's potentially back to starting at SF and counted on for scoring could be huge for him. If he could get hot for even one series it could mean a lot for him in an opt-out-for-one-last-big-contract scenario.

[hands11]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278850

I dont think this is supposed to happen to you are home is you are 48-27

[hands11]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278847

This must have been fun to watch.

Kyrie 4-20 vs Crawford 3-12

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nivek already dispelled that article's main premise about no more big men putting up 20/10. It is merely a function of players not playing that many minutes or not taking enough shots.

The second I read that statement in the article I thought "What about DeMarcus Cousins?"

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ide01.html

He averages 20.0 points, 11.7 rebounds per-36 minutes. I am sure there are many others.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ati01.html Duncan still averages 21/12
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BRK/2013.html Blatche averages 19.6/9.7
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... vni01.html Pekovic averages 18.5/10
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... eda02.html David Lee averages 18.2/11




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http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/03/30/warner-nba-will-be-without-a-20-10-big-man-for-first-time/

Wow.

The article starts with an interesting observation and then moves immediately into a bunch of nonsense. For example, he talks about the decline of the big man, but limits the conversation to centers. In fact, there are MANY guys playing PF these days who would have been centers in earlier eras. He never addresses the issue of pace. He doesn't address the fact that coaches are giving their bigs fewer minutes per game.

Control for pace and playing time, and the story changes. A lot. Since 1977-78, the league has had an average of 17.2 players per season average at least 20 pts and 10 rebounds per 40 minutes (standardized to a 100-possession game). The high was 1997-98 when the league had 30. The low was 1987-88 when there were 8. This season: 28.



I probably shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised when writers use per game stats.

Did a quick response (basically this post) over at the blog.

Times were different way back when. Wilt famously averaged 48.5 minutes per game one season. He played more than 42 minutes per game every season of his career. He averaged 45.8 minutes per game for his career. Just insane. The last center to average more than 40 minutes per game was Hakeem -- in 1993-94. In 2000-01, Shaq averaged 39.5 mpg. Big just don't play as many minutes as they once did.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

And they have Wilson Chandler. Denver is built to withstand injuries to any player. I don't think Gallo's injury hurts them a whole lot.

I think Chandler is inconsistent and not as interchangeably good a fit. He doesn't run like Gallo and he's not a seamless fit IMO. I think Chandler's not that good. Time will tell.

** I was very wrong to think the same thing about Jeff Green. That guy is really good. I was wrong about Jeff Green … A lot of people do like Wilson Chandler, Ruz. I will observe and revisit the opinion I have right now, which is that Denver might tank because Chandler's a different kind of player who does not match what Gallinari provides.

Perhaps Fournier can step up, but they're going to miss Gallo a lot IMO. We'll see...

[Ruzious]

And they have Wilson Chandler. Denver is built to withstand injuries to any player. I don't think Gallo's injury hurts them a whole lot.

I think Chandler is inconsistent and not as interchangeably good a fit. He doesn't run like Gallo and he's not a seamless fit IMO. I think Chandler's not that good. Time will tell.

** I was very wrong to think the same thing about Jeff Green. That guy is really good. I was wrong about Jeff Green … A lot of people do like Wilson Chandler, Ruz. I will observe and revisit the opinion I have right now, which is that Denver might tank because Chandler's a different kind of player who does not match what Gallinari provides.

Perhaps Fournier can step up, but they're going to miss Gallo a lot IMO. We'll see...

Gallo's running is not a strength; it's a weakness for a small forward. If anything, Denver gets more athletic with Chandler in there. Neither are great players - I don't see much difference between them. Gallo's big strength is his shooting ability, and Chandler actually has a better 3 point percentage. And they still have depth behind them.

[montestewart]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/03/30/warner-nba-will-be-without-a-20-10-big-man-for-first-time/

Wow.

The article starts with an interesting observation and then moves immediately into a bunch of nonsense. For example, he talks about the decline of the big man, but limits the conversation to centers. In fact, there are MANY guys playing PF these days who would have been centers in earlier eras. He never addresses the issue of pace. He doesn't address the fact that coaches are giving their bigs fewer minutes per game.

Control for pace and playing time, and the story changes. A lot. Since 1977-78, the league has had an average of 17.2 players per season average at least 20 pts and 10 rebounds per 40 minutes (standardized to a 100-possession game). The high was 1997-98 when the league had 30. The low was 1987-88 when there were 8. This season: 28.



I probably shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised when writers use per game stats.

Did a quick response (basically this post) over at the blog.

Late arrival to the conversation. Good response to a weak article about the death of the 20-10 center, which spends almost all its time documenting the trend to death, as if the numbers are so self-explanatory that there's hardly any need for the brief and shallow analysis that follows. T

To explain the phenomenon, he superficially cites parallel and contributing phenomena, one of which is the now abbreviated or non-existent college careers. Never mind that three past 20-10 players cited (Moses Malone, Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard) never went to college. He further blames the rise of the European player, stating: "Seven-foot imports such as Dirk Nowitzki played more like guards than centers." Never mind that Nowitzki narrowly missed being a 20-10 player three times, and who else (European or not) plays like him anyway?

The author mentions Bill Russell in passing, overlooking the fact that he is one of a number of great NBA centers (Walton and Unseld also) from the good old days who never had a 20-10 season. Sure it's a trend, but he talks about it in much the same way some bumpkin would talking about the decline of the 20 win pitcher. "I guess they just don't make pitchers like they used to." Figures he teaches journalism at Rutgers. He's probably thinks Rice was showering tough love on his team.

[hands11]

http://www.82games.com/1213/12DEN9.HTM

The Gallinari injury could be a real crushing blow to Denver. He makes both their offense and their defense better if 82games is to be believed. The last time the site was updated, Gallinari was a +8.9 points per 100 possessions. He hits threes. He gets out so fast in transition other teams end up fouling Denver more. Conversely, Denver fouls more when he's off the court.

I hate this injury happened now because last playoffs Gallinari stunk it up vs the Lakers. (IIRC he was coming off injury even then). After Denver was eliminated he expressed a desire to do better in the future, and that he was better than he showed in the playoffs. Gallinari was doing better before this injury. Denver had won 15 in a row at one point this season and Danilo Gallinari was a huge reason for their success. It's unfortunate to see him go down because he probably would have really helped this playoffs. It's sad to see a guy passionate about winning and a seemingly good guy have to sit it out.

This is really going to be difficult for him and the Nuggets to overcome.

Actually, I just came to post the opposite. I think Iggy my step it up in his absence like he just did. And they have Wilson Chandler.

And Corey Brewer is coming into his own.

Denver was a deep team. Its going to depend on who steps up.

[hands11]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278865

Looks like I missed a good game here. OKC taken down my NY

Wow. Melo is just lighting it up

Past 4 games

50, 40, 41 and 36 pts

Wonder how many players have done that.

[nate33]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278865

Looks like I missed a good game here. OKC taken down my NY

Wow. Melo is just lighting it up

Past 4 games

50, 40, 41 and 36 pts

Wonder how many players have done that.

Last year, Kobe scored 48, 40, 42, 42 in consecutive games.

In 2003, Kobe scored 46, 42, 51, 44, 40, 52, 40, 40, 41 in 9 consecutive games.

Kobe has scored 40 or more in 3 or more consecutive games 7 times. Melo is the first person other than Kobe to do it since Iverson went for 54, 51, 40 in 2004.

[Nivek]

Late arrival to the conversation. Good response to a weak article about the death of the 20-10 center, which spends almost all its time documenting the trend to death, as if the numbers are so self-explanatory that there's hardly any need for the brief and shallow analysis that follows. T

To explain the phenomenon, he superficially cites parallel and contributing phenomena, one of which is the now abbreviated or non-existent college careers. Never mind that three past 20-10 players cited (Moses Malone, Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard) never went to college. He further blames the rise of the European player, stating: "Seven-foot imports such as Dirk Nowitzki played more like guards than centers." Never mind that Nowitzki narrowly missed being a 20-10 player three times, and who else (European or not) plays like him anyway?

The author mentions Bill Russell in passing, overlooking the fact that he is one of a number of great NBA centers (Walton and Unseld also) from the good old days who never had a 20-10 season. Sure it's a trend, but he talks about it in much the same way some bumpkin would talking about the decline of the 20 win pitcher. "I guess they just don't make pitchers like they used to." Figures he teaches journalism at Rutgers. He's probably thinks Rice was showering tough love on his team.

Good stuff, monte. Right after I read the article, I noticed the little tag line at the top of the SheridanHoops home page:

A better basketball site.
For intelligent readers, from veteran writers.
Keep scrolling down. Good stuff here.

Wow.






Now, to be fair, I have read some good stuff there. This was bad, though.

[sfam]

Pretty amazing that a team with the best big man (Dwight Howard), one of the best SG's of all time (Kobe), a two time MVP PG (Nash) and an all star big (Pau Gasol) won't be making the playoffs. Its not a certainty, but right now its Utah's to lose. If Mike D'Antoni isn't fired 5 minutes after the regular season ends, something is truly amiss.

[pancakes3]

Pretty amazing that a team with the best big man (Dwight Howard), one of the best SG's of all time (Kobe), a two time MVP PG (Nash) and an all star big (Pau Gasol) won't be making the playoffs. Its not a certainty, but right now its Utah's to lose. If Mike D'Antoni isn't fired 5 minutes after the regular season ends, something is truly amiss.

I think this season has been one of the more interesting stories despite major injuries to Rose and Rondo - two of the more dynamic players in the league. What's more, the interesting stories aren't being talked about at all. The Lakers drama, the Heat streak, and KNICKS KNICKS KNICKS dominate the headlines but there are so many other storylines to follow.

- The Rockets and all of their big-time free agency gambles paying off - Harden, Lin, and Asik. These were big question marks before the season and Morey is getting 1/10 of the credit Riley and Ainge got for landing their big 3's. Oh, and their payroll is literally half of the Lakers.
- The enigma that is the Brooklyn Nets - Can anyone definitively say if they're good or bad?
- Western Conference leading Spurs - Winning 57 games in the west is much harder than 60 games in the east.
- The Nuggets being like the regenerative T-1000 from Terminator 2 - 2 deep in every position and 17th in the league in payroll. How?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/507 ... iveR.kvLYF

Apr 7 Barton posted career highs of 22 points and 13 rebounds in Sunday's 96-91 loss to Dallas.

Advice: Barton, a second-round pick out of Memphis, was brimming with confidence afterwards. "Everyone on the team says I've got a special talent," he said. "You've just got to wait your turn sometimes." Fantasy owners should keep a close eye on Barton down the stretch.

Barton also had 6 assists and 3 steals that game. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_y ... 2013040722

22 points, 6 assists, 13 rebounds, 3 steals from a local kid who was selected well after Tomas Satoransky.Barton is a tall guard who can basically do it all. He can play PG, SG, or SF.

Let's see over the next few games if he can keep being productive. I hope for his sake he can because he seem very humble and he's had a struggle so far. Lillard has set the world on fire in Portland. Barton has not, but he sure had one monster game.

[queridiculo]

If the Nuggets could transplant Koufos brain into McGee's body they might have themselves a really special player.

How much longer before the Nuggets run out of patience with their $10m/year project?

[I_Like_Dirt]

Barton's an interesting prospect and he had an excellent game, but other than that one game he's been downright awful for a Blazers team that has been screaming for guard help the entire season. Here's hoping he can keep it up, but right now, including his last gaem, he's shooting 36% from the field and 12% from 3 for the season. He just isn't strong enough to consistently perform and get his shot off in the NBA. Unless he puts in the work to make his last game the norm for the rest of his career rather than the exception, he's looking every bit the part of the next Manny Harris or Rawle Marshall.

[sfam]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5074/news;_ylt=ArspYpDcoVZU_bjIAYiveR.kvLYF

Apr 7 Barton posted career highs of 22 points and 13 rebounds in Sunday's 96-91 loss to Dallas.

Advice: Barton, a second-round pick out of Memphis, was brimming with confidence afterwards. "Everyone on the team says I've got a special talent," he said. "You've just got to wait your turn sometimes." Fantasy owners should keep a close eye on Barton down the stretch.

Barton also had 6 assists and 3 steals that game. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_y ... 2013040722

22 points, 6 assists, 13 rebounds, 3 steals from a local kid who was selected well after Tomas Satoransky....SNIP

Wow, that's awesome. That must mean Satoransky must be the bomb, having been drafted lots earlier!

*happy dance*

Surely EG wouldn't have drafted him unless he was the bees knees, right?

I mean its not like he would draft a slow combo guard would can't shoot...

[jivelikenice]

It's too damn bad that we didnt have an asset like Reddick to trade to Milwaukee for Tobias Harris. He's a freakish athlete and I can't really tell if he's a 3 or a 4, but I'd take him over anyone we have at any front court position.

[MikeTheKid]

Vucevic had 30 and 20 tonight......................WHY EG WHY???? 2011 Draft haunts again