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the evolution of offense and defense... 

Post#1 » by fatlever » Tue Apr 9, 2013 9:39 pm

... as it relates to the bobcats

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/914 ... ir-offense

lamar posted this article in the ben gordon thread, but i thought there was enough here to warrant a new thread. what can we learn from this article as it applies to our team?

teams are packing the strong side sending weakside defenders to the paint, copying the bulls and celtics on defense. offenses are adjusting by using less post ups and isos and passing the ball more from the strong side to weak side etc.. to get defenses scrambling. we bobcats fans have seen this all season as dunlap has us packing the strong side and paint leaving us vulnerable to teams who swing the ball and shooters in the corners. we always seems to miss a rotation or get out slowly on the shooters and it has killed us.

on offense, we run a lot of isos for kemba and a lot of pick and rolls for kemba. our offense is very vanilla in that regard and its no wonder we struggle to score against these defenses.

the article suggests a premium is being placed on smart defenders, great shooters and great passes. the bobcats seem to lack in all three areas. we are a young team with a bunch of inexperienced defenders, we are a horrible passing team and we have little outside shooting.

why are we always a few steps behind the trends?

• Brains. Players have to understand a five-man team scheme on defense, and, if they manage to get that down, how to react almost instantly to dozens of different variables that govern how they should react at any given moment.


• Versatility. Ask coaches what the next logical step in the evolution of defense might be — the counter to the counter, so to speak — and many of them will suggest an uptick in switching, both on and off the ball.


• Shooting. The cat is out of the bag on this one. Players who can't shoot will find it harder and harder to get minutes, unless they bring an elite brand of defense or some other rarely found skill. There are lots of reasons that coaches place greater emphasis on shooting and spacing now, the simplest one being that three is greater than two. But those Thibodeau-style defenses are near the top of the list. Defenders can't stray quite as far off of knockdown shooters, or they might be afraid to do so, even when a team's defensive scheme suggests they should.


• Passing. This is the one that came up over and over in conversations with coaches and executives. Passing is obviously a good thing, and always has been. But the people running teams increasingly value above-average passing at every position, and express a deeper distaste for players — again, at any position — who are either unwilling passers or just don't show a sophisticated understanding of passing, timing, angles, and reading layers of defense. "Passing is just becoming so, so important," Boylan says. "If you want to be a good offensive team, you have to have good passers."


It's no longer accurate to reduce NBA offense to truisms like "Everybody runs the same stuff" and "The NBA is a pick-and-roll league." Offenses are more complex now than they were even at the start of last season.


"The bad teams in our league are the ones who don't pass the ball well," says Kelvin Sampson, the Rockets' lead assistant. "Teams that just play on one side of the floor are going to struggle against defenses that load up on that side."


our key players - kemba, hendo, MKG and biz - dont really seem to fit in this new style of playing. kemba is a 1v1 guard and not a great passer for his position, hendo is a below average 3pt shooter and a below average passer at best, MKG is a terrible shooter, and biz is a terrible shooter and passer and doesnt have the experience to have a great bball IQ, yet.

mclemore would seem to be a player that would flourish which these changes, less iso ball, more ball movement and more shooting. from what i have seen, mclemore is a very willing passer and is not a ball stopper. he is obviously a great shooter.

of course, once the cats catch up to the new changes, we will be two steps behind and other teams will already be adjusting.
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Re: the evolution of offense and defense... 

Post#2 » by Eoghan » Tue Apr 9, 2013 10:14 pm

Bismack isn't a terrible passer, he's just a very cautious passer.

I don't really see this as an evolution thing, this is always been the way to play basketball the most effectively. It just took awhile to get there b/c coaches are dinosaurs in terms of trying new things but with more and more players coming into the league as unmolded lumps of clay it's now behooving coaches to develop them into this versatile, movement-centric style.

The problem with our players is we don't have many triple threat guys to attack this "new" defense. Like you said, defenders aren't going to unnecessarily go help or defend players that aren't threats. A jumper from MKG while drastically change this, his defender hardly ever has to do anything except keep him out of the paint. Bismack just needs to learn a freethrow line jumper like Larry Sanders has, on defense he's actually a plus for us b/c his athleticism and weakside defense allows him to cover a lot of ground and switch without being a bad mismatch often. It's usually everybody else not rotating intelligently in turn that burns us on defense. Hendo has decent IQ and expanding range so he'll be okay. Kemba needs to learn how to be more of a decoy on slashes but his improved shooting and quickness makes him okay.
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Post#3 » by AttitudeAjusta » Tue Apr 9, 2013 10:30 pm

BrotherDave wrote:• Brains. Players have to understand a five-man team scheme on defense, and, if they manage to get that down, how to react almost instantly to dozens of different variables that govern how they should react at any given moment.


fatlever wrote:• Passing. This is the one that came up over and over in conversations with coaches and executives. Passing is obviously a good thing, and always has been. But the people running teams increasingly value above-average passing at every position, and express a deeper distaste for players — again, at any position — who are either unwilling passers or just don't show a sophisticated understanding of passing, timing, angles, and reading layers of defense. "Passing is just becoming so, so important," Boylan says. "If you want to be a good offensive team, you have to have good passers."


Both of these. I can't stress how important the off-court team things matter. That ,in itself, helps improve communication and in turn, BBall IQ. So imperative. Championship teams only last if the stars STAY TOGETHER (Showtime Lakers, Bulls, Spurs, '09+'10 Lakers) If Miami keeps their 3, they'll be on the road to another ring. Dallas might have made another run, but literally everybody except Dirk left. OKC is still top-level, but breaking up that championship chemistry that team had really hurt them way more than they think.

The Spurs exhibit both of these things and what does it get them? 4 Championship rings, constant playoff contention, cheap effective players that cost them next to nothing. That's right
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Re: the evolution of offense and defense... 

Post#4 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Apr 9, 2013 11:50 pm

Glad to see this posted here.

Bobcats wise I think that Kemba, MKG, and Biz aren't perfect for where the NBA is headed but they seem to have the potential to adjust. Shooting and better passing seem to be the biggest needs for all three of them. Brains ... well we will have to see.

Kemba in particular is going to be hard to judge without having good players around him.
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Post#5 » by James Gatz » Tue Apr 9, 2013 11:54 pm

For the record I love Zach Lowe. I really enjoyed this article. It's also worth pointing out that the league wants the games to go fast and discourages refs from calling a lot of techs like D3s.

Even though Kemba, MKG, Biz don't fit into this style of play currently I'm not sure they won't be able to eventually. Hyphen is a good passer, Biz still needs time, and I'm not ready to write off Kemba until he has a knockdown shooter playing next to him.

We desperately need spacing as a team. Hendos improved range just doesn't cut it. That's one of the reasons I'm on the McLemore bandwagon even he does disappear for stretches.
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Post#6 » by ccbballin » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:27 pm

Michael Jordan revolutionized the game and now Lebron James is doing the same. He's the only player that fits all these categories. It still comes down to the best player available for the Bobcats.
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Post#7 » by floppymoose » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:42 am

This is part of the reason GSW is experiencing some success this season. They pass very well and are loaded with shooters. Watching Curry slice up that defensive scheme is a thing of beauty. So many times Klay is wide open for a 3 or Lee is wide open off the pick and pop, because 2 guys are coming after Curry and the rest are flooding the lane.
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Post#8 » by Snidely FC » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:41 pm

So, do the Cats re-evaluate their roster based on this? Really raises the question, with Offenses and Defenses becoming more systematic and more strategic, can you still evaluate players based on skill and talent alone?

For instance:

Hendo - the guy's been great for the last month. But, his style bloodlines run from MJ to Kobe, not Lebron. With 3&D SGs more necessary in the new NBA, do the Cats ante up for an old school Hendo?

Kemba - there's no denying he can score with the best and is hugely likable. But, driving to the hoop versus the 2.9 is no longer a formula for winning. Driving to facilitate is the new paradigm. Should the Cats recognize this now and offer Kemba to ORL, NO, UTA for their pick + a player (ex ORL #1 + Kyle O'Quinn?), then draft Marcus Smart as the new prototype PG (ala Lebron)?

Jeffery Taylor - as weak as he has looked at times late in the season, isn't he today's prototypical SG? At 23 and 6'7 isn't it worth waiting for him to gain confidence and experience to become a valuable 3&D SG?

Victor Olidipo - I love this guy. Definitely would rather watch him play than McLemore. But will his Old School game translate to the new NBA paradigm? He surely fits on the D side, but his offensive game looks an awful lot like Hendo's.

Ben McLemore - I'm not as worried as everyone else about him "disappearing" at times, unless it is due to a diminished BBIQ, because BBIQ is beginning to look as important as a 3 pt stroke. Rather, I wonder if he's too unidimensional. Kind of the anti-Olidipo. Can this guy play D?

Nerlens Noel - His nickname should be "2.9". This guy's perfect. (but only if the future of his knee is endorsed by Dr. James Andrews)

What do other people think?
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Post#9 » by Kembastockton » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:46 pm

So, do the Cats re-evaluate their roster based on this? Really raises the question, with Offenses and Defenses becoming more systematic and more strategic, can you still evaluate players based on skill and talent alone?

For instance:

Hendo - the guy's been great for the last month. But, his style bloodlines run from MJ to Kobe, not Lebron. With 3&D SGs more necessary in the new NBA, do the Cats ante up for an old school Hendo?

I think that the bobcats need to resign him modestly with the agreement that he is to assume a Tony Allen type role off the Bench.

Kemba - there's no denying he can score with the best and is hugely likable. But, driving to the hoop versus the 2.9 is no longer a formula for winning. Driving to facilitate is the new paradigm. Should the Cats recognize this now and offer Kemba to ORL, NO, UTA for their pick + a player (ex ORL #1 + Kyle O'Quinn?), then draft Marcus Smart as the new prototype PG (ala Lebron)?

No Kemba is to good at to many things. We groom MKG to assume a Lebronesque role for this team.

Jeffery Taylor - as weak as he has looked at times late in the season, isn't he today's prototypical SG? At 23 and 6'7 isn't it worth waiting for him to gain confidence and experience to become a valuable 3&D SG?

Ben McLemore

Victor Olidipo - I love this guy. Definitely would rather watch him play than McLemore. But will his Old School game translate to the new NBA paradigm? He surely fits on the D side, but his offensive game looks an awful lot like Hendo's.

Love him as well, but unless we are letting Hendo go he is not needed. If we draft a two it needs to be the one with the automatic three point shot.

Ben McLemore - I'm not as worried as everyone else about him "disappearing" at times, unless it is due to a diminished BBIQ, because BBIQ is beginning to look as important as a 3 pt stroke. Rather, I wonder if he's too unidimensional. Kind of the anti-Olidipo. Can this guy play D?

He is an elite level athlete who averaged 5 rebounds, a steal, and almost a block this season as a freshman. I think he has nice defensive potential.

Nerlens Noel - His nickname should be "2.9". This guy's perfect. (but only if the future of his knee is endorsed by Dr. James Andrews)-

And in that lies the problem. Will he be able to play with the same passion and physicality that he displayed at Kentucky this year? Without it he is just another tall guy with a funny haircut.
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Post#10 » by MPM » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:44 pm

One only need look at the talented, and much travelled, Mr. Day to see what a dose of passing and BBIQ can do for a team. Or for that matter, Tyrus, Hendo, or BG, to see how lack of passing can kill an offense.

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