Rhymes with Nintendo - The Gerald Henderson Thread

[countryboi]

https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/320704919856369664

A little consolation for the Brook Lopez debacle.

People forget that the bobcats wanted Williams..everyone on this board wanted Williams..hell I was pissed when the nets drafted Williams. Man I was very very wrong Williams is awful

[Elden Payton]

I wanted Earl Clark...

Damn.

[Bomber]

Im also the exception to the rule.
I was one of the few who REALLY wanted Henderson.

[Benjamin Linus]

Yeah, I was also on the Terrence Williams / Earl Clark bandwagon, was pretty indifferent to Henderson, and really did not want Hansbrough or Mullens.

Though, I remember being really high on just about all of the PGs that went afterward - Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Collison, and Beaubois and thought they were all being way undervalued. Had we not drafted Augustin the year before, I would have been happy with any of those guys at 12.

[raleigh]

A little late to this discussion, but there's no need to offer Henderson a five-year deal when no one else can. I'd offer 3yrs, $21M (a fair offer) and then wait to see if any team offers something closer to $35M over four years.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

^ Tood much IMHO.

[catch20two]

3-years/$20 million. No other team is going to offer him more than that unless they're totally desperate and ready to regret it in hindsight.

[Kembastockton]

Hendo is superior across the board--better defender, rebounder, passer, and shooter, and more efficient. More points per game =/= better player.

More importantly, though, DeRozan hasn't had a two-plus month stretch like the one Hendo is having. If he had, surely Raptors fans would be more optimistic about him.

Once again all that is debatable. Gerald has shot better this year, but other than that their stats are to close to say one is better than the other.

A little late to this discussion, but there's no need to offer Henderson a five-year deal when no one else can. I'd offer 3yrs, $21M (a fair offer) and then wait to see if any team offers something closer to $35M over four years.

The reason would be loyalty.

[thruthefire]

Hendo has a higher rebound percentage, higher assist percentage, higher true shooting percentage, higher steal rate and block rate, and a lower turnover percentage. I don't find their stats to be all that similar.

[Kembastockton]

I don't mess with those per stats. It only takes two seconds to think about it and realize that all of those stats are fool's gold. The stats that matter are the actual ones.

Gerald Henderson 12/13 season- 15.4ppg, .448% fg, .33% 3ptfg, .82% ft, 3.8 rbs., 2.5 assts, .5 blks, 1 stl, 1.5 to

Demar Derozan12/13 season- 17.6 ppg, .437%fg, .231% 3pfg, .82% ft, 4 rbs, 2.6 assts, .3blks, 1 stl, 1.9 to

Like I said aside from shooting and scoring the stats look pretty similar.

[thruthefire]

...and Monta Ellis was obviously as good as Dwyane Wade:

http://bkref.com/tiny/WBI8r

But again, more importantly, while DeRozan has been consistently mediocre, Hendo has been in the conversation for second-best SG in the East since February.

[Eoghan]

We can get away with paying Hendo less b/c Hendo knows he can supplement his income by taking MJ's money on the golf course.

[JT2006]

I don't mess with those per stats. It only takes two seconds to think about it and realize that all of those stats are fool's gold. The stats that matter are the actual ones.

Gerald Henderson 12/13 season- 15.4ppg, .448% fg, .33% 3ptfg, .82% ft, 3.8 rbs., 2.5 assts, .5 blks, 1 stl, 1.5 to

Demar Derozan12/13 season- 17.6 ppg, .437%fg, .231% 3pfg, .82% ft, 4 rbs, 2.6 assts, .3blks, 1 stl, 1.9 to

Like I said aside from shooting and scoring the stats look pretty similar.

gerald is less likely to turn the ball over, more likely to make a good pass, more likely to get a rebound, and more likely to make a three pointer. what's fools gold about that?

[raleigh]

I don't mess with those per stats. It only takes two seconds to think about it and realize that all of those stats are fool's gold.

That's quite sad, really. Are you at least open to understanding why most of the better posters on RealGM consider per possession stats more accurate than box score stats?

[Elden Payton]

I don't mess with those per stats. It only takes two seconds to think about it and realize that all of those stats are fool's gold. The stats that matter are the actual ones.

Gerald Henderson 12/13 season- 15.4ppg, .448% fg, .33% 3ptfg, .82% ft, 3.8 rbs., 2.5 assts, .5 blks, 1 stl, 1.5 to

Demar Derozan12/13 season- 17.6 ppg, .437%fg, .231% 3pfg, .82% ft, 4 rbs, 2.6 assts, .3blks, 1 stl, 1.9 to

Like I said aside from shooting and scoring the stats look pretty similar.

gerald is less likely to turn the ball over, more likely to make a good pass, more likely to get a rebound, and more likely to make a three pointer. what's fools gold about that?

Well said.

[raleigh]

^ Tood much IMHO.

I think it's "just right," personally. Here's why:

It's just a bit more per year than Gerald could get on a three-year MLE deal. (I'm assuming the MLE will not skyrocket past $6.5M next year). So, it tips a cap to "loyalty" (MountBiyombo) without being unreasonable. (The extent of loyalty due to a guard from the team with one of the worst two-year stints in NBA history is not THAT great).

Next, Gerald can go solicit MLE offers from better teams, but know that a four-year deal is likely to be less per year than the $7M deal you just offered him. So, if he signs a deal for 4yrs, $25M, you match it instantly and don't look back.

Now, if a team wants to go Colangelo and offer him a deal well above the MLE, then all bets are off anyway. He's not irreplaceable.

[vorbis]

^ Tood much IMHO.

I think it's "just right," personally. Here's why:

It's just a bit more per year than Gerald could get on a three-year MLE deal. (I'm assuming the MLE will not skyrocket past $6.5M next year). So, it tips a cap to "loyalty" (MountBiyombo) without being unreasonable. (The extent of loyalty due to a guard from the team with one of the worst two-year stints in NBA history is not THAT great).

Next, Gerald can go solicit MLE offers from better teams, but know that a four-year deal is likely to be less per year than the $7M deal you just offered him. So, if he signs a deal for 4yrs, $25M, you match it instantly and don't look back.

Now, if a team wants to go Colangelo and offer him a deal well above the MLE, then all bets are off anyway. He's not irreplaceable.

i think that is a wise approach, good thinking. something tells me, knowing the bobcats, they won't be that assertive and will let him shop around first, which could throw a monkeywrench in the plans.

[Kembastockton]

I don't mess with those per stats. It only takes two seconds to think about it and realize that all of those stats are fool's gold.

That's quite sad, really. Are you at least open to understanding why most of the better posters on RealGM consider per possession stats more accurate than box score stats?

That is some serious Sheldon Cooper logic cuz. The experts don't even make their decisions based solely on per stats. If there was a single set of stats you could look at to know who the best players are then there would never be any draft busts or players who fail to live up to their new contract. Per stats draw for conclusion. Player personalities and team situations play to much of a factor in their performance to accept per stats as gospel. As player and team situations change all stats are volatile.

So like I said to begin with, to say a player who is the second leading scorer on the worst team in the nba is a better player than a higher scorer on a better team based solely on per stats is debateable. Hendo has been playing great, but it has only been for the last couple months of his contract year. Meanwhile Demar who is two years younger and two inches taller has been carrying Toronto's scoring load all season. Sure we all like Hendo, but let's be realistic. This Hendo/Derozan debate is a case and point of why per stats are not absolute.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

^ Tood much IMHO.

I think it's "just right," personally. Here's why:

It's just a bit more per year than Gerald could get on a three-year MLE deal. (I'm assuming the MLE will not skyrocket past $6.5M next year). So, it tips a cap to "loyalty" (MountBiyombo) without being unreasonable. (The extent of loyalty due to a guard from the team with one of the worst two-year stints in NBA history is not THAT great).

Next, Gerald can go solicit MLE offers from better teams, but know that a four-year deal is likely to be less per year than the $7M deal you just offered him. So, if he signs a deal for 4yrs, $25M, you match it instantly and don't look back.

Now, if a team wants to go Colangelo and offer him a deal well above the MLE, then all bets are off anyway. He's not irreplaceable.

In isolation that sounds great. Salary cap wise it's problematic. Those MLE deals are right behind max deals to undeserving players that give teams salary issues. With the cap getting more punitive the Bobcats would lose a lot of flexibility giving HendoCat $7 mil a year. Later on that 7 mil would affect resigning other key players, getting free agents, and more.

I’m totally with you in that if we judge by the old CBA that your reasoning is sound. It’s a different world in the NBA now.

[countryboi]

Wolves Covet 'Quality' Shooting Guard

Minnesota Timberwolves coach Rick Adelman says that finding a "quality" shooting guard will be one of the team's top offseason priorities.

"That's something we'll really have to look around for," Adelman said. "It's too hard to play point guards at that spot. Luke (Ridnour) is overmatched all the time playing bigger two-guards. We have to find a way to get more size there."

The Timberwolves signed Brandon Roy this past offseason in hopes that the injury-plagued guard could resurrect his career, but knee issues have kept him sidelined for most of the year.

sounds like henderson to me