OT: Carlos Quentin breaks Zack Greinke's collarbone

[GP2]

Quentin is notoriously known for crowding the plate. He's been hit the most times in the majors over the past couple years. That, coupled with it being a 1 run game on a full count...Is his ego that big to think it was intentional? Idiotic.

[Schad]

The fact that they threw at Kemp's head earlier in the game.

3-2 fastball likely wouldn't be the means by which they sought retribution, though. Beyond Quentin's positioning in the box, the only reason that ball catches him is the serious tail on the pitch...it just kept moving, and thus Quentin didn't even really try to get out of the way of a pitch that wouldn't have required much effort to avoid. It's also a rather difficult thing to do intentionally.

[xAIRNESSx]

Don't know Grienke would try to collide head on with someone who has 40 pounds on him.

[bimmer]

I haven't seen any evidence that was the case -- what makes you think it was intentional?

The fact that they threw at Kemp's head earlier in the game.

I guess, but given the circumstances of the game it would be really, really weird for Greinke to choose to hit him there.

Yeah... 3-2 count with no outs in a 1 run ball game isn't really the ideal time to plunk somebody. Pretty sure it was unintentional.

[Avenger]

Don't know Grienke would try to collide head on with someone who has 40 pounds on him.

This arugment is hilarious, we're not blaming the douchebag that picked out someone 40 pounds lighter than him but we're blaming the guy who wanted nothing to do with the fight. What did you want Grienke to do, if he retreated and ran away people would be ridiculing him(theyalready use his history with depression to call him a sissy) and i thought fans pay to watch Grienke pitch not be a self defence expert of some kind.

[xAIRNESSx]

Don't know Grienke would try to collide head on with someone who has 40 pounds on him.

This arugment is hilarious, we're not blaming the douchebag that picked out someone 40 pounds lighter than him but we're blaming the guy who wanted nothing to do with the fight. What did you want Grienke to do, if he retreated and ran away people would be ridiculing him(theyalready use his history with depression to call him a sissy) and i thought fans pay to watch Grienke pitch not be a self defence expert of some kind.

It's not an argument. It's an observation...

A lot of professional athletes back off when a bigger guy wants to pick a fight with them. Rarely are they ridiculed for this.

[Geddy]

I hate fighting in sports but Greinke knew what he was getting into when he threw down his glove. Brawls happen in baseball now and then and this is the first one in memory where a star player has gotten seriously injured through it. Suspending him for the same length as the injury would have been pointless and set a dumb precedent.

[Ado05]

I was seriously lol'ing at Greinke. What the hell was he trying to do when Quintin started to charge him. Gave me a good chuckle.

Dont think it was done purpose. I believe it was 2-1 game, so obviously Greinke isnt going to just let a guy get on base.

[Harry Palmer]

I was seriously lol'ing at Greinke. What the hell was he trying to do when Quintin started to charge him. Gave me a good chuckle.

Either he's an inept boxer, or he WAS thinking. He protects his pitching arm, which is unnatural (for rh'ers to line up in orthodox stance).

[b0na f1de]

I was seriously lol'ing at Greinke. What the hell was he trying to do when Quintin started to charge him. Gave me a good chuckle.

Either he's an inept boxer, or he WAS thinking. He protects his pitching arm, which is unnatural (for rh'ers to line up in orthodox stance).

Unnatural?

[Harry Palmer]

Yeah, probably worded it too strongly. But the degree to which he completely closes out his dominant hand means, at least to me, that he was obviously thinking primarily about protecting it.

[Schad]

I was seriously lol'ing at Greinke. What the hell was he trying to do when Quintin started to charge him. Gave me a good chuckle.

I think that he was thinking that a bump would prevent Quentin from tackling him or getting off a few punches before 20 people swarmed in to break things up. And that part of it worked...avoiding injury while doing so, not so much.

[torontoaces04]

This is far from over, and if Quentin doesn't receive what the Dodgers feel is "fair punishment", it could get REALLY ugly. These teams play a 3-game series starting Monday...at Dodger Stadium.

My 2 cents:

Carlos Quentin is well known around baseball for crowding the plate. Furthermore, he also has a reputation for leaning into pitches, in order to get on base. I believe it was a 3-2 count, in a 2-1 ballgame......anyone who knows the first thing about baseball knows you never are trying to hit a guy there. It's late in the game, with a 1 run lead, the last thing you want is a go-ahead run coming to the plate. Clearly Greinke lost control of a pitch, and did not intend on hitting Quentin. If the Dodgers were up 6-1, and the scenario was the same...completely different story.

Considering the fact that Quentin thuggishly charged the mound, and subsequently injured Greinke in a situation that he otherwise would not have been in, he should sit until Greinke pitches his first game back. I say this even though I am a HUGE supporter of violence in sports. Violence in sports is one thing, but fighting in sports is another, and should require 2 willing combatants. IMO, this is right up there with Bertuzzi's sucker-punch of Steve Moore.

[Harry Palmer]

Emotionally speaking, linking the suspension with the length of injury feels right, but I think it's an incredibly problematic precedent to set.

[b0na f1de]

Yeah, probably worded it too strongly. But the degree to which he completely closes out his dominant hand means, at least to me, that he was obviously thinking primarily about protecting it.

Oh I agree. What I meant was, unnatural for a righty to be in an orthodox stance?

[Ado05]

He got 8 games.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... ght-games/