Lakers FTA advantage since March

bebit · Post #21 » by **bebit** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:49 pm

Compare those stats to the same stats for jazz starting from march.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #22 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:51 pm

ndnow wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Dwight takes 9.4 FTA
Kobe takes 8.0 FTA

When you have 2 guys who have historically gotten to the line alot, what exactly do you expect? These guys get teams into the penalty, which leads to FTs on any kind of foul. You also have the Hack-a-Dwight factor which has been employed multiple times in March. Teams shoot fewer FTs because Dwight's in the middle(in a league with weak big men), and LA is slow at rotating,and slow in transition defense, so they're not even in the position to foul. The 7 man rotation where these guys play heavy minutes also magnifies the effect.

But seriously, cry some more. How ironic for a Spurs fan to post this, when people have claimed this against them for years and called them the Sterns. You should know better than to buy into this conspiracy crap.

There are many more teams in the league that have players who get to the line as much if not more. Miami is an easy example as is okc.

If Lebron/Wade were playing heavy minutes in a 7 man rotation in heavily contested games, then yes, you would have the same thing. If there was a hack-a-Bron then you would have the same effect.

Jazzfan12 · Post #23 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:53 pm

The Lakers' free throw advantage comes from the fact that the last two Lakers teams have given up the fewest free throws of any team in NBA history, it doesn't have as much to do with intentionally fouling Dwight.

Whether that's reffing bias or scheme is up to you to decide I guess, but it's weird how all the focus is just on free throws drawn when they aren't giving up any free throws.

Leto · Post #24 » by **Leto** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:56 pm

Bias does not equal conspiracy. They are mutually exclusive. So, just because someone points out bias does not mean they think its a conspiracy.

There is no doubt the Lakers have gotten the benefit of calls in the last month--at least--starting with the hack by Kobe on Rubio that the league had to apologize for. Its been game after game of this BS and I really don't think the Lakers would be in any position to make the playoffs if not for crappy/biased officiating. Last night's game was no different.

blazerparty2010 · Post #25 » by **blazerparty2010** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:33 pm

There is no doubt that the league is trying to get the Lakers in the playoffs. Disgusting. The NBA is a joke of a league.

spudwebb · Post #26 » by **spudwebb** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:41 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:But seriously, cry some more. How ironic for a Spurs fan to post this, when people have claimed this against them for years and called them the Sterns. You should know better than to buy into this conspiracy crap.

It's not Spurs fans, or Jazz fans, or Warriors fans or Wolves fans, etc.

Teams are getting robbed. A .500 team is suddenly leading the league in FTA while Utah goes to the bottom. Game after game, people are posting videos and highlight play after play where Lakers are getting phantom calls while opponents are not getting obvious fouls in crucial minutes.

It's not crying, it's about the fact that the NBA's interest to push the Lakers into the playoffs is killing the integrity of the game.

cs hauser · Post #27 » by **cs hauser** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:44 pm

I still think it's hilarious that Harrison Barnes was called for a foul when Kobe fell down because of a snapped Achilles tendon.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #28 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:48 pm

spudwebb wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:But seriously, cry some more. How ironic for a Spurs fan to post this, when people have claimed this against them for years and called them the Sterns. You should know better than to buy into this conspiracy crap.

It's not Spurs fans, or Jazz fans, or Warriors fans or Wolves fans, etc.

Teams are getting robbed. A .500 team is suddenly leading the league in FTA while Utah goes to the bottom. Game after game, people are posting videos and highlight play after play where Lakers are getting phantom calls while opponents are not getting obvious fouls in crucial minutes.

It's not crying, it's about the fact that the NBA's interest to push the Lakers into the playoffs is killing the integrity of the game.

No it's crying. People starting doing the hack-a-Dwight again in March. Kobe's minutes skyrocketed in March. This isn't hard to figure out.

if Stern wanted LA in the playoffs, then he would be screwing over GS & HOU. People are forgetting that Utah was free falling until the last few weeks or so, and just playing horrible ball. Lakers were battling for a #6 seed until Kobe hurt his ankle a few weeks back, so Houston/GS would have been the target.

TheRealistGM · Post #29 » by **TheRealistGM** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:54 pm

theokie wrote:Theres are dozens of better explanations than "CONSPIRACY" you guys

Its easy to just look at box scores, but be honest with yourself, how many times this year have you actually sat down and watched an entire Laker game? Outside of Laker fans, probably less than 10, 5, maybe just one? Ive tuned into plenty of 4th quarters in close games, but actually devoting an entire 2.5 hours to watching LA play some random team, probably not too many people have done more than a couple times outside of Laker fans.

The lakers are one of the most nationally televised teams in the league along with the thunder and the heat. I'd reckon that most people that post on this board have seen a good chunk of laker games.

spudwebb · Post #30 » by **spudwebb** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:56 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
spudwebb wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:But seriously, cry some more. How ironic for a Spurs fan to post this, when people have claimed this against them for years and called them the Sterns. You should know better than to buy into this conspiracy crap.

It's not Spurs fans, or Jazz fans, or Warriors fans or Wolves fans, etc.

Teams are getting robbed. A .500 team is suddenly leading the league in FTA while Utah goes to the bottom. Game after game, people are posting videos and highlight play after play where Lakers are getting phantom calls while opponents are not getting obvious fouls in crucial minutes.

It's not crying, it's about the fact that the NBA's interest to push the Lakers into the playoffs is killing the integrity of the game.

No it's crying. People starting doing the hack-a-Dwight again in March. Kobe's minutes skyrocketed in March. This isn't hard to figure out..

Yeah, hack a Dwight and the refs send Blake to the free throw line :lol:

I think fans that are claiming that the Lakers are winning this fair and square are the ones who are crying. People are pointing out stats, replay videos, etc that show that the Lakers are winning because there is a mandate to push them to the playoffs. But Lakers fans are like "Mommy, they're saying we're cheating but we won fair and square."

Effigy · Post #31 » by **Effigy** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:57 pm

Honestly, after what happened to Kobe last night, why are people still talking about this? The Laker season is over. They might make the playoffs, they might not, but it's over for them, who cares?

Inevitable · Post #32 » by **Inevitable** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:58 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFkmoyuIwI

Tubal · Post #33 » by **Tubal** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:04 pm

Leto wrote:Bias does not equal conspiracy. They are mutually exclusive. So, just because someone points out bias does not mean they think its a conspiracy.

There is no doubt the Lakers have gotten the benefit of calls in the last month--at least--starting with the hack by Kobe on Rubio that the league had to apologize for. Its been game after game of this BS and I really don't think the Lakers would be in any position to make the playoffs if not for crappy/biased officiating. Last night's game was no different.

If it was just lakers getting more calls, you could claim bias.

But if you add the Jazz (the other team trying to get the 8th and final spot) and the fact that they have 10 less FTA per game than their season average the last 2 weeks, it's conspiracy.

cs hauser · Post #34 » by **cs hauser** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:06 pm

Effigy wrote:Honestly, after what happened to Kobe last night, why are people still talking about this? The Laker season is over. They might make the playoffs, they might not, but it's over for them, who cares?

So what if the Lakers' season is over? NBA games are still being played. Players still won't be able to breath on Durant without being penalized. Witness LeBron miraculously play 10 games of stingy defense without getting called for a single foul. Watch CP3 flop his way to a gazillion free throws.

In other words, it's business as usual for the league. The Lakers' season may be over, but the BS officiating goes on.

Grammer Nazi · Post #35 » by **Grammer Nazi** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:07 pm

Does anyone know what were the Orlando Magic's team FT differential when Dwight was a player there?

richboy · Post #36 » by **richboy** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:12 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:
Flash3 wrote:They do have Dwight who is horrible beyond comparison so teams are and will foul Dwight more which leads into the stat.

1. The fact that they have Dwight and that he gets fouled more doesn't explain away the fact that their opposition has shot under their expected FTA/G in 19 of 21 games.
2. Lots of teams have good scorers who are bad at the stripe and yet the advantage the lakers are getting at the stripe over the last 1/4 of the season is basically unprecedented.

Well wouldn't i have to have the numbers on Dwight Howard intentional fouls for any of this to be important. It isn't like just one or two teams are doing it. It is a daily thing.

Your first point makes zero sense. First despite popular belief Dwight is still a beast on defense and should be a DPOY candidate on how he effects the Lakers defense. Just like was stated at the sloan conference Dwight in the game has as much impact on in the paint shots as anything. Just like watch last night game and see David Lee suddenly playing like a stretch 4 until the few minutes Dwight was gone.

Even more so some teams foul and some teams dont. Phoenix suns a few years ago I believe broke the record for fewest fouls during the year. By your logic the Suns I guess were being helped by the refs. No it was actually a combination of bad defense and coaching philosophy. Guess who coaches the Lakers.

richboy · Post #37 » by **richboy** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:15 pm

Grammer Nazi wrote:Does anyone know what were the Orlando Magic's team FT differential when Dwight was a player there?

Dwight was the only player on the Magic capable of going to the line. With him gone I think they are close to a record for lowest amount of free throw attempts during the year. The league must be trying to keep the Magic down.

IamBBAnalysis · Post #38 » by **IamBBAnalysis** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:15 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:
Flash3 wrote:They do have Dwight who is horrible beyond comparison so teams are and will foul Dwight more which leads into the stat.

1. The fact that they have Dwight and that he gets fouled more doesn't explain away the fact that their opposition has shot under their expected FTA/G in 19 of 21 games.
2. Lots of teams have good scorers who are bad at the stripe and yet the advantage the lakers are getting at the stripe over the last 1/4 of the season is basically unprecedented.

The Lakers don't foul much...they play terrible defense instead. And Dwight/Kobe get to the line a lot and they are playing more inside then they were early in the season.

IamBBAnalysis · Post #39 » by **IamBBAnalysis** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:18 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
Flash3 wrote:They do have Dwight who is horrible beyond comparison so teams are and will foul Dwight more which leads into the stat.

1. The fact that they have Dwight and that he gets fouled more doesn't explain away the fact that their opposition has shot under their expected FTA/G in 19 of 21 games.
2. Lots of teams have good scorers who are bad at the stripe and yet the advantage the lakers are getting at the stripe over the last 1/4 of the season is basically unprecedented.

lakers give up more open jumpers than any time ive ever seen in nba history. we are a horrible defense. easy layups when dwight is out too and even sometimes when dwight gets lost.

Bingo. This run of no fouls also correlates to the Lakers "even worse then usual" defense. Teams get open looks and the Lakers do not play aggressive defense (in your face) like other teams. Wow, you people are clueless.

sp6r=underrated · Post #40 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:20 pm

Again this isn't a minor difference. This is the LARGEST DIFFERENCE IN NBA HISTORY over the last 21 games and it involves a completely mediocre .500 team. Lots of teams have had big men who can't shoot free throws and a jump shooting perimeter player, which is what Kobe is. None of them have come to what LAL has gotten since their joke of a playoff push.