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Two Point Guard revolution: the new building block of Magic?

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Re: Two Point Guard revolution: the new building block of Ma 

Post#21 » by RapHippy » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:54 pm

drsd wrote:
RapHippy wrote:I don't like 2PG but there are teams taht have 2 pg line ups and are playoff teams.

Chicago and the Knicks are on right now, they both play 2PGs even though they have 2 guards.


Two PGs, two SFs, and one center seems like a very unbalanced roster. Whaat might make more sense if Harris becomes the primary ball handler is for the Magic to not have a PG at all. Let's say the Magic draft McLemore, this will be an interesting lineup for Coach Vaughn to test: Afflalo (SG), McLemore (SG), Harkless (SF), Harris (point-forward), Vučević (C). Another roster could be Afflalo (SG), Harkless (SF), Harris (point-forward), Davis (PF), Vučević (C). The second roster in particular has much improved defense over what is going on with the current Magic rotation.

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Could be possible if we have a coach who can execute it well. However, I don't think Harris has the ball handling skills to be the primary ball handler. I'm also not a fan of Mclemore as he has almost no play making skills despite his average ball handling.
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Re: Two Point Guard revolution: the new building block of Ma 

Post#22 » by G-Heel » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:10 am

drsd wrote:
Cigamodnalro wrote:I like the idea of a 3 SF lineup better ;)

Smart/Harkless/Wiggins/Harris/Vucevic


What is interesting about this roster is that Harris might be the primary ball handler.

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You really think so? What the point having a SF/PF as the primary ball handler? You guys are overrating Harris's handle here, it's decent but nowhere elite enough to handle the ball more than a few possessions in a game. Let him be the primary ball handler he'll avg 10 TO a game, guarantee.
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Re: Two Point Guard revolution: the new building block of Ma 

Post#23 » by MasterGMer » Tue May 27, 2014 4:57 am

Can a 2-Point Guard Backcourt Actually Work in the NBA?

"While the traditional backcourt of a point guard and shooting guard remains the most common lineup utilized, teams such as the Los Angeles Clippers and Minnesota Timberwolves have begun to adopt a new system. Rather than signing a conventional shooting guard, the franchises have opted to run with a two-point guard system, thus enabling the teams to look to multiple players at once for both ball-handling and facilitating."

It was used before when Chuck Daly-led Detroit Pistons paired Isiah Thomas with Joe Dumars.

However, two point guard system has been widely criticized. How to guard a bigger and stronger 2 guard while maintaining the offensive output? The NBA 2 guard position has an average 6'3-6'6 height, while a PG would be quite shorter.

"Over the past 10 seasons, the San Antonio Spurs have won three NBA titles and have made it out of the first round of the postseason in all but one year. One of the major reasons for this consistent string of success is the backcourt pairing of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili."

"Although Ginobili is considered to be an elite shooting guard, his greatest skill is his outstanding ball-handling. Paired with his point guard-caliber passing, the Spurs have become the quintessential dual point guard success story."

Back to my understanding, I have seen so many thread and post about Point Guard play or combo guard. The revolution of modern basketball really eliminate the traditional view of position. What is position? Is it all about matchup? Or is it all about size. What is a "point"? Is it playmaking ability or it is ball handling. To me, I've gotten so many different definitions from RealGM Magic posters. To me, definitions are clear and simple. It is all about skill set and matchup. It doesn't really matter a 6'5 Ball handler like Marcus Smart, as long he has the quickness and speed then he can be considered "1". It is all about matchup also. If his size can maintain the skill set. Then he is a legit ball player at NBA level.

"Other examples include the pairing of Kenny Smith and Clyde Drexler for the 1995 Houston Rockets and Jason Kidd with Jason Terry for the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. Unfortunately, we once again find that the the dual ball-handler system was not these championship-winning teams' greatest strength"

"For that reason, it's clear what the key to a two-point guard set truly is: At least one guard listed must be either an elite scorer or defender."

Back to Magic, can Orlando spark the revolution of basketball and stand on the edge of future?
Here is my proposal:

Plan A: Draft Marcus Smart or Exum

Plan B: Draft Aaron Gordon and Nik Stauskas at 12 and develop Stauskas to a Point Guard

Plan C: Trade for JLin + Parsons or Deron Williams. Deron Williams desperately wants out of Brooklyn. Rockets want Carmelo. They can't afford Jeremy Lin and Parsons.

That is all in the case Magic couldn't trade up and grab Wiggins. Even Wiggins or Parker somehow slide to 4, Magic can still root for Tyler Enis or Stauskas type of player at 12.

Or After 4th pick and 12th pick, Magic trade for Rajon Rondo and try to make the playoff 2014-2015 season.

Just my point of view.
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Re: Two Point Guard revolution: the new building block of Ma 

Post#24 » by Devin 1L » Tue May 27, 2014 5:48 am

To avoid confusion, start over.

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