Rhymes with Nintendo - The Gerald Henderson Thread

[catch20two]

sounds like henderson to me

sounds like Derrick Williams to me

[Elden Payton]

Minny is the answer for Hendo imo, something involving Derrick Williams has been discussed for a season and a half.

[Elden Payton]

LOL, good call Catch.

[catch20two]

If we can pull off a Hendo for Derrick Williams swap then we could draft McLemore or Oladipo. Maybe even Smart if he can prove during pre-draft workouts that he's a capable SG which is what I'm leaning towards and hoping.

[Elden Payton]

Charlotte trade:

Gerald Henderson- 5 years 30 million structured as 4m/5m/6m/7m/8m
Jeffery Taylor

Minnesota Trade:

Derrick Williams

Why?

This trade gives Hendo his best opportunity to reach his potential as a third option on a playoff team and gives Williams the opportunity to even get the chance to reach his ceiling.

Kemba/McLemore/Gilchrist/Williams/Biyombo

This is an extremely balanced lineup with an extremely high ceiling.

[HornetJail]

I don't think Williams is the answer if we have to trade Hendo to do it. I know I was advocating this a few months ago when Gerald wasn't playing as well, but Williams hasn't exactly impressed in Love's absence, I was expecting a lot more. I wouldn't trade them straight up, and I wouldn't trade Taylor as extra filler.

Gerald Henderson- 5 years 30 million structured as 4m/5m/6m/7m/8m

Those are 25% raises, we're allowed to offer up to 7.5% raises, so that's not even a legal contract. If he would sign for 5/30, I'd rather just keep him for ourselves, 6M/yr a bargain.

We could probably get Williams by trading down in this draft, without even trading Hendo. You think they'd bite on a pick swap (they've got what, the 9th pick?) with maybe Taylor added in for Williams?

[Elden Payton]

I'd rather give up the PDX first than trade out of the top four in this draft.

I thought the raises rule was changed ala Lin+Asik deals?

[Kembastockton]

Wolves Covet 'Quality' Shooting Guard

Minnesota Timberwolves coach Rick Adelman says that finding a "quality" shooting guard will be one of the team's top offseason priorities.

"That's something we'll really have to look around for," Adelman said. "It's too hard to play point guards at that spot. Luke (Ridnour) is overmatched all the time playing bigger two-guards. We have to find a way to get more size there."

The Timberwolves signed Brandon Roy this past offseason in hopes that the injury-plagued guard could resurrect his career, but knee issues have kept him sidelined for most of the year.

sounds like henderson to me

Sounds like Henderson, OJ Mayo, Tony Allen, Lance Stephenson, Willie Green, Monte Ellis, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Tyreke Evans, and a bunch of other people.

[HornetJail]

I think they go after Ellis or Mayo before Henderson. They need an explosive scorer. I think a pure scorer versus a do-it-all player like Hendo is what they need. They already have Kirilenko, Rubio, Love, and Pekovic doing everything else. Ellis or Mayo fits right in next to Rubio IMO. Redick would be a solid fit with his shooting too.

[countryboi]

Wolves Covet 'Quality' Shooting Guard

Minnesota Timberwolves coach Rick Adelman says that finding a "quality" shooting guard will be one of the team's top offseason priorities.

"That's something we'll really have to look around for," Adelman said. "It's too hard to play point guards at that spot. Luke (Ridnour) is overmatched all the time playing bigger two-guards. We have to find a way to get more size there."

The Timberwolves signed Brandon Roy this past offseason in hopes that the injury-plagued guard could resurrect his career, but knee issues have kept him sidelined for most of the year.

sounds like henderson to me

Sounds like Henderson, OJ Mayo, Tony Allen, Lance Stephenson, Willie Green, Monte Ellis, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Tyreke Evans, and a bunch of other people.

Henderson is better than that whole list the only two that are debatable are Mayo and Ellis

[James Gatz]

Sounds like Henderson, OJ Mayo, Tony Allen, Lance Stephenson, Willie Green, Monte Ellis, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Tyreke Evans, and a bunch of other people.

Henderson is better than that whole list the only two that are debatable are Mayo and Ellis

Eh. I would argue that Mayo, Allen, Ellis, Reddick, Evans have more value.

Evan's definitely http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=hendege02&y1=2013&p2=evansty01&y2=2013

Better numbers than Hendo across the board and he's two years younger. Even better 3PT% with more makes.

[countryboi]

Sounds like Henderson, OJ Mayo, Tony Allen, Lance Stephenson, Willie Green, Monte Ellis, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Tyreke Evans, and a bunch of other people.

Henderson is better than that whole list the only two that are debatable are Mayo and Ellis

Eh. I would argue that Mayo, Allen, Ellis, Reddick, Evans have more value.

Evan's definitely http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=hendege02&y1=2013&p2=evansty01&y2=2013

Better numbers than Hendo across the board and he's two years younger. Even better 3PT% with more makes.

it looks to me like their stats are pretty similar and Henderson did all this without being a complete ball stopper.

[Kembastockton]

Sounds like Henderson, OJ Mayo, Tony Allen, Lance Stephenson, Willie Green, Monte Ellis, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Tyreke Evans, and a bunch of other people.

Henderson is better than that whole list the only two that are debatable are Mayo and Ellis

Eh. I would argue that Mayo, Allen, Ellis, Reddick, Evans have more value.

Evan's definitely http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=hendege02&y1=2013&p2=evansty01&y2=2013

Better numbers than Hendo across the board and he's two years younger. Even better 3PT% with more makes.

it looks to me like their stats are pretty similar and Henderson did all this without being a complete ball stopper.

Hendo is two years older. Their stats shouldn't be similar if you want to give him the nod. When the stats are similar you give the nod to the younger player. Hendo is an average nba shooting guard. Maybe slightly above above average, but Hendo is as far away from Kobe as he is from Rasual Butler.

[James Gatz]

it looks to me like their stats are pretty similar and Henderson did all this without being a complete ball stopper.

Evans scored the same more efficiently along with having more rebounds, assits, and steals. He's not a great player but Evans has had a good season overall. Definitely improved playing offball offensively.

[catch20two]

I had no idea that Tyreke Evans was playing more efficient than Hendo. Thanks for the post James Gatz. Evans also sports a lesser usage percentage than Hendo for those who want to call him a massive ball stopper. Hendo has grown on me and I want to extend him but is there anyway we could go after Evans instead?

[James Gatz]

Hendo has grown on me and I want to extend him but is there anyway we could go after Evans instead?

I'd be surprised if we did. He has the same problems that Hendo has in terms of spacing. He will also most likely come at a higher price tag. I hope he gets out of SAC.

[catch20two]

Hendo has grown on me and I want to extend him but is there anyway we could go after Evans instead?

I'd be surprised if we did. He has the same problems that Hendo has in terms of spacing. He will also most likely come at a higher price tag. I hope he gets out of SAC.

I like Evans' ball handling and playmaking ability alongside Kemba. The spacing is a concern but looking at the numbers obviously Evans has made himself somewhat dependable from beyond the arc. I could see Evans getting a light price tag similar to what Mayo received being that he's a unproven commodity that I doubt anybody would want to break the bank over with the new CBA.

[Kembastockton]

Hendo has grown on me and I want to extend him but is there anyway we could go after Evans instead?

I'd be surprised if we did. He has the same problems that Hendo has in terms of spacing. He will also most likely come at a higher price tag. I hope he gets out of SAC.

I like Evans' ball handling and playmaking ability alongside Kemba. The spacing is a concern but looking at the numbers obviously Evans has made himself somewhat dependable from beyond the arc. I could see Evans getting a light price tag similar to what Mayo received being that he's a unproven commodity that I doubt anybody would want to break the bank over with the new CBA.

There was a reason that the Cats haven't extended offers to Hendo and Mully yet. They know that with the new cba rules, and the amount of talent available mediocre players like these two will be at a huge disadvantage. Just like Augustine and Felton before him if Hendo leaves it will likely be for less money.

[fatlever]

i hope the bobcats keep this in mind when negotiating with hendo

taken from the grantland trade article

Kawhi Leonard, Gordon Hayward, Danny Green, Ryan Anderson: New post-lockout NBA reality no. 1: Defenses have become so sophisticated that you can't consistently score against good teams without nailing 3s. Nine of our top-10 teams in made 3s made the playoffs (sorry, Portland). Our four best teams (Miami, Oklahoma City, New York and San Antonio) rank second, third, fourth and fifth in 3-point percentage. These aren't coincidences. The smartest teams figured out how to game the system, and here's the reality: Three points are more than two points. Check out the 2003 Finals to see how much basketball has changed in 10 years. It's mildly incredible.6

New post-lockout NBA reality no. 2: You definitely shouldn't pay $8 million a year for non-impact perimeter players (Caron Butler alert!); you probably shouldn't pay $13 million a year for Luol Deng or Andre Iguodala (sorry, fellas); and you DEFINITELY shouldn't pay Rudy Gay $18 million a year unless you're forced to at gunpoint. There's too much available cheap perimeter labor for defense and 3s. Why pay Rudy Gay $18 million when you can pay Jimmy Butler $1.5 million? Why? WHYYYYYYY????? The one exception: Anderson, if only because I don't mind spending $8 million a year on someone who takes SEVEN 3s a game and makes 39 percent of them. He's an expensive luxury, but not prohibitively expensive.

Anyway, looking through the four drafts from 2008 to 2011: Anderson went 21st. Leonard went 15th. Hayward: ninth. Butler: 30th. Earl Clark: 14th. Chase Budinger: 44th. Klay Thompson: 11th. Chandler Parsons: 38th. Paul George: 10th. Wayne Ellington: 28th. Lance Stephenson: 40th. Danny Green: 46th. Nic Batum: 25th. Brandon Rush (out for the year, but still): 13th. I just listed 14 guys who could help anyone's 2013 playoff rotation if they were healthy; all make 3s except for Stephenson, and NONE were drafted in the top eight. Meanwhile, you have Toronto shelling out $23.1 million next year just for Gay and Landry Fields. Maybe it should use its fancy camera technology to capture the motions of a smart GM.

i would be nice to keep hendo around on a decent contract purely for the chemistry that he is building with kemba and mcbob, but we have to stay grounded.

[TheKingofSting]

Hendo said to WSOC TV tonight that he really wants to stay and hopefully they can reach an agreement. Kind of the standard line I know but I hope we keep him.