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Dumars / Frank Could Be Gone 

Post#1 » by Han Solo » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:40 pm

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/04/pist ... umars.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... 250?pgno=2

Mitch Lawrence of the New York Daily News:


It’s been a long run for team president Joe Dumars, but league sources say that Dumars’ reign will soon be coming to a close. Dumars is so entrenched and such an iconic figure from his playing days, we’ll believe it when we see it. But it sure sounds as if he’s on his way out, along with Lawrence Frank, who is finishing his second season as coach.

I’m posting this because it’s out there, not because I necessarily believe it. Even Lawrence hedges his bets by noting, despite his sources saying Joe Dumars and Lawrence Frank are out, he’s not certain.

A few of my New York-based friends were split on whether to trust this report, and I have mixed feelings as well.

Lawrence was plugged in during the Pistons coaching search, independently reported the Pistons hired Frank and broke news Frank hired Dee Brown as an assistant coach. He also had a source who knew Tom Gores’ thinking even before Gores bought the Pistons:


After Bill Davidson died in March, 2009, it was assumed that Karen Davidson would sell the team and the other entities. Because of the dire economic circumstances facing metropolitan Detroit, the four entities were expected to bring in at most $350 million. Another area businessman, Tom Gores, has been mentioned as a potential buyer, but he "was not even close to making a bid," said the league official.

Lawrence has been an NBA columnist for the Daily News since 1995, so his time in New York overlapped with Dave Checketts, who served as president of Madison Square Garden from 1994 to 2001. Checketts, if you don’t remember, was brought in by Gores as a consultant when he bought the team.

So, it’s certainly plausible Lawrence has sources who know Gores’ thinking.

It’s also certainly plausible Gores will fire Dumars and Frank.

Dumars has been on the job longer than any current general manager, save Sacramento’s Geoff Petrie and Utah’s Kevin O’Connor. Drafting Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond has given the Pistons a brighter future, and while Dumars deserves credit for those picks, he was certainly aided by teams ahead of Detroit foolishly passing on those two. Regardless of whether you believe Dumars should stay (as I do), it’s easy to build a compelling case he’s run his course.

Frank is a much simpler case, as coaches are more disposable. The Pistons have lost badly during his tenure, and unlike Dumars, Frank doesn’t have as strong a track record to fall back on.

If this is the end for both, the only surprise will be that Mitch Lawrence (sort of) broke the story.


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Post#2 » by StickAndMove » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:07 am

Wow...if this happened I would have much more hope that Gores knows what he's doing. He's young, and he's relatively rich, even by NBA owners' standards. So if he turns out to be a very competitive owner, that's just about the best thing that could happen for the Pistons' franchise. Because if that's the case, more than likely, the next thirty years would be under his ownership.
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Post#3 » by Paul Lord » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:44 am

What do you guys think of Jeff or Stan Van Gundy as replacements?
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Post#4 » by Goldtop » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:49 am

^Love either of them
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Post#5 » by Pharaoh » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:52 am

Not to beat a dead horse but:

It's obvious that Joe and Frank have to go.

Joe has done a good job cleaning up the mess he created but now with a solid foundation in place and more cap space than anyone else the time has come to hand over the reigns.

Joe was the GM of an Eastern Conference powerhouse... but all good things come to an end and IMO he should have done the right thing when Gores bought the team.. he should have retired at the end of that season.

Gores is in a difficult position: He can let Joe take one more shot at rebuilding and hope it works... OR he can be the guy who end the Pistons/Joe Dumars relationship that began in the 80's!

Tough spot for the owner...
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Post#6 » by Cowology » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:01 am

Donnie Walsh please.
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Post#7 » by Mr. Krabs » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:05 am

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Post#8 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:07 am

Imagine Brian Shaw and Donnie Walash come together...
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Post#9 » by Goldtop » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:17 am

Cowology wrote:Donnie Walsh please.


Rod Thorn is going to be available too and was actually at the Palace tonight and complimented Drummond :wink:

A lot of good qualified GMs available. Really seems like the right year to make a change if they are going to do it. If they wait til next year who knows what will be available.

I'd be fine with Joe staying, but at the same time I'm kind of getting excited just at the thought of something completely new for a change.
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Post#10 » by Goldtop » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:18 am

Jerry West should be pursued too
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Post#11 » by Pharaoh » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:15 am

Jerry West?

He must be nearly 80
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Post#12 » by Goldtop » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:28 am

Pharaoh wrote:Jerry West?

He must be nearly 80


He's 74. Walsh is 72 and Thorn is 71.

I dont think old age is a big factor in front office jobs like it would be in coaching.

They just work behind the scenes and dont have the daily grind of the nba schedule like a coach/player has.

These old guys know what they're doing though.
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Post#13 » by Pharaoh » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:41 am

I guess age isn't really a concern... but I'd based on the things I've read that guy Kilo mentioned from Boston would be someone I'd interview IF I was Gores...

he's worked his way up
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Post#14 » by sfballa13 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:55 am

Whatever is done better happen immediately after the season ends so Gores has enough time to interview and select a new GM well before the draft.

Who knows maybe the new GM will move the pick as part of his first big move? Our draft pick would be a very valuable piece in moving the last of our bad contracts (Stuckey + Jerebko + CV) in an attempt at getting an all-star player.

I'm sure a package of Knight + Stuckey + Jerebko + 2013 Top Ten draft pick can get us someone huge
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Post#15 » by Minas » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:52 am

I think we definitely need to get rid of Frank, I'd like to see one of the Van Gundy's replace him. I wouldn't be mad if Gores gives Dumars another season though, hopefully he doesn't blow the cap space like 2009.
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Post#16 » by vege » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:19 am

Walsh and Collins are likely available. Just saying :)
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Post#17 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:14 pm

Doug Collins is just horrible. Want nothing to do with him. Walsh is old, but still good for a year or two more.

As for the Gundy's, I don't like Jeff that much but am really high on Stan. I went to Magic games and watched him coach. In my opinion, Stan Van Gundy is a top 5 coach in the entire league. Dude is really that good. But, he is abrasive and expects everything from his players. Plus, he yells alot. But, he is emotional and is very close with his players at the same time. I would take SVG over about any coach in the NBA outside Phil Jackson and Poppovich. He really is that good. But, he is still getting paid by the Magic while I work like a mile from his house. He is active in the community and really could pick where he wants to coach, which I expect would be the scenario he wants to be in.
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Post#18 » by Cowology » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:37 pm

Even though I threw his name out there, I suspect if Walsh wanted to continue being a GM he'd simply stay where he is at. If he steps down it'll probably be to retire (for a year until he get's bored lol), or take on a consulting job. Which I'd be perfectly OK with as well. Especially if we did bring in a young/new GM.
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Post#19 » by Brapman » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:45 pm

I'm NOT in favor of replacing Dumars, and I'd rather not replace Frank either.

I think Dumars is a HOF GM. Nobody, no team, stays on top of the heap forever, and Dumars gave us a team that stayed on or near the top for nearly a decade. That's extraordinary, especially given the state of the team when he took it over. The fact that we aren't where we want to be today? Big whoop. We had to rebuild from those championship years, and that's very hard to do.

As for Frank, unless he has lost the team, which I don't believe he has, he's fine. No coach on the planet would have won with the collection of young talent we had plus all the injuries. Now, the thing is, the Pistons are about to break out - anyone can see that. You'd have to be blind not to like the future of a team with Drummond and Monroe, and with an asset like Knight- and with young guys who look like they could be valuable players in Singler, JJ and Middleton. Big name coaches looking over this collection of talent, knowing we have 25 million in cap room and a lottery pick, would probably be quite interested in taking the reigns of this team.
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Post#20 » by DetroitPistons » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:55 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Doug Collins is just horrible. Want nothing to do with him. Walsh is old, but still good for a year or two more.

As for the Gundy's, I don't like Jeff that much but am really high on Stan. I went to Magic games and watched him coach. In my opinion, Stan Van Gundy is a top 5 coach in the entire league. Dude is really that good. But, he is abrasive and expects everything from his players. Plus, he yells alot. But, he is emotional and is very close with his players at the same time. I would take SVG over about any coach in the NBA outside Phil Jackson and Poppovich. He really is that good. But, he is still getting paid by the Magic while I work like a mile from his house. He is active in the community and really could pick where he wants to coach, which I expect would be the scenario he wants to be in.


I think SVG would a great fit too. He's not perfect and I think Shaq was right when he mentioned that SVG panics. He seems to come off that way. However, I think he would fit great with our personnel. He made it to the finals with a dominant big men and a score first PG. We have two very good big men and a score first PG.

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