John Gibbons Discussion Thread

[J Dilla]

^Ugh no.

The guy is known for pulling starters once they reach a 100 pitches even if they were having a good game. He didn't let Dickey work through the inning and this is the same problem he had in his previous years here. Have trust in your **** pitchers and don't overwork the bullpen.

You will see him in the future pulling his starting pitchers after allowing singles even when the team has big leads. He's a micromanager which will eventually piss off the players.

[Randle McMurphy]

The guy is known for pulling starters once they reach a 100 pitches even if they were having a good game.

Except he's not. He routinely let guys go past 100 pitches, especially the guys he trusted (Halladay and Burnett). In fact, I remember the narrative for a while there was that let starters in too long (particularly when he allowed McGowan to go 125 in 2008: http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx ... ormlb_1%2f)

He didn't let Dickey work through the inning and this is the same problem he had in his previous years here. Have trust in your **** pitchers and don't overwork the bullpen.

I can only conclude based on these statements that you have no real clue what you're talking about. There is no problem with what he did last night (going to an elite reliever in a close game with a RISP late), nor was there any problem in how he dealt with the starters and bullpen in his first stretch with the team.

You will see him in the future pulling his starting pitchers after allowing singles even when the team has big leads.

I'm sure we will. And I'm also sure he'll generally have a good reason for it, unlike you who is criticizing here without any real reasoning or evidence behind your claims.

He's a micromanager which will eventually piss off the players.

Cito Gaston is the complete opposite of a micromanager, but his 2nd run here resulted in a complete team mutiny. And that isn't even exaggeration. But yeah, I'm sure Gibbons actually utilizing his roster to maximum advantage and playing time for everyone will piss them off.

[jaymeister15]

^Ugh no.

The guy is known for pulling starters once they reach a 100 pitches even if they were having a good game. He didn't let Dickey work through the inning and this is the same problem he had in his previous years here. Have trust in your **** pitchers and don't overwork the bullpen.

You will see him in the future pulling his starting pitchers after allowing singles even when the team has big leads. He's a micromanager which will eventually piss off the players.

I'm sorry, but there is literally nothing in this post that is accurate

[Raptor_Guy]

^Ugh no.

The guy is known for pulling starters once they reach a 100 pitches even if they were having a good game. He didn't let Dickey work through the inning and this is the same problem he had in his previous years here. Have trust in your **** pitchers and don't overwork the bullpen.

You will see him in the future pulling his starting pitchers after allowing singles even when the team has big leads. He's a micromanager which will eventually piss off the players.

It sounds like you're talking about John Farrel, who micromanaged the hell out of every inning last year. Such as burning Frasor, Oliver and Cordero all in one inning of a tie game just to go righty, lefty, righty.

Gibbons I thought has used it pretty well, letting guys like Loup and Cecil go for more than one inning, something that Farrel would freak out about.

[Michael Bradley]

Gibbons knows how to handle a bullpen. Anyone who thought that was just media created hype in the off-season can see it is legit now. He also understands the importance of using a platoon. He is not perfect, and he will make mistakes, but he is not going to do things that cost the team games (running into outs, excessive bunting, using bad relievers in high leverage spots, etc). If the talent does its thing, then Gibbons will be fine.

[Hendrix]

I kinda wish he would take some players aside and tell them to stop **** ing bunting.

We've gotta be like 1 for 15 at this point in bunting. Plus all the times where a batter fell behind in the count because of it.

[phillipmike]

In my eyes i could not be happier with most of Gibbon's decisions. Only thing is i prefer to have Boni on the bench but with the injury to Reyes there is nothing you can do.

He has done a good job in my eyes. The first two run through of the rotation has not been good outside of Happ and the team still managed to get 2 wins out of it.

I rather him pull starers too soon than too late. And like i said Dickey, Buehrle, Johnson and Morrow to an extent have not been great or have gone deep into their starts. Let the confidence build up and let them slowly produce and get deep into ball games before letting them pitch out of jams. Dickey and Buehrle coming out 'early' is based on their past performances as well as their current start. As soon as they string together some good starts then they will be able to gain Gibby's trust. So far Gibby has been managing the team quite well.

[changes]

He just got his first loss of the season. Grats.

[Randle McMurphy]

He just got his first loss of the season. Grats.

Not really. The inability to get more than 1 run on Dylan Axelrod cost them that.

[Kapono]

Gibbons played the %s tonight. I dont blame him.

Although I believe he kept Dalabar in for too long

[Michael Bradley]

Pinch hitting Davis for Rasmus was really the only bad move by Gibbons tonight. Other than that, the Jays once again couldn't score and wasted a very good outing by Johnson. Even with injuries, the Jays need to score more than a couple of runs a game if they want to win consistently.

[changes]

He just got his first loss of the season. Grats.

Not really. The inability to get more than 1 run on Dylan Axelrod cost them that.

Obviously any coaches incompetence can be theoretically overcome if the team would have scored more than the other team.

[Randle McMurphy]

He just got his first loss of the season. Grats.

Not really. The inability to get more than 1 run on Dylan Axelrod cost them that.

Obviously any coaches incompetence can be theoretically overcome if the team would have scored more than the other team.

There wasn't any real coaching incompetence tonight. Just a few difficult, debatable decisions that didn't work out. But if you need somebody to blame that isn't the players who didn't score any runs off a scrub pitcher, I suppose managers and coaches are always there for that.

[changes]

There wasn't any real coaching incompetence tonight.

Disagree.