Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

[fishercob]

It still amazes how little Vesely resembles this guy now. It's like they are two different people.

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[Upper Decker]

Vesely only created 1 dunk out of the ten (#8). The rest were just alley oops, fast breaks, or wide open lanes that Brendan Haywood could have taken down Broadway for or big dunk. The only things Vesely shows in the NBA is that he can dunk off alley oops and dunk off fast breaks. I don't see much of a difference between Vesely's Euro highlights and his NBA highlights.

[closg00]

What can you say when Wiz cast-off Shavlik Randolph out-plays Vesely.

[hands11]

vs we could have had this guy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6478/nikola-vucevic

2nd in the league rebounding centers.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... asontype/2

Tied for 3rd in double doubles.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... le-doubles

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... on/centers
11th in pts for centers.

Average 14 pts 12 rebounds for March

Averaging 16 pts and 16 rebounds for April so far. AND HE IS ONLY 22

CCJ may have wanted Faried. I said we needed a center and that we should get this guy.

The sad thing is, we could have had both.

Or my options were Nikola and T Harris or Nikola and Brooks

Every draft has players that are not top 5 picks that end up being really good.

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All About Basket Ball. He was a no brainer.
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But look on the bright side. At least we didn't pick him and then trade him for an injured bum.

[closg00]

Enjoy this trip down memory lane, bask in the early optimism.
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[BigA]

Enjoy this trip down memory lane, bask in the early optimism.
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Yeah, kissing his gf on draft night will go down as the top highlight of his career.

At least he's ahead of Pecherov, whose top career highlight was getting posterized by Nocioni and being mocked by the Bulls announcers for looking like Stewie.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What can you say when Wiz cast-off Shavlik Randolph out-plays Vesely.

Randolph is a pretty good journeyman big. His first couple seasons were decent in 2005, 2006. He's had a very good 10-12 games with Boston this season.

What I remember is Randolph rebounded very well and so did Barron, who IMO outplayed all the healthy bigs at times.

[nate33]

Enjoy this trip down memory lane, bask in the early optimism.
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Yeah, kissing his gf on draft night will go down as the top highlight of his career.

At least he's ahead of Pecherov, whose top career highlight was getting posterized by Nocioni and being mocked by the Bulls announcers for looking like Stewie.

That may have been one of the funniest moments in basketball history.

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[fishercob]

Vesely only created 1 dunk out of the ten (#8). The rest were just alley oops, fast breaks, or wide open lanes that Brendan Haywood could have taken down Broadway for or big dunk. The only things Vesely shows in the NBA is that he can dunk off alley oops and dunk off fast breaks. I don't see much of a difference between Vesely's Euro highlights and his NBA highlights.

I understand what you're saying, but do you really not see a massive difference in body language, aggressiveness, confidence, desire, etc? The guy's spirit is broken. On top of that, I think the plan to bulk him up has backfired. He's still too weak to hold any kind of position but has lost some of his quickness and agility.

I think it was doc that posted the infamous pic of his toothpick legs that foreshadowed his inability to fill out the right way.

[fishercob]

Pages 15-20 of this thread are fantastic: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1122010&start=210

I hope Hooplatta's absence isn't a self-imposed exile over his belief in Jan. I did find that money David Blatt quote from before the draft:

Can't shoot, can't create off dribble, can't really rebound, can pass but is not a facilitator or point forward. He can run the court but needs to really fall into perfect situation

The full Blatt post from the Warriors SB Nation outpost:

David Blatt (Head coach Maccabi Tel Aviv) on International prospects
(Paraphrased)
Jan Vesely- Can't shoot, can't create off dribble, can't really rebound, can pass but is not a facilitator or point forward. He can run the court but needs to really fall into perfect situation

Donatas- Highly skilled inside and outside. Plays when he wants to though. Doesn't have a high motor and players who you have to beg to play hard scare me. Talent is there though

Jonas- Long, Tall, Physically raw but not basketball raw. Has the frame which will allow him to put healthy weight on. Can block shots, rebound, run the court, great hands. And has a little bit of an edge to him. Really WANTS to play and improve. I think he is the #1 upside guy in this draft.

Seems like he'd make a nice GM!

[FAH1223]

Pages 15-20 of this thread are fantastic: viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1122010&start=210

I'd be happy with Walker, one of the Morris twins, Faried, Nik Vucevic, Klay Thompson, Leonard, Brooks, Jimmy Butler, Shumpert, oh my GOD this is horrible. Its like just about everyone after Vesley is a useful player and has some type of skill... outside of guys like JaJuan Johnson and Nolan Smith who have no future in the NBA.

Singleton will obviously be the better player than Vessley. The fact this draft outright sucks doesn't make me feel too bad about the potential and sure likely-hood that Vessley is a bust.

I wouldn't go that far, this would be a cop-out for us not taking Walker, Morris, or trading down. Remember Ernie Grunfeld's infamous words regarding the 2009 draft: " We didn't feel that anyone could help us" to paraphrase. I would wager that this draft-class's 1st-rounders will produce more productive players than last-years.

[BigA]

That may have been one of the funniest moments in basketball history.

Although it didn't take place on the court, my vote for funniest moment in basketball history would probably go to Shaq's "freestyle rap" about Kobe in 2008.

[sfam]

Why don't the Wizards use the D League again? If any player coulda benefitted from a stint in the D League, its Vesely. He really should have been dropped about a month into the season.

[AFM]

Real Talk:
Is Jan Vesely better than Earl Barron (signed today by the Knicks).

[Nivek]

Real Talk:
Is Jan Vesely better than Earl Barron (signed today by the Knicks).

Yes. Vesely actually is better than Earl Barron.

[nate33]

Real Talk:
Is Jan Vesely better than Earl Barron (signed today by the Knicks).

Yes. Vesely actually is better than Earl Barron.

I honestly don't think he is. At least Barron can play a little D and grab some boards.

I truly believe that Vesely is the worst player in the NBA.

[Nivek]

Real Talk:
Is Jan Vesely better than Earl Barron (signed today by the Knicks).

Yes. Vesely actually is better than Earl Barron.

I honestly don't think he is. At least Barron can play a little D and grab some boards.

I truly believe that Vesely is the worst player in the NBA.

As of my last update (last week), that honor actually went to Austin Rivers. Here's the bottom 10 in PPA as of last week (minimum 500 minutes).

1. Austin Rivers -- 0
2. Ronnie Price -- 14.6
3. Jan Vesely -- 14.9
4. Dahntay Jones -- 15.2
5. Xavier Henry -- 17
6. Norris Cole -- 18.6
7. Kevin Seraphin -- 19.4
8. Draymond Green -- 23
9. Will Barton 24
10. Chris Singleton

Hey look, 3 Wizards in the bottom 10. Shoulda made it a drinking game.

[tontoz]

As of my last update (last week), that honor actually went to Austin Rivers. Here's the bottom 10 in PPA as of last week (minimum 500 minutes).

1. Austin Rivers -- 0
2. Ronnie Price -- 14.6
3. Jan Vesely -- 14.9
4. Dahntay Jones -- 15.2
5. Xavier Henry -- 17
6. Norris Cole -- 18.6
7. Kevin Seraphin -- 19.4
8. Draymond Green -- 23
9. Will Barton 24
10. Chris Singleton

Hey look, 3 Wizards in the bottom 10. Shoulda made it a drinking game.

What makes it worse is that all 3 are first round picks.

[hands11]

Which is why they need to clean out the bench and start over.

That could be sideways moves for other teams projects.
That could be with all new rookies from this draft.
That could be from bringing in a few more Webster type vets.

Or some mix.

But this group needs a fresh start someplace else and I'm sure there are players on other teams that need the same.

[AFM]

Damn, Austin Rivers with a 0. What do you need to do to get a 0?