Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part III

[jivelikenice]

I agree nate and jive. Which sorta wraps back to a point made some time back -- there's no real advantage to giving Wall a max extension this offseason. The Wiz can give him the max anytime.

I'd sign him this year because the advantage is roster stability and a direction for the foreseeable future...but you're right, in terms of $, there's no financial advantage to now versus later.

Thinking of needs based on Wall & Beal's comments, who fits those needs in this draft? Zeller looks to have a decent shot but we haven't seen it consistently. Shabazz can be an instant offense player off the bench, but how would he fit with his selfish style of play? FA wise you can address the scorer need by going after JR Smith, but that means using your MLE on him instead of Martell....

[Dark Faze]

In terms of needs if Shabazz can be an off the ball 20 PPG scorer in the vein of Beal then absolutely he's the pick, problem is I don't know if that's the case with him. We need scoring more than big men right now.

Second to that yeah, a backup center or potential repalcement for Okafor/Nene is second on the list.

[doclinkin]

I agree. I don't see EG taking Burke either. He doesn't seem to think that injuries happen. He'd rather have a thin team with no depth and then blame injuries for failure.

Designed tanking. You only get superstars by virtue of the lotto, if you have the plausible excuse of an injury then you get another swing at the piñata.

[jivelikenice]

In terms of needs if Shabazz can be an off the ball 20 PPG scorer in the vein of Beal then absolutely he's the pick, problem is I don't know if that's the case with him. We need scoring more than big men right now.

Second to that yeah, a backup center or potential repalcement for Okafor/Nene is second on the list.

I think the second unit needs a guy who can create his own shot type scorer. There's too much pressure right now on Wall to create for others. The key is to find someone who can get his own shot, and also play a few minutes off the ball with Wall/Beal.

[MikeTheKid]

A new question, with Tim Hardaway Jr. declaring today, if he falls to the 2nd round, would he be a viable option as a big G to pickup given his size and ability to play the point at times? Kinda what Temple is doing this year?

[nuposse04]

A new question, with Tim Hardaway Jr. declaring today, if he falls to the 2nd round, would he be a viable option as a big G to pickup given his size and ability to play the point at times? Kinda what Temple is doing this year?

I'd use the 2nd round picks to find specialty FC players, if we go SF/PG with the first pick. I think Hardaway has some upside...but I don't see him being much better then Temple next season...Maybe more athletic. Actually I just looked his stats...He isn't awful...He can shoot the 3 at a decent clip. If we go Bennett first, I wouldn't him in the 2nd should he be available. I think someone might scoop him up earlier in the 2nd on pedigree though.

[sfam]

A new question, with Tim Hardaway Jr. declaring today, if he falls to the 2nd round, would he be a viable option as a big G to pickup given his size and ability to play the point at times? Kinda what Temple is doing this year?

Hardaway isn't gonna fall that far, but if he does, I'd be happy taking a chance on him. His upside makes it more than worth it.

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[stevemcqueen1]

McAdoo staying in for his junior year, that might hurt chances in landing McDermott as a 2nd rounder, as everyone moves up one. McAdoo is also awful, which is good because we won't be able to draft him this year.

I expected this. His family doesn't need the money, his stock isn't at a high, and he's actually a good student, going to a good school, probably looking to come away with a degree.

He's not awful. And if Andrew Wiggins picks UNC, they are going to be awesome next year. He should pick them. UNC is his best choice. He could make a final four run and win POTY at UNC.

I'm not sure how you can say that. The only thing that has gone up for him on a minutes basis from the season before is his TO's and shooting % by 1 point! Can't hit FT,s can't shoot. Doesn't really have a defined position because of no real basketball talent. He's like Singleton without the supposed defense. McAdoo is the exact type of person I could see EG wasting a pick on.

He's not NBA ready, but he's not a bad player. He's not the blue chipper he was thought to be coming out of H.S. He's probably going to stay at UNC all four years and graduate unless he completely blows up this season. I think he eventually becomes a great college player and a solid NBA prospect. UNC has some legit big men to work with next year, if Kennedy Meeks comes along quick, then McAdoo can move back to his natural PF position.

And with Hairston coming back too, and a decent recruiting class before Wiggins has decided, UNC will be one of the best teams in the ACC next season. If Wiggins makes the smart move and goes to UNC, he'll be the biggest talent the team has had since Jordan and UNC will easily be a match for Duke next year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Your brand will be a lot more powerful if you're the face of a contender. Lose a few million in salary, but make it up in other ways. It's the same thing the big 3 did in Miami.

Looks like GM John Wall has been reading a little RealGM Wizards forum.

This makes sense on so many levels, and I'm happy to see it. Not just for the future cap implications or the potential face-saving PR move, but also the quote at the end of the article:

"Wall and Beal would both like to see the Wizards add a forward who can stretch the defense with his shot. Wall would also like to see the team acquire a scorer/go-to guy off the bench.

“I feel like we got all of the other pieces,” Wall said."


I think they're correct. Kanter would make a lot of sense in a draft day trade. Grew up in Europe. Seems like a good guy in interviews. Gym rat with skills and size. Loves GM John Wall from his ineligible year at Kentucky. But what is Utah going to do? That's a big question mark. They almost have to keep one of Jefferson or Millsap. I'd bet on the latter. Then maybe try to sign and trade Jefferson? What would they get back if that happened? And do they like Burke or anyone else at the Wizard's pick plus any combo of Seraphin/Vesely/Booker/Singleton enough to give up Kanter? I can only hope.

As far as the draft goes, the Wizards need help everywhere, so I think BPA is the way to go. Or a trade in which we get a pick and a player. Wall and Beal are set. But we've seen what happens when one of them goes down. A 3rd guard who can score and handle would be a good get (although I think Price is adequate for 10 mins./game). WebstAriza makes a decent small forward. But I think Ariza sees himself at small forward in a Clippers or Lakers uniform after next year. So the Wiz could use a 3-man, too. Finally, Okafor and Nene are a more-than-solid big man rotation. But as discussed ad nauseam around here, there are health and contract considerations involved with them. Personally, I could see extending Okafor after next year. He's the kind of big guy who ages well. Either way, the Wiz have screwed the pooch on drafts except for GM John Wall and Beal, so a PF/C would also be a good get.

All I know is, I want Beal's parents to interview whoever we're considering.

Keep reading this stuff, Jimmy Wa.

Doug McDermott

A lot of people post a lot of things but the answer to this is obvious. (If McDermott declares he is a great pick.)

http://www.gocreighton.com/ViewArticle. ... =204987431

From 2011-2012

• Joined Kevin Durant as nation’s only players since 1996-97 with 800+ points, 280+ rebounds and 50+ three-pointers in a season.

Named National Player of the Week by Dick Vitale, Andy Katz and the USBWA on Dec. 26 after averaging 31.0 ppg., 7.0 rpg. in two wins.

• In three games vs. Big Ten teams (all wins), averaged 25.3 points, 8.7 rebounds on 29-44 shooting (65.9 percent) and 7-11 from downtown (63.6%).

[gesa2]

I hear ya CCJ. In a year where every player has their warts, I'm leaning towards production more. Give me either Burke or McCollum along with McDermott, and I would be ecstatic.

[closg00]

Will he make the 2013 list?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1233 ... job/page/3

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I hear ya CCJ. In a year where every player has their warts, I'm leaning towards production more. Give me either Burke or McCollum along with McDermott, and I would be ecstatic.

McCollum is definitely another of my favorites, as are Nate Wolters, Zeke Marshall, and Pierre Jackson.

No doubt Burke is a tremendous player, but I would draft him for another team if Wall is to remain the Wizards PG.

Also, I won't be mad if the Wizards pass up Len for Olynyk. Len's better physically and will be a good defender, good rebounder, and a decent face up big man. However, Olynyk understands the game. He makes shots from a lot of different angles. His passing skills and court awareness make me think he's flat out a better basketball player than Len. Alex might be overwhelmed by the strength in the NBA whereas Olynyk won't be.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm going to right now give my Wizards draft prediction.

1st round SF Otto Porter
2nd round PF Erik Murphy
Other 2nd round pick sold for cash

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm going to right now give my Wizards draft prediction.

1st round SF Otto Porter
2nd round PF Erik Murphy
Other 2nd round pick sold for cash

I'll be happy with that draft. Murphy is a legit shooter.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm going to right now give my Wizards draft prediction.

1st round SF Otto Porter
2nd round PF Erik Murphy
Other 2nd round pick sold for cash

I'll be happy with that draft. Murphy is a legit shooter.

Just to mention, I'm predicating this on these being the players I think will be available. I suspect others like Noel, Bennett, Len, Burke, Zeller will be gone before our pick... and 2nd round I would be surprised if McDermott, Green, or Muscala are still there.

[The Consiglieri]

Elite may have been the wrong word but all those guys you're mentioning have a... "if nothing else, at least this guy can..." skill. rebounding, scoring, defense, and 3 point shooting respectively.

However, I don't think Otto Porter is any less a scorer than Shabazz. Porter has much higher percentages on slightly lower volume across the board, including FT%. If anything, I think Porter has a better chance of succeeding offensively because he's taller and a better shooter (percentage-wise).

Also Porter's rebounding? 8.8 pace adjusted per 40. If he gets even 75% of that in the NBA, he'll still be a 6-7 rpg guy which is fine by me as far as SF's go.

This doesn't take into account athleticism. If there was no difference in the qualitative talent and skill between the NBA, and the Big East or Pac-12, I'd agree w/you, and view those stats as definitive. But just as CCJ found with Almond, and many of us find with particular prospects we've loved, the jump from college to the NBA asks a lot of players, and one of those things is to be able to compete athletically. While I would agree that Porter was more efficient and productive across the board than Shabazz in college, I think Shabazz is much more likely to be a hard to defend threat 1v1, and working beside Wall and Beal than Porter. He's just a more dynamic offensive player. He's not nearly as productive in any other area compared to Porter, but as a scorer, its hard to imagine Porter being a more productive one than Shabazz.

[mhd]

After Bennett/Len, I'd take McDermott in a trade down.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

But just as CCJ found with Almond, and many of us find with particular prospects we've loved, the jump from college to the NBA asks a lot of players, and one of those things is to be able to compete athletically. While I would agree that Porter was more efficient and productive across the board than Shabazz in college, I think Shabazz is much more likely to be a hard to defend threat 1v1, and working beside Wall and Beal than Porter

Yes, I found out athleticism matters a lot. Now, I consider shooters (only) like Steve Novak as specialists who need special teammates and circumstances in order to excel. There is a place for them in the game. Almond's a bit more than that IMO.

Almond scored 51 in the D-League twice. The Wizards were 6-0 when he was on their roster. The team was +31 points per 100 minutes in the time he was on the court. Almond had 5 steals in one game as a Wizard. Almond improved quite a bit as a defender. Putting the defensive improvements with quickness and confidence to produce on offense is the next hurdle.

The LA Defenders acquired him in a trade. His NBA dream may yet become a reality some day, Consiglieri.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mor ... ummary/372

[The Consiglieri]

I don't see Porter's lack of an elite skill as a negative in the Wizards' situation. If he can evolve into a great complementary player, but not an alpha dog, he won't command a huge salary down the road. That'll be helpful when it's time to extend Beal. It would allow the Wizards to put some money into the frontcourt and balance out the lineup.

I just don't like that premise with regards to drafting. We have one franchise player. We won't be winning a conference title let alone a championship without another one. How are we going to get him? Drafting, trading, or signing. I don't want to be utilizing the draft to fill holes, when we will just be playing the dutch dike game, w/holes constantly opening as we draft guys with merely adequate talent and upside. I'm not foolish enough to think that we're a lock to find an elite difference maker in this draft, like I mentioned earlier, this draft feels like that 2011 mine field, except worse. But we still have to try, there are players with a great deal of upside that play positions of need, Bennett, GRIII, maybe Len, maybe Muhammad, maybe Burke, etc. I just can't see the justification in drafting purposely with a low expectation in mind, "well he wont cost much on the reup". Granted your argument is more nuanced than that, and I imagine that what you're saying is that if all else fails and he's just solid, well, he's affordable. I still think we should aim higher though (and if Porter is aiming high, then so be it, I'd support it).

[SUPERBALLMAN]

And everyone questioning Porter in the NBA, I recommend watching his game against an athletic and good defensive team in Syracuse. He literally tore them apart from every angle and in everyway possible.

I understand the concerns. The first time I saw him I was like what? Didn't like him, thought he was stiff and awkward. Which I'm hoping will help him fall to us.

But I started finding myself watching Gtown games and following him 100% of the game. Watching him off the ball, watching him hustle, box out, set picks, pick his spots, take smart shots, make passes, get steals, on and on, wearing out his opponents working them non-stop on both ends of the court.

And he has upside. He's only 19, I expect him to stay lean but add considerable muscle and strength as he progresses as a pro. I foresee a top defender, and a consistant 18pt, 8 boards, 5 assist starting SF.

Shawn Marion might be a decent comparison, as well as Pippen, Prince, Grant Hill, Ron Artest, Caron Butler.





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