Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

Post #281 » by **Sleepy51** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:31 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Coxy wrote:
cj03 wrote:Bosh would be acquired in the 2014 offseason. But I agree oaklandwarriors, he's basically Lee with a better jumper and much better D. He is getting older, but bigs tend to age better than wings, so that's why he would be my pick over Wade or another wing.

Wouldn't go near Wade now. He's ageing like a 2 yr old opened carton of semi skimmed banana flavored milk.

except he had a great season

That and you take Wade as long as he can walk.

Looking at Wade's aging process sideways because he doesn't log as many highlights as he used to, or misses games for injury is a dollar waiting on a dime. All you need is Wade ready for duty in the playoffs. You don't need him leading the league in minutes. You don't need him leading sportscenter in highlights. Once you are a good team, all you care about is how your guys can play "AT THEIR BEST. " If you are serious about contending, you have to assume that you can manage the regular season trials and tribulations to get a world class wrecking crew of a player like Wade into the playoffs ready to compete. Veterans with HOF game and tons of playoff experience are not to be trifled with. You don't need Wade to be a one man fast break. The playoffs is a grind game anyway and his game has evolved nicely to be as much about his strength as his quicks/hops. Any and all of this open court nonsense that requires mid 20's athleticism ends pretty much by game 3 of the first round.

He's got at least two years left where he will be a major playoff factor ... as long as you don't have to wear his wheels off just to make the playoffs like the Lakers did to Kobe.

Coxy · Post #282 » by **Coxy** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:33 pm

Lebron is extending Wade's career. Spo can sit him often knowing he has the human wrecking ball to dominate each game.

I wouldn't go near Wade.

old rem · Post #283 » by **old rem** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:09 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Hammond would be dumb enough to do Lee for Ersan and Udoh IMO. That would make the Warriors sexy as hell.

Illyasova makes GSW...sexy as hell? WTF? I see NO comparison of Lee and Illyasova. Udoh is not enough to make up that difference. Were it Henson rather than Udoh, I guess GSW might consider it but even then it's no sure thing. Lee has averaged right about 20 pt,10 boards and that's quite valuable. GSW made the playoffs...and probably as 6 seed.

old rem · Post #284 » by **old rem** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:21 pm

Love is no better than Lee on D. Neither is usually above average. Love is a bit better overall...and a bit less durable is gonna be more $ and will cost BIG in trade chips...so...may not be worth the cost of an upgrade.

Jester_ · Post #285 » by **Jester_** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:39 pm

Wade is still a beast and still a top 5 player in this league. Hella underrated.

Onus · Post #286 » by **Onus** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:10 pm

cj03 wrote:Obviously Henson would be nicer to have than Udoh, but I would totally take either deal for Lee. Besides, the Bucks already have a long, skinny, athletic, lower skilled big in Sanders. Why have both? You can't really play both at the same time.

Henson may turn out the best twig from unc between wright and davis, who all had similar body types. Wright 1 year, davis 2 years, henson 3 years? correlation doesn't mean causation but i'm thinking staying longer helped.

and1GS · Post #287 » by **and1GS** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:58 am

Coxy wrote:Lebron is extending Wade's career. Spo can sit him often knowing he has the human wrecking ball to dominate each game.

I wouldn't go near Wade.

Word...though I'm sure he would step it up if he was the top dog. However, I think his athleticism and body have declined to the point where he's not the #1 on a championship team.

old rem · Post #288 » by **old rem** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:22 am

Wade at 31 had his lowest scoring year since he was a rookie...and has no 3 pt shot...has a BIG $ tag and likely wants to stay in Miami. While I guess there's a way GSW could overpay to get Wade....why would that make sense? Wade is not a guy you can get at a discount or even a "pretty decent" cost and he's no "long term" plus.

whocurrz · Post #289 » by **whocurrz** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:54 am

Onus wrote:
cj03 wrote:Obviously Henson would be nicer to have than Udoh, but I would totally take either deal for Lee. Besides, the Bucks already have a long, skinny, athletic, lower skilled big in Sanders. Why have both? You can't really play both at the same time.

Henson may turn out the best twig from unc between wright and davis, who all had similar body types. Wright 1 year, davis 2 years, henson 3 years? correlation doesn't mean causation but i'm thinking staying longer helped.

Absolutely agreed. Henson's defense was on a whole other level than the other two while in college and he's shown he can play when given minutes. Milwaukee doesn't have the minutes for him and I don't think he can play alongside Sanders for a lot of minutes.

Lee is a good fit there and they still have Udoh and Dalembert as defensive players to pair with Lee besides Sanders. Udoh/Lee worked pretty well when given run even with undersized players at the 2 and 3.

Ilyasova is good but Milwaukee is committed to him long term and Lee is the better player, but his deficiencies would be covered much better in Milwaukee than they are here.

EvanZ · Post #290 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:37 am

old rem wrote:Wade at 31 had his lowest scoring year since he was a rookie...and has no 3 pt shot...has a BIG $ tag and likely wants to stay in Miami. While I guess there's a way GSW could overpay to get Wade....why would that make sense? Wade is not a guy you can get at a discount or even a "pretty decent" cost and he's no "long term" plus.

Wade shot 55% TS on 38% USG...

WHEN LEBRON WAS ON THE BENCH.

lol at points-based "lowest scoring year" comment.

Onus · Post #291 » by **Onus** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:17 am

the only reason i wouldn't want wade is because I dont think his game will translate well when his athleticism leaves him. He'll have to change his game dramatically to stay effective, he may be able to do it, but idk if I'd want to take that chance.

It hasn't left him yet but he's on the wrong side of 30.

whocurrz · Post #292 » by **whocurrz** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:41 pm

Wade would be probably the bet fit in the league next to Curry sharing a backcourt. But IF he leaves Miami which I doubt, he's going to Chicago. That's the only place he seriously considered signing when he was a FA, and they'll still have Rose.

Post #293 » by **Sleepy51** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:32 pm

and1GS wrote:
Coxy wrote:Lebron is extending Wade's career. Spo can sit him often knowing he has the human wrecking ball to dominate each game.

I wouldn't go near Wade.

Word...though I'm sure he would step it up if he was the top dog. However, I think his athleticism and body have declined to the point where he's not the #1 on a championship team.

Curry is our #1. Wade would be a hammer as the #2 guy here and it would work for 2 years at least.

Post #294 » by **Sleepy51** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:36 pm

Onus wrote:the only reason i wouldn't want wade is because I dont think his game will translate well when his athleticism leaves him. He'll have to change his game dramatically to stay effective, he may be able to do it, but idk if I'd want to take that chance.

It hasn't left him yet but he's on the wrong side of 30.

His game has already evovled. That's what people are missing. Wade's game today is about growth hormone and freakish length. When he puts the ball on the deck now he muscles his way past people rather than blowing by them with a youthful first step. He is a banger now. He's a Power Guard, not a Shooting Guard. He has largely put the explosiveness in his pocket since Lebron arrived.

There's two good years left in that body with his post-Lebron playing style. It would be a great two years here.

Onus · Post #295 » by **Onus** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:15 pm

So would you be willing to trade Wade for a 2 yr window? The fact he's going to have to change again is troublesome.

Jester_ · Post #296 » by **Jester_** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:55 pm

Who are we trading, Barnes? Or Klay? Substitute Wade on our starting lineup with either of those two and we're an immediate championsihp contender. People severely underrate how good he still is.

Post #297 » by **Sleepy51** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:08 pm

Onus wrote:So would you be willing to trade for Wade for a 2 yr window?

Yes

Onus · Post #298 » by **Onus** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:33 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:
Onus wrote:So would you be willing to trade for Wade for a 2 yr window?

Yes

I still think we need insurance for bogut as well. Unless you think festus, lee, landry can handle the big man rotation.

old rem · Post #299 » by **old rem** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:23 am

Jester_ wrote:Who are we trading, Barnes? Or Klay? Substitute Wade on our starting lineup with either of those two and we're an immediate championsihp contender. People severely underrate how good he still is.

Odds are you can't GET Wade for "either/or" but MAYBE for both...with Miami getting Biedrins to make salary closer. A side effect then...likely GSW can't do that AND re-up Landry. So.....that window don't look so special.

GSW will not have a pick or cap room. Wade just had his lowest scoring since he was a rookie and...he can't shoot a 3 so...Curry is pretty alone as the perimeter guy. I don't see the point.

EvanZ · Post #300 » by **EvanZ** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:36 am

old rem wrote:Wade just had his lowest scoring since he was a rookie and...he can't shoot a 3 so...

So much fail.

You think if Wade doesn't play most of his minutes with LeBron, he might just score some more points? I mean, ya think?

Curry and Wade would tear teams apart.