Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part III

[truwizfan4evr]

Would anyone want http://nbadraft.net/players/glenn-robinson-iii on wizards?

[Benjammin]

If McLemore is head and shoulders better than anyone else at the second or third pick, okay, but the minutes right now aren't there for both Beal and McLemore. Neither Beal nor McLemore can guard or block out 3s and neither can handle the ball well enough to play the 1. Beal is at most 200 pounds and McLemore about 185; they have pretty good length for 2 guards but not 3s. It's great they have personal experience with one another but that doesn't mean they would mesh well on the professional level on the court.

With Burke, I can easily see him playing with either Wall or Beal effectively. 35 minutes for Wall, 32 minutes for Beal, and 29 minutes for Burke. With Beal Burke plays the point and with Wall he is a shooter on offense and guards the PG on defense. I think Wall wouldn't have huge trouble guarding backup 2s, for example.

Other than Noel, there's no one player in this draft who combines both talent and absolute position need. On the flip side, with the Wiz lack of depth almost any position one can see opportunity. If Porter is the pick it might cause them pause in re-signing Webster or being more open in moving Ariza or letting him become a FA in 2014.

[sfam]

Would anyone want http://nbadraft.net/players/glenn-robinson-iii on wizards?

GRIII is going back to school.

[Benjammin]

Would anyone want http://nbadraft.net/players/glenn-robinson-iii on wizards?

He's going back to Michigan so it's not happening this draft...

[DCZards]

With Burke, I can easily see him playing with either Wall or Beal effectively. 35 minutes for Wall, 32 minutes for Beal, and 29 minutes for Burke. With Beal Burke plays the point and with Wall he is a shooter on offense and guards the PG on defense. I think Wall wouldn't have huge trouble guarding backup 2s, for example.

I think Burke is pretty much strictly a PG. At his size i don't see him getting much run at SG or being able to score against much bigger SGs.

[Benjammin]

With Burke, I can easily see him playing with either Wall or Beal effectively. 35 minutes for Wall, 32 minutes for Beal, and 29 minutes for Burke. With Beal Burke plays the point and with Wall he is a shooter on offense and guards the PG on defense. I think Wall wouldn't have huge trouble guarding backup 2s, for example.

I think Burke is pretty much strictly a PG. At his size i don't see him getting much run at SG or being able to score against much bigger SGs.

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I disagree. With Wall running the point, Burke would be off the ball and a lot of 2 guards would have a hard time keeping up with him. Plus, with the ball he could take some 2 guards off the dribble. Sort of Iverson-lite with Eric Snow.

[nate33]

If McLemore is head and shoulders better than anyone else at the second or third pick, okay, but the minutes right now aren't there for both Beal and McLemore. Neither Beal nor McLemore can guard or block out 3s and neither can handle the ball well enough to play the 1. Beal is at most 200 pounds and McLemore about 185; they have pretty good length for 2 guards but not 3s. It's great they have personal experience with one another but that doesn't mean they would mesh well on the professional level on the court.

With Burke, I can easily see him playing with either Wall or Beal effectively. 35 minutes for Wall, 32 minutes for Beal, and 29 minutes for Burke. With Beal Burke plays the point and with Wall he is a shooter on offense and guards the PG on defense. I think Wall wouldn't have huge trouble guarding backup 2s, for example.

Other than Noel, there's no one player in this draft who combines both talent and absolute position need. On the flip side, with the Wiz lack of depth almost any position one can see opportunity. If Porter is the pick it might cause them pause in re-signing Webster or being more open in moving Ariza or letting him become a FA in 2014.

Exactly, the big difference between Burke and McLemore is that there are 24-27 minutes available for Burke before we run into defensive matchup problems, whereas there is only 12-15 minutes available for McLemore before we run into defensive matchup problems.

Also, the way our team is constructed, PG play is critical. Everyone on the team except Nene (and perhaps Seraphin) is highly dependent on a PG feeding them the ball. No one else can create a shot. Without a good PG, we are dead in the water. The situation isn't the same at SG. We can plug in a scrub like Cartier Martin at backup SG and the world won't end.

[rockymac52]

Come the 4th quarter, Burke will be on the bench. However, we could probably play a Wall/Beal/McLemore back court in the 4th quarter. At least it's more likely to work, IMO.

I'm not saying your concerns about McLemore (or Beal) defending the opposing team's SF aren't legitimate. I'm just saying that Burke would present similar problems, even if you think Wall can defend SGs while Burke defends PGs for stretches. And again, you cannot ignore/forget that right now we have Webster defending SFs, and Webster is NOT a good defender, yet we somehow still have a top 10, arguably top 5 when healthy, defense. So even if McLemore (or Beal) doesn't have the ideal size to defend SFs, and they get taken advantage of on that end, guess what? It's probably not going to be any worse than it already is with Webster. And even if McLemore is small for defending SFs, at least he's shown the ability at the college level to be a dominant defender against SGs. More so than Beal or Wall were (PGs for Wall). That means he understands how to play good defense, and he's very much capable of it, so even if he's physically over-matched against SFs, he isn't going to suddenly magically forget how to play good defense, whereas guys like Webster simply aren't good at defense.

I don't see how you can justify taking Burke, while also dismissing the possibility of taking McLemore. You're keeping your blinders on, only looking for facts or arguments that will support your theory and ignoring any arguments that go against your theory. Come on, you guys are better than that.

Let's be real, the Wizards probably aren't drafting EITHER Burke or McLemore, because of these positional concerns. Maybe that's for the best, honestly. But maybe it's not. And I don't want to miss out on a star player because we pick for need instead of taking the best player available.

[rockymac52]

Not to mention the injury histories of Wall and Beal already. Obviously we have to build a roster based on the presumption of our main players being healthy, for the most part, but it's still worth considering. This way if one of them goes down, our team's playoff potential doesn't go out the door with it like it did this year. Let's have a good contingency plan at PG/SG for once instead of hoping for the best and subbing in the likes of Cartier Martin and Garrett Temple when an injury occurs.

[Rafael122]

Ford updated his mock again and he has us taking Bennett.

He's got Len going #4 to Cleveland, WOW.

I do wonder about Bennett though. He's got the asthma issue, and there might be a conditioning issue as well with him. Not sure if that's related to his asthma or he's just not a fan of the gym. Wittman is a hard ass, will it be a fit?

If Wall and Beal think that we need a stretch forward then Bennett may be the guy they are looking for. The problem is there's no telling which position he will play. Sounds like he has range, which puts him at the 3, and he's also undersized to be a 4. Just an interesting case here. I would say Bennett, McCollum and Oylnyk are my top 3 in terms of where we're picking. And there's always the chance we'll move up.

[nate33]

Ford updated his mock again and he has us taking Bennett.

He's got Len going #4 to Cleveland, WOW.

I do wonder about Bennett though. He's got the asthma issue, and there might be a conditioning issue as well with him. Not sure if that's related to his asthma or he's just not a fan of the gym. Wittman is a hard ass, will it be a fit?

If Wall and Beal think that we need a stretch forward then Bennett may be the guy they are looking for. The problem is there's no telling which position he will play. Sounds like he has range, which puts him at the 3, and he's also undersized to be a 4. Just an interesting case here. I would say Bennett, McCollum and Oylnyk are my top 3 in terms of where we're picking. And there's always the chance we'll move up.

His mock also has Detroit with the #7 and us with the #8. Has that coin flip actually taken place yet?

It really might suck because in several scenarios, Detroit took Bennett one pick before us, sticking us with Shabazz.

[mhd]

Ford updated his mock again and he has us taking Bennett.

He's got Len going #4 to Cleveland, WOW.

I do wonder about Bennett though. He's got the asthma issue, and there might be a conditioning issue as well with him. Not sure if that's related to his asthma or he's just not a fan of the gym. Wittman is a hard ass, will it be a fit?

If Wall and Beal think that we need a stretch forward then Bennett may be the guy they are looking for. The problem is there's no telling which position he will play. Sounds like he has range, which puts him at the 3, and he's also undersized to be a 4. Just an interesting case here. I would say Bennett, McCollum and Oylnyk are my top 3 in terms of where we're picking. And there's always the chance we'll move up.

I can see that for sure. Assuming Noel, Porter, and Mclemore are 1-3, who does Cleveland take? Burke makes no sense b/c Waiters is a combo guard. Oladipo could be smart pick as a no-risk pick, but I think the Cavs shoot for the fences. Zeller played himself out of contention, Bennett is certainly in play, but is he a fit next to Thompson? Cavs take a home run swing on Len who can be brought along slowly behind Thompson and Varajeo.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Would love for the Wizards to take Norvel Pelle with one of our 2nd round picks. Kid reminds me of Deandre Jordan. Would be a decent big to have in the rotation a year or two from now.

[gambitx777]

with all of the kids going back this is a great time for the wiz to steal another mid first, i would love to grab steven adams , man a steven adams bennett draft would be amazing !

[montestewart]

Would love for the Wizards to take Norvel Pelle with one of our 2nd round picks. Kid reminds me of Deandre Jordan. Would be a decent big to have in the rotation a year or two from now.

Can't find anything on him, other than 6'10" and under 200 lbs. Was Jordan that skinny when he came in? Did Pelle even play?

[fishercob]

Trade the pick, trade the pick, trade the pick.

Ideally, trade the pick for a 2014 selection.

This draft reminds me so much of the 2000 draft with Kenyon Martin. Noel is the default number #1 pick who's injured and probably wouldn't be a #1 pick in most drafts. Nothing else is clear cut. I think the draft is filled with role players or guys that may develop into decent role players in 2/3 years. No stars. A lot of potential busts. Not a ton of starting quality talent either.

Best bet is to just trade the pick!

You need a trade partner, though. If this draft is indeed as bad as the 2000 draft, why would anyone give up anything of value for a mid lotto pick?

I don't know how you look at this draft as a whole and just dismiss it so summarily. And again, if you do, I don't see how you can expect much of value in return for our pick.

[thinker07]

Exit interview quotes from Wall, Martell, and Wittman all spoke to the need for more veterans NOT rookies. Could it be 2009 all over again???

[jivelikenice]

I doubt it. I think they'll be more patient this time around. If guys like Oladipo or Otto, mature prospects, are on the board they will probably use the pick. If thet aren't then they may have a contingency plan involving a trade in place. I wouldn't take what Wall/Webster/Wittman said that seriously. I think they probably don't want the main offseason upgrade to be a rookie. If they were to make a trade for a vet and then still add a mature rookie, I don't think there would be an issue.

[jivelikenice]

Did they do the coin toss with Detroit yesterday?

[nate33]

Players always want more veterans and less youngters.