Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0

Upper Decker · Post #861 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Any chance Wall get's consideration for MIP? I know the award has been given to players who make a leap from good to exceptional. I think Wall fits that category. He'll end the season with a PER around 21, which top 20 for players who actually matter this season. I suppose there are better candidates; Harden, Asik, Sanders.

Higga · Post #862 » by **Higga** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:40 pm

Upper Decker wrote:Any chance Wall get's consideration for MIP? I know the award has been given to players who make a leap from good to exceptional. I think Wall fits that category. He'll end the season with a PER around 21, which top 20 for players who actually matter this season. I suppose there are better candidates; Harden, Asik, Sanders.

His injury early in the year probably means he won't win it.

GhostsOfGil · Post #863 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:18 pm

No way Harden doesn't win it.

Post #864 » by **montestewart** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:07 pm

Wall and Starbury, Year 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=1999

Post #865 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:19 pm

montestewart wrote:Wall and Starbury, Year 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=1999

Much better defensively.

verbal8 · Post #866 » by **verbal8** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:51 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
montestewart wrote:Wall and Starbury, Year 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=1999

Much better defensively.

Gary Payton at that point isn't that far off from Marbury. Not to say that Wall is or will ever be the defender that Payton was, but I think his path to being a franchise player depends on living up to his potential as an elite defender.

Post #867 » by **montestewart** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:12 am

I was imagining what might happen to Wall in the future if he largely plays with poor shooters and/or injured lineups, and his shot continues to improve just enough that he keeps trying to take over games and will the team to victory, and ends up . . . like Starbury.

Sure, they aren't the same player, but they both played 49 games in their third year, both had a PER of 20.8, a WS/48 of .134, Marbury had .521 TS%, 44.0 AST%, .799 FT%, while Wall had .519 TS%, 43.9 AST%, .804 FT%. Yikes! That is too close. That's X-Files.

Illuminaire · Post #868 » by **Illuminaire** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:43 am

Sure. If you ignore the team's needs, their play styles, and the entire half of the game called defense.

hands11 · Post #869 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:49 am

Wall 3 year stats. Nice year over year progress.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ljo01.html

Comparison to other PGs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws

First off, Kobe is sick. He ends up showing up on the PG list with all his assists this year.

Wall really improved his TOV a lot this year. For a PG that has such a high AST% 44.3 PG, TOV% 15.6 isn't bad at all. Specially considering how he started the year. He ended the year leap frogging
Jose Calderon 15.8%.

From 2013-03-22 to 2013-04-17
15 game from the time he stopped turning it over so much.

MP 36.5
AST% 40.6
TOV% 8.5

USG% 32.3

ORtg 113
DRtg 107

I see no reason he shouldn't be able to get that down into the 13 range next year. That would put him in the elite efficiency PG class. If he keeps his AST% up that high. He would be there with the best of the best.

hands11 · Post #870 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:52 am

For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

Post #871 » by **nate33** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:13 pm

hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

Good catch on his low turnover rate down the stretch. 8.6% is ridiculous.

I'm not too worried about his assists. His assists will come as his jumper continues to improve and teams decide to go over the screen to take away his midrange shot. His assists will also improve with Webster and Beal taking the corner 3 instead of Martin and Garrett. And if we ever acquire a stretch-four with a quick release, Wall will probably lead the league in assists.

Post #872 » by **montestewart** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:14 pm

hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

OMG! Wall and Marbury have THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS!

GhostsOfGil · Post #873 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:23 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbnYFBK5pM[/youtube]

hands11 · Post #874 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:53 pm

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

OMG! Wall and Marbury have THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS!

And Isiah is there also.

What shocked me was how low Magics AST% was in his 3rd year. I kept wonder why he wasn't in my list. I had to drop the % down to 30% before he showed up. Also had to check the G/F button.

Also surprising was A Miller and how his number tailed off the following years. He had a great year 3.

Nice to see Kevin Johnson name again. I hadn't thought about him in a while.

Lastly, Jose Calderon is a pretty decent player who had he ever played for a good team, would have gotten more attention.

hands11 · Post #875 » by **hands11** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:01 pm

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

Good catch on his low turnover rate down the stretch. 8.6% is ridiculous.

I'm not too worried about his assists. His assists will come as his jumper continues to improve and teams decide to go over the screen to take away his midrange shot. His assists will also improve with Webster and Beal taking the corner 3 instead of Martin and Garrett. And if we ever acquire a stretch-four with a quick release, Wall will probably lead the league in assists.

NP.

Hey. Remember us talking about that 14 to 14.5 range I had as a target. Pretty impressive that he got as close as he did. If they played another 4-5 games, he would have likely gotten there since he was trimming .01 to .03 per game.

Last year he was 19.2 TOV %. 15.3 this year is impressive improvement. Specially since most of him cleaning that up came over a smaller window later in the year. Wasn't that long ago he was up at 17 plus.

There were a few things Wall needed to do to give us more faith he would get there.

Stop turning it over so much - check
Stop picking up his dribble - check
Find a jumper - check
Get to the line more - check.

Pretty amazing turnaround he did there. 25 games ago, I don't think we would be checking off those boxes.

Whats really nice is that I didn't even list him learning to change pace. He got that down earlier in the year. But compared to last year, that was another new trick for him as well.

He is now progressing very rapidly. Next year should be a lot of fun watching him. I think we may even see a

3 Ball - added to his tricks.

truwizfan4evr · Post #876 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:48 am

How much should we pay John Wall this summer?

Post #877 » by **montestewart** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:20 am

hands11 wrote:
montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; in 3rd season; played G or G-F; requiring Player Efficiency Rating >= 20 and Assist Pct >= 30 and Assists Per Game >= 7; sorted by descending Player Efficiency Rating

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=per

It would be nice to see him get his assists up next year.

OMG! Wall and Marbury have THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS!

And Isiah is there also.

What shocked me was how low Magics AST% was in his 3rd year. I kept wonder why he wasn't in my list. I had to drop the % down to 30% before he showed up. Also had to check the G/F button.

Also surprising was A Miller and how his number tailed off the following years. He had a great year 3.

Nice to see Kevin Johnson name again. I hadn't thought about him in a while.

Lastly, Jose Calderon is a pretty decent player who had he ever played for a good team, would have gotten more attention.

Magic's backcourt mate his first four years was PG Norm Nixon. Nixon had an AST% of 27.7 during Johnson's 3rd year, with Johnson frequently flying up front.

When Calderon's current contract's up, I could see a good team trying to nab him as 3G, a good backuo or starting PG whose shot can allow him to play next to a PG, using matchups to limit getting killed by his not so hot defense.

Wizardspride · Post #878 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:02 am

hands11 wrote:

What shocked me was how low Magics AST% was in his 3rd year. I kept wonder why he wasn't in my list. I had to drop the % down to 30% before he showed up.

Magic played a lot of SG/SF his first few years in the league due to the presence of Norm Nixon.

hands11 · Post #879 » by **hands11** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:03 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:How much should we pay John Wall this summer?

As little as I could get away with without offending or embarrassing him.

Parker makes 12.5 M for the next two years.
Rondo makes 12 and then 13M
Jose made 11M this year
J Holiday is signed at 11M for 3 years.

Westbrook is signed to crazy money until 2016 ending up at 17.8M I hope we don't go there.
D Williams is signed to really crazy money ending in 2016 at 22M. Really don't want to go there.
D Rose is signed for crazy money ending in 2016 at 21M
CP is at 18M but...

http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/01/chris ... nicks-nba/
Chris Paul declines Clippers’ three-year, $60 million contract extension

That LAC team is going to take a serious hit if he walks to NY. CB is getting old. Billups is getting old. Odom is old. G Hill retired. They could be right back in the lottery again next year. Flamed out on a fast burn.

If we can keep it in the 13-15M range, that would be about the best we could hope for I think.

hands11 · Post #880 » by **hands11** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:29 pm

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

The future is looking really bright for this team. Wall has really impressed me with his growing maturity this year.

Wall and Beal. Just keep telling yourselves that. Wall and Beal. They are both Wizards. Age 22 and 19

People. We actually have a legit future. That is hard to get my head around sometimes. Having those two is the man thing. They no long have to go fishing for a core. They can even absorb making a few mistakes. And they can now attract better talent.

Great interview.

Still talking about a stretch 4 and a scoring guard off the bench.

Sounds like he still supported Randy.

Looking to add a 3 ball and keep working on that J. Going to work out with Beal over the summer.

Great stuff. We can now start to dream of plans for making a way to being a contender in 2-3 years.