2013 Draft

[Inigo Montoya]

not a big simmons fan. he is a talented writer, but he utters so many stupid things. i respect his talent as a writer, i have...less respect for this basketball knowledge.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I had soured on CJ McCollum as a full time PG after viewing videos of him and his lack of vision and effective passing skills, but at this point the way the draft is shaping up, I wouldn't mind him at all. If nothing else, he could replace Foye's role as an outside shooter. However, the way the draft is shaping up, CJ will probably be gone before 14.

[pickIBL]

I suppose Burke, MCW, and CJ could get drafted ahead of the pick. It is possible.

[reapaman]

not a big simmons fan. he is a talented writer, but he utters so many stupid things. i respect his talent as a writer, i have...less respect for this basketball knowledge.

Understandable but it wasn't just him, his article was just the first relevant source that came up on my search. His feeling on both drafts were widely held by a massive amount of fans and analyst.

[Joel Embust]

Tweet from last night:

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress

Dennis Schroeder will enter the 2013 NBA Draft, his agent Ademola Okulaja tells us.

I'm predicting he will be drafted top 20 and will stay in the US rather than going back to play in the German league.

[pickIBL]

I went on draft net the other day and told them their list was wrong. Told them schroeder was coming out (he was not even on their list of in/out/ or unsure). LOL they have since deleted my post. They still haven't added him to the list... I suspect they are googling him right now though.

If anyone takes anything from Draft Net they are crazy. It is the blind leading the blind over there. I was actually really nice in my post... but because I pointed out they clearly had no idea what was going on with international prospects... they deleted my post.

I just sit at home on my computer and watch international games and I know 10 times more than they do. They are the site that gave us Ivan the Terrible as a top 3 pick. That website and their mock is a complete joke.

If I wrote something critical of realgm... they do wouldn't do a thing. RealGM sucks... I suspect this point will remain.

[KDBG]

So I was barely on Jazzfanz, and people are all of a sudden hyping Schroeder up as much as we are. Some of them were saying that we shouldn't even risk waiting until 21, and just take him at 14.

To be fair to everyone on here that's not a big fan of him, I'm aware that the ones that are fans of his game should be a little cautious, because he literally went from an unknown to the hottest thing, in a span of about a week. But I just don't see this as a Biyombo situation. This guy can actually ball, and has skills. Biyombo was just a physical specimen, that's it.

Also, we now know that O'Connor has seen Schroeder play...

Nike Hoop Summit ‏@nikehoopsummit 16 Apr
Neil Olshey (Blazers) Masai Ujiri (Nuggets) R.C. Buford (Spurs) & Kevin O'Connor (Jazz) all in attendance at tonight's #HSUM2013 practice.

[Inigo Montoya]

To be fair to everyone on here that's not a big fan of him, I'm aware that the ones that are fans of his game should be a little cautious, because he literally went from an unknown to the hottest thing, in a span of about a week. But I just don't see this as a Biyombo situation. This guy can actually ball, and has skills. Biyombo was just a physical specimen, that's it.

absolutely. i agree 100%. he's a basketball player, no doubt about it. not a biyombo situation at all.

[pickIBL]

I was hyping this kid before he even had a wikipedia page. I ought to get a freakin medal or something.

[KDBG]

To be fair to everyone on here that's not a big fan of him, I'm aware that the ones that are fans of his game should be a little cautious, because he literally went from an unknown to the hottest thing, in a span of about a week. But I just don't see this as a Biyombo situation. This guy can actually ball, and has skills. Biyombo was just a physical specimen, that's it.

absolutely. i agree 100%. he's a basketball player, no doubt about it. not a biyombo situation at all.

If you are interested, the World vs. USA hoops summit game is at 5:00 I believe, on ESPN 2. And not just for Schroeder. There are some other draft prospects worth watching. I'm also really interested in watching Wiggins go up against Jabari Parker.

[Inigo Montoya]

i am interested, thanks. i'll try to catch that. a lot of prospects of next year's draft are there. i want to see exum play.

[pickIBL]

As has been the case in each of the practices here, Mouhammadou Jaiteh used his size and strength to impose his will on the World Select Team's smaller post defenders. Jaiteh is not an explosive leaper, but at 6-11, 250 pounds, he is a space eater whose long arms and soft touch allow him to get his hook shots off effortlessly around the basket. Capable of making an occasional perimeter shot despite possessing unorthodox mechanics, Jaiteh won't turn 19 until November, making a player to keep an eye on moving forward.

Sergey Karasev also had a strong couple of practices. The most seasoned player here, it is a rarity to see him play out of control, as he always appears composed. His jump shot has been falling all week, and his effortless mechanics certainly catch your attention when you watch him knock down deep shot after deep shot in drills. Karasev will need to get stronger and improve on the defensive end to reach his potential long term, but he has an uncommon maturity to his game at age 19 and clearly looks like the high-level European standout he is.

Dennis Schroeder continued his terrific play, and based on his performances here, has opted to enter the 2013 NBA Draft.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2R2lkjhGM
http://www.draftexpress.com

[reapaman]

Well with Biyombo everyone knew he was a project and knew what to expect so if you pick him high then your not suprised he would struggle for 2-3 years. Schroeder is being billed as if he's NBA ready now so if he's picked high and comes here next year and struggles then it would be an austin rivers situation and you will hear complaints about it to no end.

Schroeder still looks too much like Beaubois for my taste who was also billed and still labeled a pg but wasn't. I know you say Beaubois shot was inconsistent but at the same time how do we know Schroeder wasn't just in a confort zone this year which actually happens quite often with some prospects. I mean not like he has the best mechanics. In the 3rd german league this season, he shot 30% from 3 point this year which was the same percentage he got last year in that league and the same percentage Beaubois the year before he came to the NBA. Even Beaubois had a good shooting year in the french league and with mavs. I see nothing to say for sure Schroeder is still gonna shoot good once he gets to the nba against better perimeter defenders and more pressure.

As with Beubouis, his pesky defense looks like alot of gambling and what will be nba fouls involved. The screens he fights through are usually weak so his defense will like suffer against better screening and pick n roll play. Still not a good finisher or good at fighting through contact. Not as effective off-the-dribble when guys actually rotate properly. Very turnover prone. I saw alot of bad and/or risky passes that won't work in the nba. Decision making often looks questionable Looks more like Burks level of playmaking ability than Rondo which isn't good enough for a starting nba pg on a good team, Needs to bulk up, sure he's very confident but so was Beaubois, ect ...

He's just not ready for the NBA and don't think he's a real pg ala I think people will be very dissapointed with him if he's picked high and comes over next year.

[pickIBL]

In the 3rd german league this season, he shot 30% from 3 point this year .

They sent him down for a few games and he chucked 3s. Several games I think he took 11 attempts. I think he averaged 8 or 9 three attempts a game for 3. In terms of games it is a very small sample size. It would be like judging a player's shooting entirely based off one playoff series.

[RookieJazz]

Tweet from last night:

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress

Dennis Schroeder will enter the 2013 NBA Draft, his agent Ademola Okulaja tells us.

I'm predicting he will be drafted top 20 and will stay in the US rather than going back to play in the German league.

After Nike Hoops Summit tonight, Schroeder already put his name in the lottery.
KOC attend the game. If Jazz want him, better trade up, this guy won't pass Dallas at 13th.

[pickIBL]

the only question left. will montoya see the light... or is he still favoring wolters. Cuban could do it

[slc24]

How can anyone say that Schroder isn't a PG?

I was very impressed by his decision making in the Hoops Summit. Constantly looking to make the right play. Looked very good in the P&R, didn't take bad shots, etc.

Granted, it's only one game, but by watching highlights I imagine this is how he plays usually. If he isn't a PG I don't see how anybody in this draft is.

[pickIBL]

Schroeder now sits at 20 on the DX board.

[Inigo Montoya]

ugh, i just don't get it. he really wasn't that good. i wasn't impressed. he did show very good speed and quickness and some burst - but we already knew all that. for physical attributes and athleticism, you don't need to watch this particular game, like you don't need to watch how andrew wiggins is doing in this game in order to know that he can jump.

he just doesn't make me believe that he can be an efficient scorer in the NBA. i'm not talking about putting up a lot of points, but whatever he will score, it won't be in high FG%. his shot looks slow and funky. as for his passing - i wasn't really impressed. yes, he has decent court vision, but his passes were off the mark all night long. he turned over the ball quite a few times when trying to pass, and didn't know what to do when the defense collapsed on him when he penetrated and turned over his passes. even the passes he didn't turn over, they were off the mark. the defense was able to read his passes and deflect them, taking away many easy baskets. and when his passes did get to their target, they were still off and not on the money, so the recipient had to adjust himself in order to catch them, which took him away from his route and took away the split second advantage you need to have with the perfect pass so you can go straight to the basket before the defense closes your path, or the split second you need to catch the ball and get off your shot before the defense gets to you. his passes actually really reminded me of mo's passes - always a little off, just enough to take away the offense's advantage.

overall, he didn't really show me anything i didn't know about him or see earlier. he's still a combination of collison\beaubois\jeff teague\kabongo - a fast, quick PG who can maybe defend a bit, but will never be a big scorer or score efficiently, who is just an average passer. overall, for me his ceiling still remains the same - an average PG that is not a building block and that his contribution can be replaced\found relatively easily in free agency. the hype he's getting now is....annoying. and yes, i've seen many of DX's quotes and tweets about him - they are at fault in over hyping him more than anyone. they get like that sometimes, start liking a player and be overly complementary about him. just like they did with Biyombo. i'm not comparing the two as basketball players because one of them clearly is and the other one (Biyombo) really isn't. but the hype process seems the same. don't like it. regardless of wolters, i hope the jazz pass on both kabongo and Schroeder.

here's a boxscore of the game:
http://pics.lockerz.com/s/289971971

5-10 FG, 1-2 3PT, 7-10 FT for 18pts, 2rbs, 6ast, 3to. looks nice, but it is mostly because the US team fouled him a bunch in the last two minutes so they could close the gap, and he had that uncontested layup at the very end. i also counted more than 3 turnovers, but oh well.

btw, exum looked really good.

[reapaman]

Last night confirmed everything I mentioned earlier imo. Not a good decision maker, weaknesses are exposed when guys collaspe and rotate correctly on him, not a good passer, shooting mechanics are weak, an ok defender, ect..

As Inigo said .... he's a Beaubois, Collison, A.Brooks, J.Teague, Mabey L.Williams type of guy. I don't know pick one but those can be decent contributors with the right team but nothing to get excited about and easy to find in free agency.