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Teams need (Draft) 

Post#1 » by vege » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:21 pm

Doesn't fit in what was discussed in the draft thread so I decided to start a new one.

We are very likely picking at #7, and most likely the teams ahead of us will be Orlando/Charlotte/Cleveland/Phoenix/New Orleans and Sacramento. Not in that order but we will probably pick #7 and those 6 teams will pick ahead of us baring a "God" miracle (Stern's wish).

Orlando have 2 good young wingers in Tobias Harris who played a lot of PF for them and Maurice Harkless who is strictly a SF. They also have a good young big man in Nicola Vucevic. They need a PG badly but they could also go for a SG (they have Afflalo tho) or a big man to play with Vucevic. They likely won't draft a winger.

Charlotte have a good PG in Kemba, a good SF in MKG and a solid Big man in Byiombo. They could draft a SG but they need a Big Man badly.

Cleveland have a star PG in Irving and they drafted a SG and a PF (Waiters and TT) with their recent back to back #4 picks (I wonder why they're this bad :roll: ). They have a collection of DLeague talent at SF and an injury prone aging C. So they will likely go for a big man but they could also go for a SF.

Phoenix is a complete mess. Their only good player is Dragic. Gortat's contract will be done soon and he had major attitude issues there. They have a solid winger in Dudley who can play both wing positions. They need everything other than PG so...

New Orleans is stacked upfront with Ryan Anderson, Anthony Davis and Robin Lopez. Greivis Vasquez is solid but nothing special so they could use an upgrade at PG. They drafted 2 wingers recently and they were both epic busts and with Eric Gordon and Al-Farouq Aminu likely gone they need a winger BADLY.

Sacramento have Cousins and little to no talent other than him. Evans is a RFA, Thomas is a solid PG but too short to be a starter, Thornton is not consistent and Patterson isn't anything special. Like Phoenix, they need absolutely everything.

We need a winger (2 in fact), sadly we will likely pick at #7 and most teams picking ahead of us also need a winger badly. Other than Noel and Bennett the other big man in this draft are unimpressive and this is not a PG heavy draft...
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Re: Teams need (Draft) 

Post#2 » by princeofpalace » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:36 pm

Orlando needs a PG
Charlotte needs a 2 or a bigman
Cleveland needs a SF
Phoenix needs a SG, SF or PF (BPA really)
New Orleans needs a SF or a C (BPA really except for PF)
Kings need a SF (BPA really)
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Post#3 » by ImHeisenberg » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:16 am

It's tough to say. With teams like Orlando, Charlotte, and Phoenix, they're so bad, they simply have to take the player the believe is the best available to them. Anyone on their roster can be moved to make space in that event. Nobody on any of those teams should be deemed "untouchable".

I'm sure after the combine and workouts, many picks will be leaked and we'll have a better idea of how the draft will shake out.
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Post#4 » by c-dot » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:20 am

I have a feeling Burke and Bennett or Burke and Oladipo will end up falling to 7th if the current order holds up.
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Post#5 » by DocRI » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:35 am

No offense, Vege, but I really, really hope the teams drafting ahead of us in the lottery think in the manner of your post. Teams in the lotto are there for a reason — simply put, they suck (i.e. lack talent). Therefore, they should ALWAYS default to drafting the BPA. There are slight exceptions to this rule, as some teams have one or two slots filled (us with Dre & Moose, Cleveland with Irving, New Orleans with Davis), but teams like Orlando, Charlotte or Sacramento/Seattle should never pass up the BPA because they're so high on the players who landed them in the lottery in the first place. The good news for us in this draft is that I honestly think every player projected in the top seven except for Noel could fit well on our roster, so the BPA will most likely also fill a need for us. Let other teams reach for whatever they feel they need on draft night; I'd much rather draft for talent and address need via trade and free agency.
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Post#6 » by DocRI » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:36 am

Accidental double-post due to internet acting up. Move along, nothing to see here ...
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Re: Teams need (Draft) 

Post#7 » by pistontr » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:28 am

what is bpa :oops:
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Post#8 » by pistontr » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:35 am

charlotte needs mclemore
cleveland needs porter
orlando needs noel, benett, burke
phoenix needs meclemore
sacramento needs muhammed, mclemore, burke
new orleans muhammed, mclemore, burke
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Post#9 » by ducler » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:30 am

pistontr wrote:what is bpa :oops:

Best player available ;)
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Post#10 » by pistontr » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:22 am

nobody needs oladipo. so.
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Post#11 » by pistontr » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:24 am

..
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Post#12 » by pistontr » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:29 am

pistontr wrote:
ducler wrote:
pistontr wrote:what is bpa :oops:

Best player available ;)


oh. thank you
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Post#13 » by Pharaoh » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:16 pm

I think it's common knowledge that Noel and McLemore are option 1 and 1A for every team in the Lotto. Easier to build around a big man than a SG but IF McLemore is supposed to be "better than Ray Allen was" then he's a nice 2nd prize

Orlando needs everything... they don't really have anyone that you can build a Franchise around. You can build around Noel... he's the obvious choice for them. If they get bumped from the #1 spot obviously McLemore is the option at #2... and if they get bumped down beyond that I think they look at Zeller or Burke. A wing just doesn't fit right now and if they did acquire one through the Draft Afflalo likely becomes available in trades

Charlotte needs a SG and Bigs.... McLemore or Noel is the choice for them... if they get bumped down Zeller, Bennett or Olapido are options. IF Olapido can remind Jordan of Scottie Pippen he could be the pick IF McLemore is off the board

Cleveland needs everything except guards... so Zeller, Bennett, Porter, Bazz, Olapido are the options here. They like to make unusual picks... their last 2 picks were surprises so IF they stay at 3 I could see them taking Zeller but if they get bumped it will be harder to guess which direction they'll go

Phoenix needs everything except PG... which puts Zeller, Bennett, Porter, Bazz and Olapido in play again. Hard to guess which direction they'll go... likely BPA but who knows which player they think is the BPA?

New Orleans needs a wing and a big.... which again puts Zeller, Bennett, Porter, Bazz and Olapido in play. Once again it's hard to guess which direction they'd go.

Kings don't have much of anything outside of Cousins, and he's a headcase so all bets are off. IF Burke is on the board he's a logical choice to team with Cousins and possibly Evans...

1 = ORL = Noel
2 = CHA = McLemore
3 = CLE = Zeller as a surprise and destroys all the Mock Drafts
4 = PHO = Bennett as BPA
5 = NOP = Olapido
6 = SAC = Burke

So we get to draft from a pool of:

Porter... the safe option... like Prince, but younger and a lot cheaper
Bazz.., high risk/high reward

So that would eliminate McCollum... though I'm very interested in him as a prospect I can't see us taking him. I will admit that someone outside the top 7 will rise up the Draft board asthe pre-Draft camp and workouts begin... someone always rises

But if we're choosing between Porter and Bazz it would be rather appropriate... safety vs risk... and the forum will likely be divided 50/50 making for some interesting debates
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Post#14 » by joseph mamah » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:09 pm

if we dont get top 3, I hope Phoenix jumps Charlotte in the lotto and it shakes out like this.

Orl- Noel
Pho- Mac
Cha- Bennett
Cle- Porter
N.O.- Burke
Sac- Bazz
Det- Oladipo
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Post#15 » by ComboGuardCity » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:12 pm

When was the ladt time someone other than a big or PG was taken first? Lebron?
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Post#16 » by Kilo » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:55 pm

Assume Noel goes #1 overall, and Cleveland has second pick - who do they take? McLemore and do what with Waiters? Or would they look to flip flop with team picking 3rd, to get something extra and drop down while still getting the player they want?

I think Porter is a lock to Cleveland outside of #1 overall (which would be Nerlens).

I think Bennett could drop in this draft and could be on the board when we pick. I think PHX is the only team that will take him in top 6.

I think Sacto takes Oladipo because Cousins is a headcase and you probably don't want to put a one-and-done freshmen in that starting line-up - Bazz would be a TERRIBLE fit to try to tandem up with Cousins. I think NO takes Bazz anyways a pick before.

Orlando- Noel
Charlotte - McLemore
Cleveland - Porter
Phoenix - Bennett
New Orleans - Muhammed
Sacramento - Oladipo
Detroit - Trade Down

Here's what I'd like to see - OKC trades #29 and # 32(2nd pick in 2nd round) to Brooklyn for #22 overall. Nets don't have a second rounder currently. OKC trades up for Burke or Len/Zeller

We then trade #7 overall and #38 to OKC for #12 and #22.
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Post#17 » by Piston Pete » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:31 pm

^^^Of OKC wants to trade up, it will almost definitely be for a C like Len or Gobert. Although at the same time, I'm not sure why they wouldn't just wait and take Deng (Louisville) with one of their later picks.

In any case, any trade down scenarios with OKC need to start with Lamb and #12.
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Post#18 » by DetroitDon15 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:55 am

Kilo wrote:Assume Noel goes #1 overall, and Cleveland has second pick - who do they take? McLemore and do what with Waiters? Or would they look to flip flop with team picking 3rd, to get something extra and drop down while still getting the player they want?

I think Porter is a lock to Cleveland outside of #1 overall (which would be Nerlens).

I think Bennett could drop in this draft and could be on the board when we pick. I think PHX is the only team that will take him in top 6.

I think Sacto takes Oladipo because Cousins is a headcase and you probably don't want to put a one-and-done freshmen in that starting line-up - Bazz would be a TERRIBLE fit to try to tandem up with Cousins. I think NO takes Bazz anyways a pick before.

Orlando- Noel
Charlotte - McLemore
Cleveland - Porter
Phoenix - Bennett
New Orleans - Muhammed
Sacramento - Oladipo
Detroit - Trade Down


Here's what I'd like to see - OKC trades #29 and # 32(2nd pick in 2nd round) to Brooklyn for #22 overall. Nets don't have a second rounder currently. OKC trades up for Burke or Len/Zeller

We then trade #7 overall and #38 to OKC for #12 and #22.


Interesting. I could see Detroit taking Burke. Would be a fit. I also can't see Zeller moving past a team like Sacaremento. I would think PG or PF would be higher on Sacremento's radar. I would have to think the pick is Burke if he is there.

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