Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part III

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

You're right about his defense but I think his offensive ability is being considerably underrated, AWIZZINGBULLET.

I think teams just don't know where he would be best suited to play. He has post up game but isn't a long player at the 4, he can shoot the ball but isn't very athletic at the 3, I think that adds to where you find McDermott in these mock drafts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McDermott is a 6'8 not athletic PF, he's a 6'8 Nowitzki without he's physical ability.

he could be a good back-up combo forward if he develops, but that's about it, Mike Dunleavy as best case is not a top10, in any draft.

Wolters is similar to Jeremy Lin, maybe if he keeps working on his body and his shot, he can be a good back-up PG in the league, but its uncertain, he's a 2nd round talent.

Fishella, I disagree on McDermott as Dunleavy as a best case. He's WAY BETTER than Dunleavy.

Dunleavy averaged (career) 13.2 points, 5.8 rebounds over 28 minutes, at .580 TS% and .560 EFG%
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... avy-2.html

McDermott has averaged (career) 20.1 points, 7.7 rebounds over 30 minutes at .656 TS% and .622 EFG%.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ott-1.html

Dunleavy had to share rebounds with Carlos Boozer and also had to share shots with Boozer as well as Jay Williams. However, Mike Dunleavy was nowhere near the scorer or shooter that McDermott is.

McDermott did what he did in a lesser conference, but if you check his stats against Big 10, SEC,and ACC competition he still produced stout numbers.

Fishella, I think you're probably pretty close on Wolters and Lin. I think Wolters is more like Jose Calderon and that he's going to score more efficiently than Lin. Wolters is going to defend better as well, IMO.

[gambitx777]

So, depending on if we grab another first, where is is and who is their. would you guys be ok with taking another guard in the first round, I know some people would be like, no we have john and beal why take another guard in the first round. But, our guards depth is **** and the only real way to fix it and not over pay someone, is to spend a first round pick on a good guard or to get lucky in the second round. I think if we get a second first we should use it to adress guard depth or center depth. I think it would come down to who is left and what pick we grab. Or even if we loose out on the bigs with our first pick i would not be opposed to taking a guard or trading back for two picks.

On another note, i really like Adreian Payne as a second round pick. He reminds me of a young raw okafur. He rebounds, he has good defensive up side, and offensive potential.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

You're right about his defense but I think his offensive ability is being considerably underrated, AWIZZINGBULLET.

I don't know. I think teams just don't know where he would be best suited to play. He has post up game but isn't a long player, he can shoot the ball but isn't very athletic, I think that adds to where you find McDermott in these mock drafts.

I would love McDermott at 37.

I'd like to use our 1st rounder on a center... Len, Dieng, Adams, Olynyk, Withey. I like Len, but if he's gone, I certainly would not mind coming out of the draft with Dieng and McDermott, a couple smart, skilled players who will work hard and fit in.

If McDermott doesn't last, I'd be looking at Murphy, Kelly, Payne for that stretch 4 off the bench.

Then we try to package some assortment of young front court players Seraphin, Vesely, Singleton to a team with G depth for a vet guard.

[No-Man]

I'd go with Grant Jerrett at 37 over Payne or Kelly.

[DCZards]

While I don't disagree with those who say that coaching and the Zards mgt. deserves some of the blame for lack of development of Ves, Seraphin and Singleton, I'm solidly in the camp of those who argue that a player's development/improvement is more on them than it is on the team or coaches.

And I definitely don't want the Zards to make a draft day decision--like picking over Zeller over Len--because of the lack of development of Ves, Seraphin and Singleton. Len has way more upside than Zeller, imo, and I say we take our chances that he can realize that potential in a Zards uni.

I know some folks are down on McLemore, but if I'm picking second he's my guy. I think he has the potential to be an all-star. While the Zards don't need a starting shooting guard, McLemore may be too good to pass up, imo.

I would, however, try to trade the second pick to a team that is hot for McLemore. But I'd want a another lottery pick (or a very good proven vet) and a second first round pick in exchange.

A big part of McLemore's problems at Kansas, as others have pointed out, were the result of Self's offense and the fact that he often deferred to upperclassmen instead of being aggressive on the offensive end. Both of those are problems that, with good coaching and supportive teammates, he won't have at the next level. I also expect McLemore to get better at creating offense off-the-dribble for himself and his teammates.

I think it's worth being patient with McLemore. He has a great body, a sweet shot and a lot of potential offensive tools.

Given that the Zards are more likely to be picking in the 6-8 range, my top choices are Porter, Bennett, Len and Shabazz...pretty much in that order, although I could easily see Len being the best choice of the four. His athleticism for his size is very impressive.

BTW, don't sleep on Erick Green as a very good combo guard at the pro level...the kind of backup guard that the Zards could use. Most mocks have Green going early second round.

[theboomking]

So Portland's GM is willing to trade picks to get a defensive center/rim protector. This would be a great opportunity for the Wizards to get another draft pick, get younger, and have more flexibility with their cap room. I understand that Wall and other guys on the team feel like they shouldn't get younger, but they're already up against the cap. Trading Okafor for Freeland (who makes like $3 mil) + the 12th pick saves them about $11 million right off the bat. Even including the first year salaries of the rookies they'd still have $5 or $6 million left to spend to get another big.

Having 2 picks also gives them ammo to move up if necessary. Not sure, it's a move that makes sense for both teams. I don't want Okafor here long term because as it's been said, relying on 2 30 year olds to go deep into the playoffs is risky.

I would consider Okafor and our #1 for Batum and Matthews. Don't think I'd do it, but I'd consider it. That's about the only trade I see looking at Portland's roster.

I might or might not pull that trigger. Your trade would give us a 3rd young core piece in Batum. A core of Wall, Beal, Batum and Nene is a playoff team to be sure, but we would still need to find a way to improve our depth at PF and center. I think the question I would have to ask myself is whether I would rather have Len and Okafor, or Batum and Matthews. Len, as a 7'1" center could wind up having a lot more impact than Batum, and also more future trade value, especially while on a rookie contract. I'm still surprised at how bad Portland was this year with LMA, Lillard, and Batum. You have to wonder whether some of their top talent is overrated.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

So, depending on if we grab another first, where is is and who is their. would you guys be ok with taking another guard in the first round, I know some people would be like, no we have john and beal why take another guard in the first round. But, our guards depth is **** and the only real way to fix it and not over pay someone, is to spend a first round pick on a good guard or to get lucky in the second round. I think if we get a second first we should use it to adress guard depth or center depth. I think it would come down to who is left and what pick we grab. Or even if we loose out on the bigs with our first pick i would not be opposed to taking a guard or trading back for two picks.

On another note, i really like Adreian Payne as a second round pick. He reminds me of a young raw okafur. He rebounds, he has good defensive up side, and offensive potential.

How about trying to bring in Barbosa to play behind Beal? He played on a 1mil. dollar contract for Boston.

I'm not sure Adreian Payne is that stable a player, I mean emotionally.

[hands11]

So, depending on if we grab another first, where is is and who is their. would you guys be ok with taking another guard in the first round, I know some people would be like, no we have john and beal why take another guard in the first round. But, our guards depth is **** and the only real way to fix it and not over pay someone, is to spend a first round pick on a good guard or to get lucky in the second round. I think if we get a second first we should use it to adress guard depth or center depth. I think it would come down to who is left and what pick we grab. Or even if we loose out on the bigs with our first pick i would not be opposed to taking a guard or trading back for two picks.

On another note, i really like Adreian Payne as a second round pick. He reminds me of a young raw okafur. He rebounds, he has good defensive up side, and offensive potential.

How about trying to bring in Barbosa to play behind Beal? He played on a 1mil. dollar contract for Boston.

I'm not sure Adreian Payne is that stable a player, I mean emotionally.

Absolutely no reason not to consider bringing him back. Oddly, we have heard very little from him. I have no read on what he wants to do.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

You're right about his defense but I think his offensive ability is being considerably underrated, AWIZZINGBULLET.

I don't know. I think teams just don't know where he would be best suited to play. He has post up game but isn't a long player, he can shoot the ball but isn't very athletic, I think that adds to where you find McDermott in these mock drafts.

I would love McDermott at 37.

I'd like to use our 1st rounder on a center... Len, Dieng, Adams, Olynyk, Withey. I like Len, but if he's gone, I certainly would not mind coming out of the draft with Dieng and McDermott, a couple smart, skilled players who will work hard and fit in.

If McDermott doesn't last, I'd be looking at Murphy, Kelly, Payne for that stretch 4 off the bench.

Then we try to package some assortment of young front court players Seraphin, Vesely, Singleton to a team with G depth for a vet guard.

McDermott at 37 would be a steal.

Are you talking trading down to get one of the centers not mocked as lottery picks?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

So, depending on if we grab another first, where is is and who is their. would you guys be ok with taking another guard in the first round, I know some people would be like, no we have john and beal why take another guard in the first round. But, our guards depth is **** and the only real way to fix it and not over pay someone, is to spend a first round pick on a good guard or to get lucky in the second round. I think if we get a second first we should use it to adress guard depth or center depth. I think it would come down to who is left and what pick we grab. Or even if we loose out on the bigs with our first pick i would not be opposed to taking a guard or trading back for two picks.

On another note, i really like Adreian Payne as a second round pick. He reminds me of a young raw okafur. He rebounds, he has good defensive up side, and offensive potential.

How about trying to bring in Barbosa to play behind Beal? He played on a 1mil. dollar contract for Boston.

I'm not sure Adreian Payne is that stable a player, I mean emotionally.

You know, I had completely forgot about Barbosa. I mean, looking for a vet 3rd G who can score and play both G spots, hmmm.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

So, depending on if we grab another first, where is is and who is their. would you guys be ok with taking another guard in the first round, I know some people would be like, no we have john and beal why take another guard in the first round. But, our guards depth is **** and the only real way to fix it and not over pay someone, is to spend a first round pick on a good guard or to get lucky in the second round. I think if we get a second first we should use it to adress guard depth or center depth. I think it would come down to who is left and what pick we grab. Or even if we loose out on the bigs with our first pick i would not be opposed to taking a guard or trading back for two picks.

On another note, i really like Adreian Payne as a second round pick. He reminds me of a young raw okafur. He rebounds, he has good defensive up side, and offensive potential.

How about trying to bring in Barbosa to play behind Beal? He played on a 1mil. dollar contract for Boston.

I'm not sure Adreian Payne is that stable a player, I mean emotionally.

Absolutely no reason not to consider bringing him back. Oddly, we have heard very little from him. I have no read on what he wants to do.

It's strange, it's like he fell off the face of the earth when he found out he was a Wizard. No interviews, nothing. Hopefully Nene can get in his Brazilian brethren's ear and coax him into giving it a shot in D.C..

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Are you talking trading down to get one of the centers not mocked as lottery picks?

No, I was just talking about a center with our 1st rounder as is, whoever we deem as best center still on the board. Then at 37 getting that stretch 4.

Just seems to me looking at the mocks whose expected to be available where, those seem to be the best value positions at those 2 picks. Center at 8 and Stretch 4 at 37.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Are you talking trading down to get one of the centers not mocked as lottery picks?

No, I was just talking about a center with our 1st rounder as is, whoever we deem as best center still on the board. Then at 37 getting that stretch 4.

Just seems to me looking at the mocks whose expected to be available where, those seem to be the best value positions at those 2 picks. Center at 8 and Stretch 4 at 37.

I think you have to go with need+value at 8. I think only Olynyk and Len are centers worth taking a shot on, though I think Len is somewhat of a gamble at 8 with other guys still available.

[Dr Positivity]

Isn't it strange that an elite physical talent PF lacking skill in Noel is the 1st pick, but an elite skill PF lacking physical talent in McDermott is 2nd round? McDermott is black swan Noel. NBA teams have historically learned the hard way about treating athleticism and length as more important than skill...

[DCZards]

How about trying to bring in Barbosa to play behind Beal? He played on a 1mil. dollar contract for Boston.

I'm not sure Adreian Payne is that stable a player, I mean emotionally.

Absolutely no reason not to consider bringing him back. Oddly, we have heard very little from him. I have no read on what he wants to do.

Last year around this time some people on this board were saying that Okafor and Ariza were injured, old and washed up....and both had pretty good seasons with the Zards. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Barbosa as a possible contributor next season. You never know.

[hands11]

Ok, I keep reading about Doug D who I think will find a role in the NBA but I don't think a lot of his game will translate. Props to him having a nice college career but I guess for me I don't think a lot of his garbage game around the basket is going to translate. Great motor though.

I think I lot of have to do with how he measures. If he comes in at 6-7, he is toast.

Here is the question. Why would you take him over Muscala or Erik Murphy for this team.

Name Team Jump-Shots Per-Game PPP on Jumpers
Doug McDermott Creighton 4.5 1.34
Erik Murphy Florida 4.3 1.28
Christian Watford Indiana 3 1.21
Jake Cohen Davidson 3 1.19
Anthony Bennett UNLV 3.4 1.05
Ryan Kelly Duke 5 1.03

[stevemcqueen1]

How about trying to bring in Barbosa to play behind Beal? He played on a 1mil. dollar contract for Boston.

I'm not sure Adreian Payne is that stable a player, I mean emotionally.

Absolutely no reason not to consider bringing him back. Oddly, we have heard very little from him. I have no read on what he wants to do.

Last year around this time some people on this board were saying that Okafor and Ariza were injured, old and washed up....and both had pretty good seasons with the Zards. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Barbosa as a possible contributor next season. You never know.

They weren't coming off a torn ACL in February though. Barbosa isn't going to be healthy by October, much less this summer when we need to be building our core for next year. He might not even see the court for any team until after the AS break next season. If he were healthy, I'd be for bringing him in as the third guard. But if he were healthy, he'd probably still be in Boston. We can't really afford to spend money and earmark a rotation spot to bring in a new player who is currently severely injured.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If McDermott is gone before 37, I really like Erik Murphy. 6-10 PF at Florida, former teammate of Beal. Seems to be a worker, good improvements through his college career in his game and his body/strength, and shot 45% from 3 on 4.5 attempts per game.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Ok, I keep reading about Doug D who I think will find a role in the NBA but I don't think a lot of his game will translate.

Here is the question. Why would you take him over Erik Murphy or even Muscala for this team.


Name Team Jump-Shots Per-Game PPP on Jumpers
Doug McDermott Creighton 4.5 1.34
Erik Murphy Florida 4.3 1.28
Christian Watford Indiana 3 1.21
Jake Cohen Davidson 3 1.19
Anthony Bennett UNLV 3.4 1.05
Ryan Kelly Duke 5 1.03

What does PPP stand for and what is 1.34 an indicator of?