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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#261 » by Icness » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:11 pm

kdawg32086 wrote:Some comments from the Ravens pre-draft press conference:
-Joe Horitz says the WR class is very deep in the middle rounds (hinting at a potential pick there?)
-Ozzie Newsome says there's a safety in every round of the draft that the Ravens could end up drafting
-John Harbaugh says he feels good about Manti Te'o as a player and a leader, and that he had a great interview with the Ravens

Jeff, how much of this is a smokescreen or them just rambling to keep the press happy?


Horitz is dead on, very deep WR class from rounds 2-5. I have 52 WRs with draftable grades. Last year I had 33.

There is a safety in every round where the Ravens pick, though the two in the first (Vaccaro and Cyprien) figure to be long gone and nobody else belongs above 50.

Just in general, people are too down on Te'o. I've heard from numerous sources that he nailed the greaseboard parts of interviews. He's a charismatic guy, very likable. I don't think he lasts until 32.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#262 » by Harry Palmer » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:49 pm

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Rumblings that the 9ers are looking to move up for Austin.

*are you hearing anything?
*what do you feel the move would involve?
*how do you like the fit?


I've heard them, the rumors happen to involve a team I am commonly associated with 8-), among other trade partners

To ensure getting Austin they would have to move to #5 because Cleveland could take him. The Browns are unlikely to do that, but the Jets at 9 are a definite landing spot, as is TEN at 10. To move from 31 to 8, that costs a lot. As the Bills at 8 I would ask for 31, 34, 93, & 157, but give SF the option of paying the 3rd or later next year. At 5 the Lions would ask for 31 & 34 plus next year's 1st.

IMO it's not the best place for Austin to land. What makes him so valuable is that he can play in the slot or out of the backfield. But the Niners already have Lamichael James to do the backfield stuff, and Vernon Davis is better as a receiver out of the slot. Austin definitely brings some vitality and dynamic potential to the offense as a creator and YAC guy, but I'm not sure if he doesn't take away some from what makes Kaepernick so effective and what other guys do well. I'm confident Harbaugh would find a way to make it work though. I just like Austin better where he's not as pigeonholed.



Interesting, thanks!

I was thinking it was a threshold kind of deal; as in, if Buff goes Geno, etc. Like if he gets to a certain point, ``11 or thereabouts, then they make the move. I did not realize they were looking at getting him as a 'this is our guy' thing. Very interesting. I suppose there are only a few needs and a ton of picks, so concentration makes some sense.

Schematically, I get your reservations. I think he fits with Harbaugh's idea of 'dominate physically at the line/ get electric skill guys at the skill positions' thing, but agree with you about the overfill at the slot. It would seem they want a 'take the top off' type, which would make more sense outside. My best guess is they want a playmaker type that can't be accounted for with individual matchups, and VD will gradually lose that capability as he ages. It certainly caught me off guard, this rumor.

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As an aside, I get a general vibe from you about Harbaugh, and it's one I see elsewhere which is sort of like a new Darth Hoodie thing, where people really dislike his personality, but think he might be a football genius. Is my impression of your take in the ballpark? I originally thought him very likeable, in part because I assumed a lot of what he says is meant ironically, but as time has gone on I can see him being a guy people could hate if he wasn't your guy.

To me it comes down to this; EVERYTHING is a do or die competition with him. Including press conferences, interviews, conversations. He wants to 'win' everyone of them, and a lot of those scenarios don't actually have to be antagonistic. (I would qualify it slightly in terms of with his players, where I feel he is a little different). His brother seems to remain as competitive in sports without it translating to everything else as much, or maybe he just hides it better.

I do think Jim is an oncoming genius, but I worry about burn-out.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#263 » by Manhattan Project » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:41 am

How you ever seen a prospect with the skills of Leon Sandcastle?

In all seriousness, I have a friend who refuses to watch the draft on NFL Network. He says he to comfortable with McShay/Kiper and doesn't want to leave that. If you had to build an argument as to why the NFL Network is better on draft day, how would it look? I tried to convince him to do ESPN for first round; NFL Network for second round and on.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#264 » by catalyst » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:25 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:How you ever seen a prospect with the skills of Leon Sandcastle?

In all seriousness, I have a friend who refuses to watch the draft on NFL Network. He says he to comfortable with McShay/Kiper and doesn't want to leave that. If you had to build an argument as to why the NFL Network is better on draft day, how would it look? I tried to convince him to do ESPN for first round; NFL Network for second round and on.


In Dallas, Norm Hitzges takes over 1310 the Ticket to radio broadcast the entire draft. Quite insane/crazy making, but so great. In his mind every pick "Is an interesting kid!" He has done this for years, and also goes to NBA draft. Fun to watch on ESPN, but there is so much time between picks that it is a challenge for any network to make good TV when the action is very fast, then the delay until the next pick. One way to make it better would be to autodraft!!
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#265 » by Icness » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:34 pm

As an aside, I get a general vibe from you about Harbaugh, and it's one I see elsewhere which is sort of like a new Darth Hoodie thing, where people really dislike his personality, but think he might be a football genius. Is my impression of your take in the ballpark? I originally thought him very likeable, in part because I assumed a lot of what he says is meant ironically, but as time has gone on I can see him being a guy people could hate if he wasn't your guy.

To me it comes down to this; EVERYTHING is a do or die competition with him. Including press conferences, interviews, conversations. He wants to 'win' everyone of them, and a lot of those scenarios don't actually have to be antagonistic. (I would qualify it slightly in terms of with his players, where I feel he is a little different). His brother seems to remain as competitive in sports without it translating to everything else as much, or maybe he just hides it better.

I do think Jim is an oncoming genius, but I worry about burn-out.


I think that's a good summation. I know A LOT of people within the league cannot stand him, think he's the most arrogant prick they've seen. Rex Ryan is a bombastic arrogant jackass but at least he's funny and engaging. Harbaugh's not one to play nice or make civil in social situations with anyone. I've personally only ever been in the same room as him once, in a group setting, and he didn't say a thing in an hour.

Burnout is a definite risk with him. It's not likely to end well for either party, so enjoy the ride while it lasts. He's a fantastic football find and the Niners have done a great job getting him players who will buy into his shtick.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#266 » by Icness » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:41 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:How you ever seen a prospect with the skills of Leon Sandcastle?

In all seriousness, I have a friend who refuses to watch the draft on NFL Network. He says he to comfortable with McShay/Kiper and doesn't want to leave that. If you had to build an argument as to why the NFL Network is better on draft day, how would it look? I tried to convince him to do ESPN for first round; NFL Network for second round and on.


Mike Mayock and Daniel Jeremiah are the best argument I can give. Jeremiah is the most grounded, honest evaluator out there and he worked for the Ravens for years. He's what ESPN desperately wanted McShay to be. Mayock gets on my nerves (my problem, not his) but he's right a lot more than he's wrong.

I love Mel Kiper, You will never hear anything different from me. McShay on the other hand :evil:
I also get real tired of Berman and his increasing cluelessness as to what is going on around him.

Y'all should give Bleacher Report's streaming coverage a try this year. I'm not a big B/R advocate (I loathe the slideshows!) but their NFL draft people put in more film work in a week than McShay does in a year. They are connected, they are passionate, and they are pretty good guys. I'm ostensibly a competitor to them but guys like Matt Miller, Ryan Riddle and Michael Schottey have never been anything but courteous and respectful to me, both online and in person.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#267 » by Dalbi » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:10 pm

Jeff,

I looked at a recent mock draft of your (http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/0 ... y-edition/) and had a few questions.

How would Dion Jordan fit with the Chiefs when they have Tamba Hali and Justin Houston?

Why do you have Jonathan Cyprien and Justin Hunter going before other players at their respective positions such as Vaccaro and Patterson? Do you think that is more likely or that they are better players?

Finally, I may have missed something about Tyler Wilson. In January you were projecting him as a top ten pick, but in your newest mock you have him going in the third round. Just wondering if this is drop is because you do not value him as high anymore or because you think teams do not value him anymore.
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Post#268 » by ATL Boy » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:44 pm

Jeff,

There have been multiple reports that the Falcons are looking to move up in the draft, if they do who do you think they'll get and how much do you think it would cost to move up?
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#269 » by Icness » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:35 pm

Dalbi wrote:Jeff,

I looked at a recent mock draft of your (http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/0 ... y-edition/) and had a few questions.

How would Dion Jordan fit with the Chiefs when they have Tamba Hali and Justin Houston?

Why do you have Jonathan Cyprien and Justin Hunter going before other players at their respective positions such as Vaccaro and Patterson? Do you think that is more likely or that they are better players?

Finally, I may have missed something about Tyler Wilson. In January you were projecting him as a top ten pick, but in your newest mock you have him going in the third round. Just wondering if this is drop is because you do not value him as high anymore or because you think teams do not value him anymore.


I cannot answer the first question other than to say it's a new regime, new coaching staff, and if big changes are coming now is the time to act. The person who told me about Jordan--and I will reiterate that it is not a done decision yet--has given me reliable Chiefs info for years and is someone I trust is not blowing smoke.

I do think Cyprien goes over Vaccaro. More reliable and rangier as a safety in coverage. Vaccaro's big selling point is that he can play inside corner in the nickel, but that means the team taking him still needs a safety in that formation & he would not rank among the top 5 corners. I believe NFL teams see this more than most draftniks do. I still 100% believe Vaccaro doesn't fall beyond Dallas.

Patterson has lost a lot of luster as teams have gotten to know more about him. He's got a great deal of risk on a variety of levels. Personally I would take him over Hunter 10 times out of 10 but I'm not making those decisions.

My mocks always reflect what I think teams will do, not what I would do. That is the case with Tyler Wilson, whom I bought into a little too high early on. It also reflects why I have EJ Manuel in the top 10 even though I wouldn't take him before the 4th round.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#270 » by Icness » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:42 pm

ATL Boy wrote:Jeff,

There have been multiple reports that the Falcons are looking to move up in the draft, if they do who do you think they'll get and how much do you think it would cost to move up?


If it's for a pass rusher, and I strongly suspect it is, think Datone Jones. To ensure getting him they have to get in front of the Giants at 19, because they very well could take him. I don't think the Giants would take him but they're a credible threat to do so. That would cost ATL a 3rd rounder and something like a 4th next year too.

If it's for a corner, tough to say how far they need to go up. For Milliner, that means another Julio Jones kind of move, 30 to 6 and Cleveland. 1st & 2nd this year, 1st next year. Minimum. For Rhodes, gotta get in front of Miami at 12. For Trufant, good question; could be 14 and Carolina or PIT at 17, or they could sweat it out and see if he falls.

It's funny how quickly everyone assumed they want to move WAY up. it might just be 4-5 spots. I do know they very much like Datone Jones and have for some time.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#271 » by ATL Boy » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:11 am

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ATL Boy wrote:Jeff,

There have been multiple reports that the Falcons are looking to move up in the draft, if they do who do you think they'll get and how much do you think it would cost to move up?


If it's for a pass rusher, and I strongly suspect it is, think Datone Jones. To ensure getting him they have to get in front of the Giants at 19, because they very well could take him. I don't think the Giants would take him but they're a credible threat to do so. That would cost ATL a 3rd rounder and something like a 4th next year too.

If it's for a corner, tough to say how far they need to go up. For Milliner, that means another Julio Jones kind of move, 30 to 6 and Cleveland. 1st & 2nd this year, 1st next year. Minimum. For Rhodes, gotta get in front of Miami at 12. For Trufant, good question; could be 14 and Carolina or PIT at 17, or they could sweat it out and see if he falls.

It's funny how quickly everyone assumed they want to move WAY up. it might just be 4-5 spots. I do know they very much like Datone Jones and have for some time.

Thanks Jeff, I love the answer, insightful as ever :)
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Post#272 » by CJ_18 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:31 pm

So Jeff, I'm just reading this story on NFL.com about a guy whose name i'd never heard before. DJ Hayden suffered a rare life-threatening injury last year and missed lots of time and now that he has been medically cleared just before the draft, Mike Mayock has vaulted him ahead of all other corners (including Milliner) and he is now the #1 corner in the draft according to Mayock.

What do you have on him? I was watching some of his highlights and he seems like an absolute stud and big time playmaker.
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Post#273 » by Icness » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:38 am

CJ_18 wrote:So Jeff, I'm just reading this story on NFL.com about a guy whose name i'd never heard before. DJ Hayden suffered a rare life-threatening injury last year and missed lots of time and now that he has been medically cleared just before the draft, Mike Mayock has vaulted him ahead of all other corners (including Milliner) and he is now the #1 corner in the draft according to Mayock.

What do you have on him? I was watching some of his highlights and he seems like an absolute stud and big time playmaker.


Great player. Very aggressive man cover corner, attacks the football with good instinct and a very good closing burst. Innately sticky man coverage, pretty solid in cloud zone. I saw the Cougars in person twice in his career and he dominated the games. Dominated UCLA. He is my #3 corner after getting medical clearance. Has not faced much viable NFL-level competition, although he played very well against Quinton Patton, completely erased him for half the game. Like Dee Milliner he gets his hands on a lot of balls but doesn't catch as many as he should. Decent run defender, gets overaggressive at times though. Grounded, smart, mature young man who has one hell of a story with the severed blood vessel. Had the injury not happened he would have been in the Senior Bowl and could have vaulted himself into the top 20 overall. I think he goes in the 30-45 range now just because teams are going to have the injury in the back of their minds. He's not quite as tall but he bears some stylistic resemblance to Champ Bailey.

FWIW my #1 CB is Jamar Taylor, not Dee Milliner, Xavier Rhodes is not in my top 5.
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#274 » by studcrackers » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:59 am

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Manhattan Project wrote:How you ever seen a prospect with the skills of Leon Sandcastle?

In all seriousness, I have a friend who refuses to watch the draft on NFL Network. He says he to comfortable with McShay/Kiper and doesn't want to leave that. If you had to build an argument as to why the NFL Network is better on draft day, how would it look? I tried to convince him to do ESPN for first round; NFL Network for second round and on.


In Dallas, Norm Hitzges takes over 1310 the Ticket to radio broadcast the entire draft. Quite insane/crazy making, but so great. In his mind every pick "Is an interesting kid!" He has done this for years, and also goes to NBA draft. Fun to watch on ESPN, but there is so much time between picks that it is a challenge for any network to make good TV when the action is very fast, then the delay until the next pick. One way to make it better would be to autodraft!!


norm is a must listen every year, especially for the dallas-centric fan. just a shame rick gossellin was moved off the nfl beat to cover everything b/c nobodies better at the draft then him

as for the major networks. they can both suck a dick for spoiling every single f*ckin pick before goodell announces it. drives me up a wall, no surprises anymore
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Re: 2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question 

Post#275 » by oldphatc » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:15 am

Jeff , in regard to D. Freeney . first of all , does he have anything left ? second , is he strictly a 4-3 guy or can he also fit in a 3-4 . Says he wants circa $6 mil. per. Card fan here , we could use help in getting to the passer . Prior to your response I will say thanks for any info . first 3 rds. i'm looking OL , OLB , and safety or CB . Detroit is 2 spots ahead of us in the draft and we have simular needs . We can't beat anyone and then we beat the Lions down the stretch . Oh well , life goes on.
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Post#276 » by Icness » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:28 am

oldphatc wrote:Jeff , in regard to D. Freeney . first of all , does he have anything left ? second , is he strictly a 4-3 guy or can he also fit in a 3-4 . Says he wants circa $6 mil. per. Card fan here , we could use help in getting to the passer . Prior to your response I will say thanks for any info . first 3 rds. i'm looking OL , OLB , and safety or CB . Detroit is 2 spots ahead of us in the draft and we have simular needs . We can't beat anyone and then we beat the Lions down the stretch . Oh well , life goes on.


Freeney can still play in a limited role, not a full-time guy anymore. Definitely a 4-3 rush end only, really struggled standing up, takes away from his best attribute, his low burst off the snap.

Your 1st pick will either be Lane Johnson or a pass rushing OLB like Mingo, will be very surprised if it's anything else. A guy that can play both OLB and DE is not out of reason as they figure to play more even-man fronts with Horton gone.
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Post#277 » by kdawg32086 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:53 am

I've been hearing rumors about Dion Jordan going to Kansas City at #1. Is there any truth to that?
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Post#278 » by CJ_18 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:25 am

Icness wrote:
CJ_18 wrote:So Jeff, I'm just reading this story on NFL.com about a guy whose name i'd never heard before. DJ Hayden suffered a rare life-threatening injury last year and missed lots of time and now that he has been medically cleared just before the draft, Mike Mayock has vaulted him ahead of all other corners (including Milliner) and he is now the #1 corner in the draft according to Mayock.

What do you have on him? I was watching some of his highlights and he seems like an absolute stud and big time playmaker.



FWIW my #1 CB is Jamar Taylor, not Dee Milliner, Xavier Rhodes is not in my top 5.


Wow, I know I havent been following the draft as much as I usually do but I'd never heard of Taylor either.

Thank you for that report. I thought i read that Hayden was 6' but anyways, sounds like he could be the steal of the draft
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Post#279 » by ATL Boy » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:47 pm

Jeff,

I've been reading about Miliner and I'm really excited about this kid. Any chance that the Falcons pull a Julio 2.0 and trade up all those spots?
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Post#280 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:38 am

I'm with you on Xavier Rhodes; I thought he was one of the more boom/bust players on a boom/bust FSU defense. I'm thankful my professional reputation isn't staked on taking him in the top 15.

Datone Jones was a very talented player who put up good numbers on a UCLA defense that had a lot of athletes but did not come together as well as what might be expected.
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