HotelVitale wrote:Pharaoh wrote:Chicago and Denver are extremely close to the luxury tax and if they go over it the guaranteed money they pay these rookies is doubled...
do you want to guarantee a late first round pick double his money? I don't think Denver or Chicago would
So many better ways to cut $1m than dealing a late first. Bulls can decline Rip's option, which they will, and be a few million under the cap, more than twice enough to cover the #20 pick's salary (which is $1.3m). Denver has a bunch of options to get $1.1m under the cap--Iguodala probably declines his option and resigns for less than $15m per year unless he walks altogether, or else they simply decline Julyan Stone or Anthony Randolph.
Yes, there are plenty of ways to get under the luxury tax... but I'm assuming we can get a late first rounder from a team over the threshold... a team that can't get under it
In that situation do those teams want to pay double for a late first in this Draft? It depends on how each team views the talent available in the late first round
There are players projected to be available at #20 like Jeff Withey, Gorgui Dieng, Dario Saric that should be contributors real soon. You really want guys like that locked up at $1m per year.
YYes, those kind of players are why I would like to see us try and trade into the late first round. Granted other teams would see the potential in the same group of players.... but again it's a payroll driven trade, not talent level
Edit: here are the last two trades made by teams trying to get into the post lotto range. You'll notice the price is much higher than a 38 and 56 pick:
--"The Cleveland Cavaliers acquired Kelenna Azubuike and the draft rights to 17th pick Tyler Zeller from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for the draft rights to 24th pick Jared Cunningham, 33rd pick Bernard James and 34th pick Jae Crowder.
In that scenario the 17th pick and a scrub is acquired for the 24th pick and 2 early 2nds... completely different scenario since I was talking about a team over the tax threshold that wants to trade out of the first round entirely
--The Philadelphia 76ers acquired the draft rights to 27th pick Arnett Moultrie from the Miami Heat in exchange for the draft rights to 45th pick Justin Hamilton and a future first-round draft pick."
I believe this is much closer to what I was talking about
The Heat gave up a late first due to tax considerations (IMO) for a mid 2nd and a future first... what is the protection on that Philly pick?
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed2014 first round draft pick to Miami
Philadelphia's own 2014 1st round pick to Miami (Top-14 Protected in the 2014 NBA Draft and top-14 protected in the 2015 Draft) If Miami has not yet received a first round pick by 2015, then they will receive Philadelphia's own 2015 and 2016 second round picks. [Miami-Philadelphia, 06/28/2012
So it's far more likely that Miami ends up getting 3 second round picks for #27...
Which is what I said: we should be looking to do a deal like that!