Pistons slogan:"When the going gets tough,we fire the coach"

[Goldtop]

Money talks. Frank got paid for 3 years and coached 2.

You'd think from JVG's comments of him being fired he's now homeless. What a pitiable soul Lawrence Frank is.

Also, its not like the Pistons forced Frank to come here. He knew the situation when he got here, that he was taking over a lottery team. If he didn't think there was enough talent here to win, then he shouldn't have taken the job. Plain and simple.

Unless there was something in the contract that said "we guarantee we'll get you more talent, but its going to take at least 2 yrs, and in the meantime we'll be ok with you only winning 27 gms/yr", then no one should have a problem with this firing.

When you only win 35% of your games through 2 yrs, and get off to starts of 4-20 and 0-8 in those years, your firing is justifiable.

[OneBadMutha]

This isn't a good roster and Dumars deserves lots of heat...but Frank did not do a great job either. It's all relative. Outside of how well Drummond developed with the help of Rogers, the coaching staff in general did a poor job. Monroe and Knight regressed. Stuckey had his worst season when Frank said he must learn how to be an off-the-ball player to continue to get big minute. Frank's system is not flexible. It doesn't adapt well to players.

But this is where it actually falls on Gores. For Frank to be successful, he would need a GM to bring in guys that fit his system. Since Dumars didn't want him, that wasn't going to happen. When Gores consulted with his guys and they told him to say no to Dumars choice and go with Frank, they should've fired Dumars at that point in time...or moved him to another role within the organization. The coach and GM were never on the same page.

Problem now is the only way you're going to get a really good coach in Detroit is if he's allowed to also have final say with the roster. Leaving that door open might be the only reason we haven't seen Joe fired yet or given any public support that he'll definitely be here next year. So those who want Joe fired may still get their wish.

[Minas]

If you want to call someone out, call them out, but not the franchise....I am tired of people acting like we are the Kings or Bobcats or Raptors, we are a franchise with hall of famers, all time great defensive teams and more championships than any team outside of the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs and Bulls...we do not have a losing culture.

This!!!

[Kyrama]

IMO we're potentially set at two positions. PF and center. That's it. That's not particular amazing. For everyone else we continue with this song and dance that our guys are skilled and will succeed. We're not seeing this and, for the most part as a fan base, just stick our heads in the sand and blame coaching. Who can blame you? It's easy to say <insert a coach's name here> didn't deliver instead of realizing the talent isn't there. Stuckey is Stuckey. Knight is a tweener that won't be able to fill our gap as a future PG. Jerebko and Maxiell won't be doing much.

I'm just wondering how we continue to play revolving coaches until we decide it's time to part with Dumars. When do we hold him responsible? The coaches are terrible? Guess who is hiring them! Blame management and ownership too. Every summer we all say "This is it. Dumars is in the hot seat." Let's finally do something about it.

[mercury]

Gore's committee thought that Frank was the guy... maybe he should hold himself accountable.

[Sheeeeed]

Gore's committee thought that Frank was the guy... maybe he should hold himself accountable.

Oh whats he going to do? Say I failed as an owner, and sell the team? Dumars didn't exactly set Frank up to succeed. Thinking you can add 5 rookies to an already young team, and expect the playoffs is damn naïve.

[Warspite]

This thread should be titled

Circle firing squad after unrealistic expectations.


Frank was hired to teach the young players and tank. He did his job and as a reward hes getting a bonus of 100% of his salary. Thankyou Frank

Now its off to find a new coach who will get us to .500 and further develope our players.

[qm22]

Local reporter Vince Ellis tweeted (saw this via Pistonpowered) that he heard from many players that Frank was unresponsive/doesn't listen at all, and there was no relationship.

Not that anyone has really been defending Frank much on this board, but I thought it was interesting. I thought Frank was something of a communicator/motivator (I remember that is what some people from NJ said anyway). Given the regression/lack of progress of Monroe/Knight this complaint by players is of importance (not that it wouldn't be normally). It is funny people rip the character of our players like JVG, and that usually means something like "not listening".

Can anyone really say anything Frank did well? Now it seems that communication and personal relations with the players is gone, his use of players in roles and overall rotation has always been considered bad, and we fail to execute basic plays... I really can't. He was sold as some high character guy, and always gave that sort of vibe in post-games, but there isn't much evidence of that. Now it seems like he did not bother to communicate with players in addition to quitting on the job but wanting to get fired so that he could get paid.

I'd just like JVG or anyone to show some evidence of something Frank has done well -____-

[Piston Pete]

Frank was great at expediting the firing process by baiting Gores....

[MrBigShot]

He was decent. Had the motivation/respect part down, or at least I thought so...but not quite the Xs and Os.

Screw JVG and ANYTHING he says regarding coaches. He will ALWAYS defend the coach, regardless of performance or situation.

[Goldtop]

I wonder if JVG is going to call out Jordan now, since he just fired his 6th coach in 7 yrs!

[Kilo]

^And after one year with an atrociously bad team.

[MrBigShot]

I wonder if JVG is going to call out Jordan now, since he just fired his 6th coach in 7 yrs!

Wow, I thought our track record has been bad recently...

[Sheeeeed]

Local reporter Vince Ellis tweeted (saw this via Pistonpowered) that he heard from many players that Frank was unresponsive/doesn't listen at all, and there was no relationship.

Not that anyone has really been defending Frank much on this board, but I thought it was interesting. I thought Frank was something of a communicator/motivator (I remember that is what some people from NJ said anyway). Given the regression/lack of progress of Monroe/Knight this complaint by players is of importance (not that it wouldn't be normally). It is funny people rip the character of our players like JVG, and that usually means something like "not listening".

Can anyone really say anything Frank did well? Now it seems that communication and personal relations with the players is gone, his use of players in roles and overall rotation has always been considered bad, and we fail to execute basic plays... I really can't. He was sold as some high character guy, and always gave that sort of vibe in post-games, but there isn't much evidence of that. Now it seems like he did not bother to communicate with players in addition to quitting on the job but wanting to get fired so that he could get paid.

I'd just like JVG or anyone to show some evidence of something Frank has done well -____-

Kinda hard to take the players too seriously considering this is would be the 4th coach in a row that had a bad relationship with the players and got fired. Its that very reason I have no problem with what JVG said. Michael Curry was supposedly safe after the 09 season, and Joe eventually fired him because Hamilton wanted out.

[BadMofoPimp]

Maybe because JVG can't get a job while he has problems lasting with a Coaching job himself. Anyways, welcome to professional sports. I see teams in all pro sports with coaches that only last 2-3 years. Cry me a river: JVG!!!

Stan is the man, but Jeff was always a whiney lil btch

[qm22]

He was decent. Had the motivation/respect part down, or at least I thought so...but not quite the Xs and Os.

Screw JVG and ANYTHING he says regarding coaches. He will ALWAYS defend the coach, regardless of performance or situation.

That's what I thought up until his firing, but if you don't have a decent way to communicate with players, how is that even going to start to happen?

Here is the actual tweet,

https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/statuses/ ... 9922157570
Vincent Goodwill of the Detroit News:

One thing I constantly heard from Pistons players was "he doesn’t listen, there’s no real relationship". How is that on anybody BUT Frank?

No reports came out so I think the Pistons just kept all issues to themselves and asked reporters to keep damaging info confidential until now. The way it is worded suggests it is more than just a few disgruntled players with bad attitudes.

[Blkbrd671]

You can tell from the way Frank talks in that he never thinks he's wrong and thinks he has everything figured out.