2013 Draft Thread

Post #1401 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:41 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:Would you guys trade our pick for Harrison Barnes if the deal was offered?

Yes, unless our pick jumped to the top of the lotto. I like Noel more than Barnes.

RunDogGun · Post #1402 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:49 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
One thing I believe is certain with them....Blanks cannot whiff on their additions (coach included) else he will be packing. He had better be doing his homework.... the dog will eat him if he forgets to.

Toto?

King4Day · Post #1403 » by **King4Day** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:02 pm

What's the thinking in this forum about who to pick should we win the lottery? And if we stick with 4th, what's the projections?

I am leery of Noel. A knee injury and torn ACL in a career that includes High School and 1 year of college scares me a lot. I'm still for McLemore.

thamadkant · Post #1404 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:52 pm

1. Wise FA acquisition and signing Ellis, Milsap, Iggy or Smith does not go hand in hand.... Unless these players are signed under 7 million a year... With team option after first.

2. Signin one of them and a good rookie also doesn't mean playoffs...
Look at the competition for the playoffs.. Blazers, Mavs, Jazz.... All willing to make big moves this off season too....

I rather let them all make short term splashes and sacrifice the next decade ... So Suns can arise "clean" rebuild in 2014... Or beyond.

Should be rebuilding to be one the best young teams in 2014 and beyond rather than a fringe playoff team for the next 5 years....

RunSunRun · Post #1405 » by **RunSunRun** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:14 pm

sunskerr wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:IDK, i see Dallas making a big push for Jennings in the offseason. He's a stud.

No he's not. He's a hideously overrated chucker who has been feasting of the fame of a 55 point game that happened 3 years ago.

Have to agree, Jennings has Bucks fans wanting him gone ASAP, a team that is starved for an all-star, should tell you a lot about the perception of Jennings from a fan base who watches his every game.

He's going to get overpaid too.

Regarding Harrison Barnes - yes if we end up outside the top 3.

Regarding tanking or free agents - I'm not a fan of the major free agents. Josh Smith is not a piece to build around and is going to get very near a max contract. Ellis didn't work with Curry and Jennings, doubt it will work with an even more ball dominant Dragic, Ellis needs to be a first option/primary ball handler. Millsap just disappears at time, granted Utah has a ton of bigs, but the guy shouldn't being turning invisible.

Iggy and Aminu are the main two that would be interesting to look at. Iggy may not want to be here though if he values winning a championship, he'll turn 30 next season and mat want to be on a competitive team rather than being on a rebuild project. However, if he just wants one last big contract in his career though, he may come here. Aminu looks like the only guy I would target, still very young, could come cheap, and can be a nice piece for the future.

I just feel we aren't that close to the playoffs. The eight teams ahead of us I don't see us catching up to except maybe the Lakers if things collapse. However, Minnesota should be better next year without the injury plague, Portland will address their center and bench needs, and Dallas has Cuban who will retool for one last run with Dirk.

If anything we may be WORSE next year if we move Gortat, Scola, Dudley, etc. and just play our young guys like Marshall, the twins, and whoever we end up drafting with our two first rounders.

Ryu · Post #1406 » by **Ryu** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:28 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:Would you guys trade our pick for Harrison Barnes if the deal was offered?

No. I like Noel, McLemore, Oladipo, Porter and Bennett more than Barnes and we can draft one of them.

Sunsfan03 · Post #1407 » by **Sunsfan03** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:21 pm

Ryu wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:Would you guys trade our pick for Harrison Barnes if the deal was offered?

No. I like Noel, McLemore, Oladipo, Porter and Bennett more than Barnes and we can draft one of them.

Foe sure, Harrison Barnes hasn't proved anything yet in terms of putting it together. But I'd take Barns over Porter though...

PHX Maniak · Post #1408 » by **PHX Maniak** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:45 am

What's your guys' perception on Bennett? I admittedly didn't watch all that much college ball this year but from what I've read/seen it seems like he's too much of a tweener. Do the Suns really take that with the Morris' already?

I'm not saying our solution at SF/PF or whatever should be those two, but is that really the spot the team should address?

Guy looks like he could be a great piece if he pans out, though.

thamadkant · Post #1409 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:00 am

You dont take Bennett unless Morris twins and Beasley trades are placed...

DirtyDez · Post #1410 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:06 am

1UPZ wrote:You dont take Bennett unless Morris twins and Beasley trades are placed...

Why? Bennett will be better all 3...

Morris Twins are backups and Beasley will be cut.

Post #1411 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:12 am

I'm not feeling Bennett. Too much of a tweener.

Revived · Post #1412 » by **Revived** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:10 am

Ryu wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:Would you guys trade our pick for Harrison Barnes if the deal was offered?

No. I like Noel, McLemore, Oladipo, Porter and Bennett more than Barnes and we can draft one of them.

Why do you like Oladipo and Porter better than Barnes?

Oladipo is basically a Wesley Matthews type player. His ceiling is a SG version of Shawn Marion that can also shoot 3s.

Porter can't shoot to save his life.

ASU MVP · Post #1413 » by **ASU MVP** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:19 am

Sucks that Marcus Smart decided to stay in school. Not very smart for him (pun intended) because this draft is very weak and next year's is looking very strong. And the injury factor is always there. Him staying in school almost killed our chances of nabbing Mclemore if we don't move up on lottery day

Sunsfan03 · Post #1414 » by **Sunsfan03** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:54 am

Morris twins have shown that they are not starter material.
They will be put on the bench if Bennet comes in.

Why is being a tweener so bad??
Is it because of length?
Bennet might be only 6'7 but he has a 7'1 wingspan to make up for it. also 240 pounds
Can definitely play PF

He has a pretty solid offensive moves and very explosive at 240 pounds.
He will be an offensive monster if he puts it together, moreso than Shabazz if we wanted to draft based on offensive potential.

I personally would pick either Bennet or Oladipo at the 4th pick.

p.s. I will pick Bennet only if we got a 2nd draft pick to get a wing or get a wing from a trade. we really NEED to develop a wing... :-?

thamadkant · Post #1415 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:17 am

A tweener... (Betweener)

Too small to be a PF (score inside, grab a lot of rebounds, cannot guard big men)
Too slow to be a SF (cannot guard small forwards, too slow to be a slasher, does not have a reliable outside shot because grew up playing inside)

SG and SF tweeners aren't as bad becaus both have similar skills...

But SF/PF is really obvious.... See Beasley.

Bennett if he can focus as PF... Ala like Milsap and of course Barkley and LJ back in the days.
Can be very useful... If not be successful in the NBA...

Marion was an elite rebounder... Not just his size but in the whole NBA... Big men included.
He played a tweener role under the SSOL Suns... PF.. But since Marion was such a terrific rebounder and so active both sides of the court.. He actually caused mismatches and was a nightmare against most PF...
Defensively Marion disrupted lanes and was so quick at grabbing rebound he was "not bad" against PFs...

Now if Bennett could rebound as well as Marion... And focus on using his bulk to score inside... And part time use his perimeter skills and mid range to bring out PFs outside the key...
Then he will be an All Star...

Barkley was 6'6... But he was a beastly athlete... Arguably more athletic than Lebron James if you factor in Barkley regularly dunked ferociously in traffic... Out jumped big men for rebounds and out-powered his way inside.

But looking at Barkley, Marion and LJ.... Bennett isn't the same athletically not same in aggressiveness inside...
I think Bennett becomes a Clarence Weatherspoon, Milsap type.. 13ppg 6-7rpg ... SF/PF.... Heck ill be surprise if he rebounds as well as Faried. (6'8 235lbs)

Would love to be proven wrong .. NBA is due for an elite under 6'8 PF...

SunZel · Post #1416 » by **SunZel** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:50 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:
Ryu wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:Would you guys trade our pick for Harrison Barnes if the deal was offered?

No. I like Noel, McLemore, Oladipo, Porter and Bennett more than Barnes and we can draft one of them.

Why do you like Oladipo and Porter better than Barnes?

Oladipo is basically a Wesley Matthews type player. His ceiling is a SG version of Shawn Marion that can also shoot 3s.

Porter can't shoot to save his life.

Wow....Porter cant shoot, really? I hate when people talk about players they have never watched. What has Barnes shown that would warrant trading a lottery pick for him? I would also take Porter over Barnes.

TruthTelling · Post #1417 » by **TruthTelling** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:23 pm

A 7'1 wingspan does not make up for being 6'7 as a PF because most 6'10 PFs have a 7'1 wingspan or better.

No-Man · Post #1418 » by **No-Man** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:37 pm

TruthTelling wrote:A 7'1 wingspan does not make up for being 6'7 as a PF because most 6'10 PFs have a 7'1 wingspan or better.

most of the PF are WHAT? :lol:

Sunsfan03 · Post #1419 » by **Sunsfan03** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:15 pm

TruthTelling wrote:A 7'1 wingspan does not make up for being 6'7 as a PF because most 6'10 PFs have a 7'1 wingspan or better.

Well, lets say people thought 3 is better than 1,
I say its not 1 but 2,
I know 3 is better 2, but there is less of a gap.

thamadkant · Post #1420 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:44 pm

Sunsfan03 wrote:
TruthTelling wrote:A 7'1 wingspan does not make up for being 6'7 as a PF because most 6'10 PFs have a 7'1 wingspan or better.

Well, lets say people thought 3 is better than 1,
I say its not 1 but 2,
I know 3 is better 2, but there is less of a gap.

WTH is going on here?

I dont even....

its like a riddle within a riddle.