ROUND 1 GAME 2: BULLS @ NETS | Monday | 8:00pm | TNT

[NyCeEvO]

This is pretty comical. We wanted him from day 1 to play like a role player, a catch and shoot, pass the ball, play within the offense type player and let Deron/Brook do the bulk of scoring. When he was overly aggressive, he was bashed for being a selfish ISO player and those days are over. I'm not sure exactly, what is the logic here. You're mad he's playing scared, then say he's a role player then say he never seeks to kill the defense...but he's a role player at best, right? They don't do that.

If you want him to attack more, I understand but that right there made no sense at all.

What? I think you're completely misunderstanding my point.

Bosh is a great player, but in MIA he's relegated to being a role player because he doesn't dictate the offense, LBJ and Wade do.The same thing went for Harden in the years he was with OKC.

Being overly aggressive does not mean ISO-ing all day. It means when given the ball, you attack the basket and try to make things happen. Overdribbling is not being aggressive. That shows indecision and a stifling of the offense.

For argument's sake, let's compare the 3rd wheel JJ to Bosh to Harden (when he was in OKC), since they're all role players in the sense that they're neither the first or second option on their team.
USG%
Bosh: 22.7, JJ: 21.7, Harden: 21.6


In 33.2 mpg, Chris Bosh averages 16.6ppg.
In 36.7mpg, JJ averages 16.3ppg.
In 31.4mpg, Harden averaged 16.8ppg

Per 36, that's 18.1points for Bosh, 15.9 points for JJ, 19.3ppg for Harden

TS%/eFG%
Bosh: .592/.546, JJ: .521/.493, Harden: .660/.582

ORTG/DRTG
Bosh: 114/103, JJ: 109/111, Harden: 125/105

PER
Bosh: 20.08, JJ: 14.14, Harden: 21.1

Playing as a 3rd wheel is supposed to increase your efficiency and shot selection since the defense has to worry about two other offensive weapons.

Wanna explain why JJ's efficiency is worse than every season since 2003-04 when he was 22 years old?

People complain about Bosh but he at least knows his role and takes over when the others are not present.

Idk how you can defend JJ.

Overall, he's sucked this season. Basically all metrics show that he's been nowhere near close to a star player this season.

Even as a 3rd member of the Big 3, he's been pretty bad. Harden and Bosh completely outclass him as a 3rd option. And what makes it all worse is how much money he gets paid to be a poor 3rd option.

I think we all expected D-Will and JJ to be the best backcourt or close to the best backcourt in the league. For a while, they both didn't play like stars. Now D-Will has picked it up, but JJ has remained his substandard self.

You shouldn't be paying a dude $20mil to play the way he's played. There's no excuse.

[Paradise]

I agree and I'm not defending him, his response to having a bad game last night really pissed me off actually. I think he's gotten too comfy in the "Chris Bosh" role.

And I agree about the backcourt stuff but he still had the same type of injury Noah has as well, so it's not like both have been healthy together.

I'd like to see some plays used to free him up for better mid-range looks. He takes way too many threes and he doesn't get to the free throw line enough for a player who is designed to be a low post guard in this "system"

[NyCeEvO]

OK, I understand where you're coming from.

I do believe that the system has inhibited from really flexing our muscle too. I just think that even though the system is preventing us from have the maximum number of opportunities to score on offense, I still think it's separate from how much effort we should expect our Big 3 to give.

We rip into D-Will and Lopez when they don't play well despite the fact we know the system hurts them to play better.

I'm just calling us to evaluate & criticize JJ too. Even though he's suffering from the system as well, there's no excuse for his passivity.

And like you said about him getting comfortable, I think one of the worst things that we can do is put JJ (who is always prone to play passive) in a position to relax because he's not one of the first two options.

At the end of games when we give him the ball, we basically tell him "Go and score" and he actually tries to do it. After every GW shot this season, he talked about the fact that when they give him the ball at the end, he feels the pressure from his teammates and he doesn't want to let them down.

Someone needs to get him to play like he's letting us down all of the time (because he literally is letting us down lol).

The part that aggravates me so much about him is that he has all of the tools to be a consistently great player and yet for whatever reason, he lets himself play passive way too often.

[SpeedyG]

I wish we can amnesty JJ

[Paradise]

He has the same injury Noah has and he's a game time decision.

I knew it. Smh.

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[PetroNet]

Was at this game as well, but didint want to comment until i rewatched on DVR. For me this loss came down to a few things:

1) we didnt come out with nearly the intensity we did in game 1, which i guess is tough to match and not suprising. We also werent nearly as aggressive in the paint. Game 1 brook tried to break the glass and dunk every time. This game he wasnt bad, but he wasnt imposing his will either. We need him to make other teams react, instead of just taking what the d gives him.

2) We cant didnt get stops when we needed them. we couldnt get them to end bulls runs. we couldnt get them to sustain our own runs, and we couldnt get them down the stretch. This was probably our biggest concern coming into this series, as it was realyl our main issue in the 4 games we played them in the RS. they got stops when they needed them, we couldnt.

3) Deng created opportunities on offense. in game 1 he was invisible. Game two he scores outside, inside, and forced us to help on him. if deng isnt going well they have nothing on the wing and really struggle to sustain scoring, we need to do a better job.

I'm sure we had the typical Reggie sucks, coaching rotations were bad, deron isnt a star, JJ isnt carrying his weight, wallace is terrible stuff. but really, thats who we are and who we have been. and we have won and competed inpsite of that and should be able to win in spite of that... but we didint, cause we didint step up on defense and didint take it to them as the aggressor.