Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Incidentally, I hate being roped in with Everyone Who Takes My Stance

So let me just go on record as saying Wilbon has been unforgiveably dense on this issue. The examples he brings up, the logic thread he uses...all of it.

And that's my fellow alum, even

He writes from a fans perspective when it comes to Chicago teams. I used to like him for his homerism and his love of Chicago sports teams. But he is so out of touch on this issue and many others. Every time he writes or opens his mouth now he name drops Magic Johnson.

Then to compare Bernard King's 1985 ACL surgery to ACL surgery in 2012 is just freaking ridiculous. Why dont we compare Rose to Gale Sayers while we are at it.

As you said he has just been unbelievably dense on this issue.

Why compare him to any at all and let him use his own timeline and make his own decision regarding his body?

Because people are wrong about their bodies all the time? It's why the healthcare industry exists.

[DanTown8587]

Incidentally, I hate being roped in with Everyone Who Takes My Stance

So let me just go on record as saying Wilbon has been unforgiveably dense on this issue. The examples he brings up, the logic thread he uses...all of it.

And that's my fellow alum, even

He writes from a fans perspective when it comes to Chicago teams. I used to like him for his homerism and his love of Chicago sports teams. But he is so out of touch on this issue and many others. Every time he writes or opens his mouth now he name drops Magic Johnson.

Then to compare Bernard King's 1985 ACL surgery to ACL surgery in 2012 is just freaking ridiculous. Why dont we compare Rose to Gale Sayers while we are at it.

As you said he has just been unbelievably dense on this issue.

My favorite part of the article was discounting all the recent ACL surgeries and focusing on guys from 20+ years ago.

[Tsukou]

Why compare him to any at all and let him use his own timeline and make his own decision regarding his body?

Because people are wrong about their bodies all the time? It's why the healthcare industry exists.

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture? The healthcare industry gets a lot wrong, it's not perfect, not even close. Especially when you're talking about something like pain, which is impossible to judge, because there is no standardized scale, pain is way too different from one person to the next. I say just let Rose trust himself on this one, because he's still young, and honestly, the last time he came back too early, he tore his ACL. I'm not surprised Rose is a little more hesitant this time around. You can say the it was coincidental, but at the same time, it's perfectly understandable for Rose to want to get at a comfortable level.

[DuckIII]

And there it is. His "job". Lebron's job before he bolted for MIA was to play......until his contract expired.
When does DRose's contract expire again?

I have no idea what you mean. Do you mean that the Bulls need to let Rose play just whenever he wants, since 4 years from now he might leave if they don't?

Because guess what? That's exactly the posture Gilbert took with LeBron. And LeBron famously left anyway.

[DuckIII]

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture?

The difference being that Deng had a doctor who disagreed with the Bulls doctors, diagnosed a fracture, and proved it. Rose, despite every reason in the world to find a doctor to support his bizarre return schedule and inability to play, has not done so.

[panthermark]

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture? The healthcare industry gets a lot wrong, it's not perfect, not even close. Especially when you're talking about something like pain, which is impossible to judge, because there is no standardized scale, pain is way too different from one person to the next. I say just let Rose trust himself on this one, because he's still young, and honestly, the last time he came back too early, he tore his ACL. I'm not surprised Rose is a little more hesitant this time around. You can say the it was coincidental, but at the same time, it's perfectly understandable for Rose to want to get at a comfortable level.

Here is where it gets tough.

ACL rehab is different than rehabbing from most other sports injuries because part of the rehab process is actually playing.

It isn't like a broken bone where you wait until the bone is healed, you may do some rehab for strenght, but outside of that...you don't really feel any different.

With and ACL, there is going to be discomfort, there is going to be scar tissue breaking up, and it isn't going normal for a long time....especially when you first get out there.

That is part of the process...and that is part of the problem. Can you name a player in any sport that suffered and ACL tear, and felt "normal" when they first stepped back out on the field or court? I guess if you wait long enough, you get used to the "new normal" (which may or may not be the old normal), but no matter how you go about it...you will eventually have a new normal.

You might as well speed up your rehab and help your team in the process (IMO).

[DaMayor73]

Wilbon nails it! He is 100% correct and you 'fans' need to let this young man heal, physically and mentally, and kick ass next year. Bravo, Mr. Wilbon!!

[DuckIII]

Incidentally, I hate being roped in with Everyone Who Takes My Stance

So let me just go on record as saying Wilbon has been unforgiveably dense on this issue. The examples he brings up, the logic thread he uses...all of it.

And that's my fellow alum, even

He writes from a fans perspective when it comes to Chicago teams. I used to like him for his homerism and his love of Chicago sports teams. But he is so out of touch on this issue and many others. Every time he writes or opens his mouth now he name drops Magic Johnson.

Then to compare Bernard King's 1985 ACL surgery to ACL surgery in 2012 is just freaking ridiculous. Why dont we compare Rose to Gale Sayers while we are at it.

As you said he has just been unbelievably dense on this issue.

My favorite part of the article was discounting all the recent ACL surgeries and focusing on guys from 20+ years ago.

If there was ever any doubt that Wilbon is jockeying to be Rose's biographer . . . .

[DaMayor73]

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture?

The difference being that Deng had a doctor who disagreed with the Bulls doctors, diagnosed a fracture, and proved it. Rose, despite every reason in the world to find a doctor to support his bizarre return schedule and inability to play, has not done so.

And you know this how?

[LCMJ]

All these reporters who are "supporting" Rose just don't want to burn bridges with him for the future. They all know something is shady with this situation, so they think if they just agree with him for now, they'll be the first to break the "real" story in a few months.

[DuckIII]

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture?

The difference being that Deng had a doctor who disagreed with the Bulls doctors, diagnosed a fracture, and proved it. Rose, despite every reason in the world to find a doctor to support his bizarre return schedule and inability to play, has not done so.

And you know this how?

Because it hasn't happened.

[Professor Frink]

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture? The healthcare industry gets a lot wrong, it's not perfect, not even close.

I bet doctors have a better track record on health issues than athletes. I'm not going to treat grandma's cancer with Gatorade. That's for sure.

[AAU Teammate]

Because it hasn't happened.

It just astounds me how people make assumptions about this situation. We've believed all the hype created by one side of the argument or the other. People are choosing Bernstein or K.C. and running with it.

It's probably something in the middle, where Rose & Bulls had some small tiff over how hard to push this thing, but not much of one. And all sides are probably content with him not trying to do in-game rehab in home-stretch/playoff time if he feels timid about it.

"his bizarre return schedule" implies you know exactly what was expected of Rose. And it means you KNOW he is defying expectations.

[DuckIII]

The same healthcare industry that made Deng think he just had a strain, when it turned out to be a stress fracture? The healthcare industry gets a lot wrong, it's not perfect, not even close.

I bet doctors have a better track record on health issues than athletes. I'm not going to treat grandma's cancer with Gatorade. That's for sure.

Frink, Derrick Rose knows whats best for his body.

Memphis freshman sensation Derrick Rose had a stomach ailment that forced him to miss media sessions Sunday, but will play in the national championship game against Kansas on Monday night.

Rose received treatment from trainers instead of talking to reporters. Shortly after, the school released a statement settling any doubt about his status.

Teammates weren't too worried.

"He eats Gummy Bears and Starburst for breakfast, and Twizzlers and Honey Buns for dinner. That's why his stomach hurts," fellow guard Chris Douglas-Roberts said. "We tell Derrick the whole year, 'Stop eating so many Gummy Bears and Sour Straws.' But he can't. ... Nobody eats Gummy Bears more than him."
Sunday afternoon, Rose walked into a scheduled group interview with all the starters and coach John Calipari, then went over to Calipari and whispered something to him. They went into the hall together, then Calipari returned alone.

"He said his stomach was bothering him," Calipari said. "I told him to go back and see the trainer."

Don't you dare question his expertise in the health related fields.

[DuckIII]

Because it hasn't happened.

It just astounds me how people make assumptions about this situation. We've believed all the hype created by one side of the argument or the other.

I've creatd my own argument based on my own analysis, thanks.

"his bizarre return schedule" implies you know exactly what was expected of Rose. And it means you KNOW he is defying expectations.

Its an inference from what we do actually know. Know, I don't live in Derrick's back pocket. I'm not pretending to know anything other than what I do know. And from the latter, I draw an inference.

[DaMayor73]

Because it hasn't happened.

Really now? Then you must be a part of Rose's inner circle. Because NO one outside of his crew and the Bulls truly knows if he sought out extra medical advice. But feel free to share more nuggets. Thanks.

[AAU Teammate]

Because it hasn't happened.

It just astounds me how people make assumptions about this situation. We've believed all the hype created by one side of the argument or the other.

I've creatd my own argument based on my own analysis, thanks.

"his bizarre return schedule" implies you know exactly what was expected of Rose. And it means you KNOW he is defying expectations.

Its an inference from what we do actually know. Know, I don't live in Derrick's back pocket. I'm not pretending to know anything other than what I do know. And from the latter, I draw an inference.

Most people here are analyzing a mix of facts and almost facts. And things coming from 'sources.' Not to lump you in, but it seems natural that you would be in this group.. because we have so much here that remains unclear.

It's entirely possible that even if you've hit on every point right, and are looking at every "correct" report and calling it as such-- the reality of the whole situation may be a lot softer than you peg it to be.

To me, it shouldnt come as such a gigantic shock that Derrick may be the first guy to take longer with this injury. It's not like there have been 2,500 (post-new-surgery) ACL tears in pro basketball.

There are guys who did it 8 months, guys who had their 10th month happen in the offseason (so we dont know), and guys who (I'm sure) were raring to come back as soon as possible because they just flat out felt better than Derrick feels now (and again, we dont truly know how Derrick feels now - we are all guessing).

We all pretend we know all about these guys' compensation injuries - but we dont. Those are more facts we dont have. How did compensation injuries affect their summers? How did compensation injuries affect their NEXT season's start?

It also shouldnt come as a shock that the first guy to go 11-12 months is also the first superstar to have the surgery (in its current form).

But it shocks us here because he's OUR superstar.

[Payt10]

Because it hasn't happened.

Really now? Then you must be a part of Rose's inner circle. Because NO one outside of his crew and the Bulls truly knows if he sought out extra medical advice. But feel free to share more nuggets. Thanks.

If he did seek out more medical advice, and the other doctor's opinion differed from the Bulls doctors, I'm quite sure that's something Derrick's camp would want to make clear to the public.

[blumeany]

The bottom line is that recent history suggests that Derrick should have been back by now. What supports that further is that there have been no reported setbacks. What supports it even further is that Derrick himself has said it is down to the mental part of recovery. Now, please show me the quote from any doctor, psychologist, or anyone who else with a brain that suggests that taking more time to avoid your fear is the best thing to do.

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[DuckIII]

Because it hasn't happened.

Really now? Then you must be a part of Rose's inner circle. Because NO one outside of his crew and the Bulls truly knows if he sought out extra medical advice. But feel free to share more nuggets. Thanks.

If he did seek out more medical advice, and the other doctor's opinion differed from the Bulls doctors, I'm quite sure that's something Derrick's camp would want to make clear to the public.

Which is exactly what Luol Deng did.

And DaMayor, when I said "it hasn't happened" I meant that Rose hasn't come forth with any medical opinion supporting his conduct as being medically valid or preferred. And he has every reason to do so.