Need for the #1 pick

[Piston Pete]

Agree, Moose and Dre are off limits.

I'd start with:

Our pick, Knight, and Singler

for

ORL pick, Harris, and Hedo (and maybe another contract)

ORL gets their PG, still stays in the lottery, and saves at least $12 million instantly in the process.

So....does this deal involve blackmailing the Magic GM?

I don't mean to be a jerk...I just think this is well...robbery.

How so??

ORL's main position of need is PG. If Knight was in this draft, he'd be the first PG to be taken.

Him + our pick at least equal the pick - especially in this weak draft.

Then Singler and $13+ million in instant cap space for Hedo and Harris.


ORL after the trade:

Knight / Nelson
Afflalo / Moore / Lamb
Harkless / Singler
Davis / Nicholson / Harrington
Vucevic / O'Quinn
+the rights to our lottery pick.

[rock digger]

Agree, Moose and Dre are off limits.

I'd start with:

Our pick, Knight, and Singler

for

ORL pick, Harris, and Hedo (and maybe another contract)

ORL gets their PG, still stays in the lottery, and saves at least $12 million instantly in the process.

So....does this deal involve blackmailing the Magic GM?

I don't mean to be a jerk...I just think this is well...robbery.

How so??

ORL's main position of need is PG. If Knight was in this draft, he'd be the first PG to be taken.

Him + our pick at least equal the pick - especially in this weak draft.

Then Singler and $13+ million in instant cap space for Hedo and Harris.


ORL after the trade:

Knight / Nelson
Afflalo / Moore / Lamb
Harkless / Singler
Davis / Nicholson / Harrington
Vucevic / O'Quinn
+the rights to our lottery pick.

I honestly don't think you get it. Literally everyone knows that Knight is not worth that much. With all the info already on Knight based on his NBA performance he would never be taken number one. He is a mediocre PG by every statistic. He is a poor passing PG, a poor shooting PG, and his PER is 12, a grand total of 3 points below the average player. Orlando isn't even trading for a PG if they're trading for Knight. Knight isn't even worth a top 15 pick in this draft.

This isn't even accounting the crazy addition of Harris in the trade. Harris has been 49x better than Knight this season. He's played 27 games with the Magic and has already compiled 9 double doubles. How many double doubles has Knight produced in 2 years? 6. Harris is a better player in every statistic and has much more potential. While it's true that they need a PG, they wouldn't sell one of their best players for a mediocre non PG. Harris himself could draw a top 5 pick in this draft.

They don't even need to trade Hedo. They are a REBUILDING team and Hedo is the only bad contract on their team. They aren't going to mortgage their future just to get rid of a person that they don't need to get rid of. In all actuality they probably want to keep him so that they can meet the minimum salary cap number next year without hurting their future this offseason by paying a player like OJ Mayo big money and a long contract. Singler is worth a second round pick AT BEST.

Literally no portion of that trade works for Orlando and you should feel bad.

[MrBigShot]

Well...rock digger beat me to it.

In 27 games with the Magic, playing significant mins, Harris has put up 17/9/2/ on solid percentages. He has more value than Knight, who is presently a below average starting PG. Knight really doesn't have much trade value atm, as a combo guard. Combo guards are a dime a dozen. He has to prove he is at least an average PG.

So it basically comes down to our pick for theirs and Hedo, which is unnecessary. They can just let him expire...Knight would not have been the 1st PG in this draft either. MCW, Burke and Smart had he declared would be ahead.

And as for the other deals in this thread, any deal that involves us dealing Monroe/Drummond for any lottery pick is silly. Why should we give up a part of our frontcourt? That's our ticket to being good again...we should not even consider trading either of them unless we are getting an equal or better big back...which isn't likely. I no longer want DMC either, Moose has shown me a lot towards the end of the season.

[HotelVitale]

I agree with rdigg and Big Shot, except to add that Knight is perhaps the worst starting PG in the league when the other starting ones are all healthy. I'm not a Knight hater, I think he could pull it together in a year or two--but if all the 30 teams had the opportunity to switch their starter with Knight for a single season that started today, I'm not sure anyone would do it. Maybe the Mavs, Kings, and Knicks. No one else really thinks about it.

Also, regarding Tobias Harris, please stop acting like your the only one who noticed that he ripped sh*t up the last month and a half of the season. He's not your little secret. And you know who definitely knows about him? The ORL fanbase (including the OP) that watched him put up a 30/11, a 29/9/6, and a 30/19/5 over the last month.

[Clarity]

Hey Orlando fan,

Piston fan here,

you dont have the #1 pick.

[coolness]

Between Detroit and Orlando, it is DETROIT who should take offers for the rights to Nerlens Noel. (we might end up with the 1st pick too, ya know.)
If he were healthy, then we wouldn't listen to dick. But since he will be out for most of the season and we wanna make the playoffs...
Orlando is the tanking team too. Noel lets you tank harder until the day he comes back from his injury.
Detroit doesn't tank like that. I'm taking a little pride in that even tho I cheered for better lotto position as much as anybody.

[mbn23]

1 + toby for greg monroe?

the #1 and Tobias Harris for Monroe? Seriously? This is laughable.

[MrBigShot]

1 + toby for greg monroe?

the #1 and Tobias Harris for Monroe? Seriously? This is laughable.

Not worth it from our standpoint. Moose will end a better player than anyone in this draft in a few more years.

[kurtis48239]

I thought we were past this trading monroe stuff.

[Warspite]

Tobias Harris might have more value than the #1 pick.

[Piston Pete]

Tobias Harris might have more value than the #1 pick.

He's good, but not THAT good.

[Snakebites]

The Magic probably shouldn't trade their pick unless they end up falling all the way down to fourth (MAYBE third), or else someone for some reason offers a more proven young all star level talent for him.

If you're bad enough to have more lotto balls than anyone else then you probably really need a potential all star player and the highest picks are the easiest ways for a team of that caliber to get one.

There's no package of lesser assets they should trade for it. If we end up with the number one pick (theres what, a 4-5% chance?), we shouldn't deal it either.