Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

[PMONSTER]

(One last aside: you contend ownership's job is to get "wins/title shots." You do understand that prior to Derrick's injury, this team won more games over the previous two seasons than anyone else, and was considered one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the league, right? They may not have won championships yet, but at the same time, it isn't utter mediocrity, either.)

Well, we did all that without paying the tax. This year they wanted Derrick to come back but at the same time was trying to trade Rip to get under the tax.

I'll just say this, if our team was owned by the Lakers owner, do you think we would still have Asik?

[Former Roy]

As somebody who has covered pro basketball for 30 years and developed some sense of how difficult it is to come by a true franchise player, one with sober judgment to go along with a great skill set, I hope the relationship between Chicago and Rose isn't going to be irreversibly damaged. Fortunately, Rose's teammates seem to have maintained some common sense about this. They know they're not playing with Rubio or Shumpert.

So Arenas rehabbed with a vengeance, was praised by the talk show radio heads and so many of the people who were really impressed by his manhood … and Arenas is playing in China now. He's 31 and in all likelihood done in the NBA. This was before guns and other crazy issues. Arenas went from having a team in contention in the Eastern Conference -- he beat the Bulls, remember, in a seven-game playoff series after the Bulls led 2-0 -- to playing in China because his knee wouldn't let him do what he did brilliantly for three seasons. Look up his numbers, find him on YouTube.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... ot-playing

Thank you BASED WILBON!

Forgive them point god, for they know NOT what they do. Some fans just don't 'get it' because they want to see you NOW d-lord. WE GET IT though.

WHUDDUP REG!

[coldfish]

As somebody who has covered pro basketball for 30 years and developed some sense of how difficult it is to come by a true franchise player, one with sober judgment to go along with a great skill set, I hope the relationship between Chicago and Rose isn't going to be irreversibly damaged. Fortunately, Rose's teammates seem to have maintained some common sense about this. They know they're not playing with Rubio or Shumpert.

So Arenas rehabbed with a vengeance, was praised by the talk show radio heads and so many of the people who were really impressed by his manhood … and Arenas is playing in China now. He's 31 and in all likelihood done in the NBA. This was before guns and other crazy issues. Arenas went from having a team in contention in the Eastern Conference -- he beat the Bulls, remember, in a seven-game playoff series after the Bulls led 2-0 -- to playing in China because his knee wouldn't let him do what he did brilliantly for three seasons. Look up his numbers, find him on YouTube.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... ot-playing

Thank you BASED WILBON!

Forgive them point god, for they know NOT what they do. Some fans just don't 'get it' because they want to see you NOW d-lord. WE GET IT though.

WHUDDUP REG!

Rose's fate was sealed when they closed up his knee after the operation. Coming back early or late isn't going to change the results from a good or bad surgery. It wasn't a bad rehab with Arenas. His knee was shot.

The article Wilbon wrote IS NOT A POSITIVE!!! If Rose really is still screwed up, months after most people are playing, the Bulls likely do have an Arenas / Livingston scenario on their hands. Like Wilbon said, Rose might be playing in China in a few years as a result.

I hope as a Bulls fan that Rose is healthy and just being a douchebag by refusing to play. The alternative, which is the Arenas route, is much, much worse. For the life of me, I have no idea why people defend Rose by bringing up examples of people who had their careers ended by a knee injury.

[BullsGate]

As somebody who has covered pro basketball for 30 years and developed some sense of how difficult it is to come by a true franchise player, one with sober judgment to go along with a great skill set, I hope the relationship between Chicago and Rose isn't going to be irreversibly damaged. Fortunately, Rose's teammates seem to have maintained some common sense about this. They know they're not playing with Rubio or Shumpert.

So Arenas rehabbed with a vengeance, was praised by the talk show radio heads and so many of the people who were really impressed by his manhood … and Arenas is playing in China now. He's 31 and in all likelihood done in the NBA. This was before guns and other crazy issues. Arenas went from having a team in contention in the Eastern Conference -- he beat the Bulls, remember, in a seven-game playoff series after the Bulls led 2-0 -- to playing in China because his knee wouldn't let him do what he did brilliantly for three seasons. Look up his numbers, find him on YouTube.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... ot-playing

Thank you BASED WILBON!

Forgive them point god, for they know NOT what they do. Some fans just don't 'get it' because they want to see you NOW d-lord. WE GET IT though.

WHUDDUP REG!

Well said, Wilbon.

[BullsGate]

For the life of me, I have no idea why people defend Rose by bringing up examples of people who had their careers ended by a knee injury.

Same reason other people are bringing up Iman Shumpert, Ricky Rubio and Adrian Peterson.

[AAU Teammate]

The funny thing about my back and forth with Rerisen: the two points aren't mutually exclusive, really.

Rose is a superstar. He is the first with an ACL tear. And he's taking the longest to come back. And he has a family member who is shooting his mouth off and claiming to call the shots.

Sentence 4 is a part of Sentence 1. Ego is the tax you pay for having a superstar. The 04-05 Bulls were loaded with guys who would race back ASAP as they wanted to build their reputations--earn bloated contract extensions far beyond their worth. We loved their fire, desire and passion...and we wanted nothing more. We had zero desire back then for a 'special' player...i dont think...

[Bulls Forever]

Derrick Rose: I'm not coming back until I can dunk from the three-point line.

[AirP.]

Rose's fate was sealed when they closed up his knee after the operation. Coming back early or late isn't going to change the results from a good or bad surgery. It wasn't a bad rehab with Arenas. His knee was shot.

The article Wilbon wrote IS NOT A POSITIVE!!! If Rose really is still screwed up, months after most people are playing, the Bulls likely do have an Arenas / Livingston scenario on their hands. Like Wilbon said, Rose might be playing in China in a few years as a result.

I hope as a Bulls fan that Rose is healthy and just being a douchebag by refusing to play. The alternative, which is the Arenas route, is much, much worse. For the life of me, I have no idea why people defend Rose by bringing up examples of people who had their careers ended by a knee injury.

Correct and now it seems that the Bulls have a HUGE gamble this summer, do they continue to build around Rose or not? If you tweak the team more towards Rose and he doesn't come back as good you've now set your franchise back 1 or more years(depending on the moves). I say you build for Thibodeau, he's proven he can win games with a bunch of key injuries that would have made other teams have horrible records.

[panthermark]

For the life of me, I have no idea why people defend Rose by bringing up examples of people who had their careers ended by a knee injury.

Same reason other people are bringing up Iman Shumpert, Ricky Rubio and Adrian Peterson.

Shumpert, Rubio, and AP all had ACL (repeat, ACL) surgery all within a few months of Rose. Gilbert, Roy, and some of the others DIDN'T have ACL surgery.

Besides, no one here EVER says, Shumpert was hurt on the same day and came back in January, why didn't Rose?
No one makes such a direct comparison.
But people do take the timeline of every ACL surgery over the past few years as a guide for when Rose should return. Those three get mentioned the most because they all happened within months of each other.

[Bulls Forever]

SOMETIME IN DECEMBER 2013....on Bulls forum RealGM

Derrick Rose Thread #98 - Lunacy

[jnrjr79]

(One last aside: you contend ownership's job is to get "wins/title shots." You do understand that prior to Derrick's injury, this team won more games over the previous two seasons than anyone else, and was considered one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the league, right? They may not have won championships yet, but at the same time, it isn't utter mediocrity, either.)

Well, we did all that without paying the tax. This year they wanted Derrick to come back but at the same time was trying to trade Rip to get under the tax.

I'll just say this, if our team was owned by the Lakers owner, do you think we would still have Asik?

I think I noted pretty clearly that the Bulls ownership is in the middle of the extremes of "do everything you can to win" and "make money and screw the team," so I'm not sure who you are arguing with on this point.

[Bulls Forever]

Sometime in MARCH 2014...

Thibodeau: Derrick is day-to-day, he's continuing to work hard on his rehab.. He's our MVP in practice. Beast mode during scrimmages. The Bulls support him. we don't want to rush him.

[AirP.]

No one makes such a direct comparison.
But people do take the timeline of every ACL surgery over the past few years as a guide for when Rose should return. Those three get mentioned the most because they all happened within months of each other.

Rose has said it's MENTAL with him, when HE feels comfortable. It's no longer about his knee, it's about how comfortable he feels with it. The knee is not going to get any better, it is what it is, there's just loosening up of scar tissue now and that may already be done with at this point.

[Bulls Forever]

In the year 2015...

Deng: I mean, like, you know, I mean, Derrick is still young at 27, I mean, he's got many years ahead of him. I mean, We don't want him rushing back from his ACL. I mean.

[Red Larrivee]

The article Wilbon wrote IS NOT A POSITIVE!!! If Rose really is still screwed up, months after most people are playing, the Bulls likely do have an Arenas / Livingston scenario on their hands. Like Wilbon said, Rose might be playing in China in a few years as a result.

No, Wilbon said Rose might be playing in China as a result of him rushing back before being mentally ready to perform, which he isn't doing. Rose is playing it smart.

Read Wilbon's paragraph on Tim Hardaway and Magic Johnson's returns.

"Tim Hardaway said it took him 11 months before he was ready to play in an NBA game. "My biggest thing," he said, "was getting my head and knee on the same page, so I could do the same things I did before the injury -- doing the crossover, exploding to the basket [and] not being afraid to lay the ball up over a big guy ... I had to get to the points where I didn't fear leaping off my [injured] leg ... That was the biggest challenge I had to overcome ... It's something you just have to go out and do."

"Magic Johnson tells the story about a knee injury early in his career, after he'd already won an NBA championship. He had been medically "cleared to play" and came back because he thought he was supposed to but he couldn't find his form, felt lost on the court. It wasn't until the summer, when Magic dunked over a bigger player in a summer league game, that he was psychologically ready to be Magic Johnson again."

I hope as a Bulls fan that Rose is healthy and just being a douchebag by refusing to play.

I hope he is being a douchebag by refusing to play, because that means he's being selfish about this injury which is exactly what he needs to do. Nothing's come out that Rose isn't physically healthy. Everything's come out that Rose isn't mentally healthy. His brain isn't on the same page as his knee. That's only something he can figure out and not a doctor.

[Bulls Forever]

in 2015...

Adidas, THE RETURN, Episode 129... BUY NIKE.

[PMONSTER]

(One last aside: you contend ownership's job is to get "wins/title shots." You do understand that prior to Derrick's injury, this team won more games over the previous two seasons than anyone else, and was considered one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the league, right? They may not have won championships yet, but at the same time, it isn't utter mediocrity, either.)

Well, we did all that without paying the tax. This year they wanted Derrick to come back but at the same time was trying to trade Rip to get under the tax.

I'll just say this, if our team was owned by the Lakers owner, do you think we would still have Asik?

I think I noted pretty clearly that the Bulls ownership is in the middle of the extremes of "do everything you can to win" and "make money and screw the team," so I'm not sure who you are arguing with on this point.

Not arguing, but that's sort of a problem.

[kdapiton]

SOMETIME IN DECEMBER 2013....on Bulls forum RealGM

Derrick Rose Thread #98 - Lunacy

Sad thing is I actually see it coming down to this.

[lu9]

The article Wilbon wrote IS NOT A POSITIVE!!! If Rose really is still screwed up, months after most people are playing, the Bulls likely do have an Arenas / Livingston scenario on their hands. Like Wilbon said, Rose might be playing in China in a few years as a result.

No, Wilbon said Rose might be playing in China as a result of him rushing back before being mentally ready to perform, which he isn't doing. Rose is playing it smart.

Read Wilbon's paragraph on Tim Hardaway and Magic Johnson's returns.

"Tim Hardaway said it took him 11 months before he was ready to play in an NBA game. "My biggest thing," he said, "was getting my head and knee on the same page, so I could do the same things I did before the injury -- doing the crossover, exploding to the basket [and] not being afraid to lay the ball up over a big guy ... I had to get to the points where I didn't fear leaping off my [injured] leg ... That was the biggest challenge I had to overcome ... It's something you just have to go out and do."

"Magic Johnson tells the story about a knee injury early in his career, after he'd already won an NBA championship. He had been medically "cleared to play" and came back because he thought he was supposed to but he couldn't find his form, felt lost on the court. It wasn't until the summer, when Magic dunked over a bigger player in a summer league game, that he was psychologically ready to be Magic Johnson again."

I hope as a Bulls fan that Rose is healthy and just being a douchebag by refusing to play.

I hope he is being a douchebag by refusing to play, because that means he's being selfish about this injury which is exactly what he needs to do. Nothing's come out that Rose isn't physically healthy. Everything's come out that Rose isn't mentally healthy. His brain isn't on the same page as his knee. That's only something he can figure out and not a doctor.

Red: Are these quotes in support or against your point of view? For real.

Read them again.

Hardaway: "Its something you just have to go out and do" not to mention 11 months.
Magic: Later that summer, he dunked over a big man and got his confidence back. Can't that happen with Derrick should he feel/look lost out there now?

[Former Roy]

SOMETIME IN DECEMBER 2013....on Bulls forum RealGM

Derrick Rose Thread #98 - Lunacy

HA!

This stuff really needs to DIE..

Team Rose...STAND DOWN! lol