Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

[Coxy]

Wade just had his lowest scoring since he was a rookie and...he can't shoot a 3 so...

So much fail.

You think if Wade doesn't play most of his minutes with LeBron, he might just score some more points? I mean, ya think?

Curry and Wade would tear teams apart.

Of course, but extra time and attention would add extra wear and tear to his body, which is why the concern for his durability has been raised.

[EvanZ]

It sounded to me the concern was

NOT ENUF PONTS!

[Sleepy51]

So would you be willing to trade for Wade for a 2 yr window?

Yes

I still think we need insurance for bogut as well. Unless you think festus, lee, landry can handle the big man rotation.

I think we have a gem in Festus. He's a rookie big with almost no prior organized hoops experience and he held his own at the grown ass man position in a grown mans' league. I think if developed properly and patiently, He can be a Dale/Antonio Davis type and a fixture on good teams for a long long time.

[Onus]

I agree that we have a gem in festus and he'll have a long career, he's a keeper. But that's only 1 defensive big out of the 3. To me everything bogut does is just icing on top, because you can't count on him to stay healthy. There's no telling when or how long he can play on any given day, let alone whether he'll be hurt the next time he falls, which happens quite a lot. I still think we need another. One of landry or lee needs to be replaced.

[old rem]

Wade just had his lowest scoring since he was a rookie and...he can't shoot a 3 so...

So much fail.

You think if Wade doesn't play most of his minutes with LeBron, he might just score some more points? I mean, ya think?

Curry and Wade would tear teams apart.

This ain't Wade's first year playing with another star.Wade's no longer young...sure ain't cheap. I doubt ...unless we OVERPAY...Miami breaks up what's worked....and ...if we overpay then why does Wade wanna be here if we gave up a lot?

GSW has quite a few young guys who are getting better. GSW has pretty goods Chemistry. GSW has $$ expiring after the 2014...and picks incoming (none this year) To match salary...and interest Miami, GSW needs to probably do BOTH Klay + Barnes...plus Biedrins...and then is still in a pinch if they intend to keep all of Jack,Rush,Landry. Likely....it's hard to keep Landry at best...and it gets harder if GSW is near or over Lux Tax. If our outcome is that Curry is the only Perimeter threat...teams adapt.

[floppymoose]

After tonight, anyone hoping on the "trade Lee" wagon?

[marthafokker]

After tonight, anyone hoping on the "trade Lee" wagon?

I thought that someone would start the discussion while watching the game.

Too bad the Gasol for Lee + AB trade is too late now. Gasol's value might be too high now to happen.

[DreDay]

Lee for Henson/Ilyasova. Bucks gain an all-star who can gain relevance to their franchise and can give them deep playoff runs.

Or at least thats how the FO should sell it

[Onus]

After tonight, anyone hoping on the "trade Lee" wagon?

I thought that someone would start the discussion while watching the game.

Too bad the Gasol for Lee + AB trade is too late now. Gasol's value might be too high now to happen.

Been on it all year. Hell if we continue playing like this, I may even take expiring contracts for him. I'm not there yet but it'll depend on how we look if we can get to the next round.

[BW32]

Cleveland wants Lamarcus, obviously can't get him. Sell them the "all star".

[FNQ]

If we trade Lee it better be for a different styled PF... we're getting away with this solely because the Nuggets PFs arent real PFs either. If we progress to the next round, we're looking at Barnes vs Griffin or Zach Randolph. That's not going to work as well as Barnes on Chandler

[ArtursNaudins]

First of all this is my first trade prospal and I am Warriors fan but I don't like David Lee because of his terrible defense which is really important from PF spot, so GSW in off-season make a three way trade.
GSW: out D. Lee in: P. Milsap (sign and trade 3 years 10 per 3rd year player option) and E. Udoh
MLW: out E.Udoh, B. Jennings in: D. Lee
UTA: out P. Milsap in B. Jennings ( 3/33-36)

GSW does this because they need upgrade in defense which both Milsap and Udoh provides. Milsap isn't a scorer that Lee is but he is more than decent, is good playmaker, hustler and can spread the floor. Udoh comes back home as 3rd big of the bench backing up both 4/5 positions. He is very valuable team player who runs the floor well, alters shot, boxes out etc. GSW assumes that Landry is opting out and don't resign him, which leaves money for J. Jack

MLW does this because they always are in win now mode. They upgrade their PF spot with Lee, sliding Ersan to SF, back up PF, if it isn't working they trade him which shouldn't be very hard to do. They let Jennings go by not matching Jazz offer sheet which is part of deal. Bucks roll with Ellis and Redick as their starting PG and SG.

Utah Gets something for Milsap. As they have alot of capspace and need PG, they make heavily front loaded offer sheet which helps them getting closer to minimum cap level. Jennings doesn't make them play-off team and Jazz go for high draft pick in loaded 2014 draft with set PG, SG, PF and C positions.

There could be some second round draft picks being involved, but I'm not sure which side benefits the most.
So how does this looks?

[Onus]

If we trade Lee it better be for a different styled PF... we're getting away with this solely because the Nuggets PFs arent real PFs either. If we progress to the next round, we're looking at Barnes vs Griffin or Zach Randolph. That's not going to work as well as Barnes on Chandler

Next round for us is pau or tiago splitter, i'm thinking i may want sa instead of the lal

We should be able to rotate and scramble better without lee in there to muck things up. I don't think Bonner or Splitter can take advantage of smaller players consistently. Yea I want SA next rd.

[ChuckDurn]

First of all this is my first trade prospal and I am Warriors fan but I don't like David Lee because of his terrible defense which is really important from PF spot, so GSW in off-season make a three way trade.
GSW: out D. Lee in: P. Milsap (sign and trade 3 years 10 per 3rd year player option) and E. Udoh
MLW: out E.Udoh, B. Jennings in: D. Lee
UTA: out P. Milsap in B. Jennings ( 3/33-36)

GSW does this because they need upgrade in defense which both Milsap and Udoh provides. Milsap isn't a scorer that Lee is but he is more than decent, is good playmaker, hustler and can spread the floor. Udoh comes back home as 3rd big of the bench backing up both 4/5 positions. He is very valuable team player who runs the floor well, alters shot, boxes out etc. GSW assumes that Landry is opting out and don't resign him, which leaves money for J. Jack

MLW does this because they always are in win now mode. They upgrade their PF spot with Lee, sliding Ersan to SF, back up PF, if it isn't working they trade him which shouldn't be very hard to do. They let Jennings go by not matching Jazz offer sheet which is part of deal. Bucks roll with Ellis and Redick as their starting PG and SG.

Utah Gets something for Milsap. As they have alot of capspace and need PG, they make heavily front loaded offer sheet which helps them getting closer to minimum cap level. Jennings doesn't make them play-off team and Jazz go for high draft pick in loaded 2014 draft with set PG, SG, PF and C positions.

There could be some second round draft picks being involved, but I'm not sure which side benefits the most.
So how does this looks?

Not a bad idea..... I've certainly seen much, much worse. Valid suggestions for all 3 clubs involved, and it would work financially. I personally am not a huge fan of Millsap as a starter at $10M; he strikes me more as a Jarrett Jack super-sub type. But I know others would see him fitting there just fine. Good suggestion.

[marthafokker]

First of all this is my first trade prospal and I am Warriors fan but I don't like David Lee because of his terrible defense which is really important from PF spot, so GSW in off-season make a three way trade.
GSW: out D. Lee in: P. Milsap (sign and trade 3 years 10 per 3rd year player option) and E. Udoh
MLW: out E.Udoh, B. Jennings in: D. Lee
UTA: out P. Milsap in B. Jennings ( 3/33-36)

GSW does this because they need upgrade in defense which both Milsap and Udoh provides. Milsap isn't a scorer that Lee is but he is more than decent, is good playmaker, hustler and can spread the floor. Udoh comes back home as 3rd big of the bench backing up both 4/5 positions. He is very valuable team player who runs the floor well, alters shot, boxes out etc. GSW assumes that Landry is opting out and don't resign him, which leaves money for J. Jack

MLW does this because they always are in win now mode. They upgrade their PF spot with Lee, sliding Ersan to SF, back up PF, if it isn't working they trade him which shouldn't be very hard to do. They let Jennings go by not matching Jazz offer sheet which is part of deal. Bucks roll with Ellis and Redick as their starting PG and SG.

Utah Gets something for Milsap. As they have alot of capspace and need PG, they make heavily front loaded offer sheet which helps them getting closer to minimum cap level. Jennings doesn't make them play-off team and Jazz go for high draft pick in loaded 2014 draft with set PG, SG, PF and C positions.

There could be some second round draft picks being involved, but I'm not sure which side benefits the most.
So how does this looks?

You should post this in Mil board so they can scream at you.

No way is Mil trading for Milsap to get rid of their franchise pg. Mil could sign Milsap themselves and trade with GSW 2.5 months later. And that route is FREE.

Utah should just pay Jennings the MAX if you think Utah wants him.

[ArtursNaudins]

First of all this is my first trade prospal and I am Warriors fan but I don't like David Lee because of his terrible defense which is really important from PF spot, so GSW in off-season make a three way trade.
GSW: out D. Lee in: P. Milsap (sign and trade 3 years 10 per 3rd year player option) and E. Udoh
MLW: out E.Udoh, B. Jennings in: D. Lee
UTA: out P. Milsap in B. Jennings ( 3/33-36)

GSW does this because they need upgrade in defense which both Milsap and Udoh provides. Milsap isn't a scorer that Lee is but he is more than decent, is good playmaker, hustler and can spread the floor. Udoh comes back home as 3rd big of the bench backing up both 4/5 positions. He is very valuable team player who runs the floor well, alters shot, boxes out etc. GSW assumes that Landry is opting out and don't resign him, which leaves money for J. Jack

MLW does this because they always are in win now mode. They upgrade their PF spot with Lee, sliding Ersan to SF, back up PF, if it isn't working they trade him which shouldn't be very hard to do. They let Jennings go by not matching Jazz offer sheet which is part of deal. Bucks roll with Ellis and Redick as their starting PG and SG.

Utah Gets something for Milsap. As they have alot of capspace and need PG, they make heavily front loaded offer sheet which helps them getting closer to minimum cap level. Jennings doesn't make them play-off team and Jazz go for high draft pick in loaded 2014 draft with set PG, SG, PF and C positions.

There could be some second round draft picks being involved, but I'm not sure which side benefits the most.
So how does this looks?

You should post this in Mil board so they can scream at you.

No way is Mil trading for Milsap to get rid of their franchise pg. Mil could sign Milsap themselves and trade with GSW 2.5 months later. And that route is FREE.

Utah should just pay Jennings the MAX if you think Utah wants him.

Mil is trading for Lee not Milsap. Milsap is going to us and I posted it on Bucks board they aren't mad about letting Jennings go, they just don't like Lee that much

[ChuckDurn]

This is going to sound crazy at first, but since Cleveland is looking to upgrade their roster and appears to be interested in Aldridge, I might suggest calling them and offering a straight David Lee for Tristan Thompson trade.

What? Hear me out.

I really look at it as more of a David Lee for Tristan Thompson + $10M of additional cap space each of the next 3 years - which is probably enough to retain both Landry and Jack, while still being able to sign a player or two (Brandan Wright?) for the MLE, and not impact our ability to spend in the summer of 2014. Right now it's possible (if not likely) that we could lose both Landry and Jack this off-season, and only have the MLE to re-stock the roster.

Cleveland might actually hang up if we were to call with that offer, given Thompson's potential while being on a rookie contract, and the size of Lee's contract. But I'd probably place that call to gauge interest. (I also wouldn't be averse to adding a second round pick and/or Draymond Green to make it happen.)

One final note: Cleveland is way under the salary cap, so they could absorb the extra salary without sending equal contract value back. This is a very unbalanced trade from a financial principal, but works because of Cleveland's financial situation.

[Commodor]

If moving david lee is the goal the teams next year that would potentially listen (IMO) are;

MIL- I mean who else do they have down there?
MIN- IF they are getting sick of Love compalining he's not the focal point infront of Rubio, could be an easy swap.
SAC- I would LOVE Cousins next to Bogut and Lee could bring a level headed vet to a team that desparetley needs one.
CHA- The bobcats are just a mess but lee could fit nicely next to Biyombo. (<-prob wrong spelling sorry)
TOR- Bargani is out and lee could slide in nicely next to their young center.
CLE- Again just a bad team that needs improvement everywhere that Kyrie cant play.
BOS- Wont happen but the C's could use a better post presence next to old man KG.

If ATL decides to blow it up we need to throw ezeli and lee and a pick or expiring if its possible to land Horford. He'd make us contenders.

If portland adopts Washington's cannibus policies and places Aldridge on the block see the horford comment.

Best bet. A little lateral, but still an upgrade Lee for love straight up.

[floppymoose]

If we trade Lee it better be for a different styled PF... we're getting away with this solely because the Nuggets PFs arent real PFs either. If we progress to the next round, we're looking at Barnes vs Griffin or Zach Randolph. That's not going to work as well as Barnes on Chandler

Absolutely. A defensive minded PF on a shorter contract would be ideal. Like KG's final year.

[GSForever]

I would move FESTUS to the 4 spot and stay low. Make Grif or Zach make the long jumper. Dont forget we have Carl also