Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

[AirP.]

He would have been a lot better off coming clean 1 month ago or as the playoffs approached. A simple statement like "I consulted with my doctors and the team and, although I am recovering well, we made a decision that at this point in the season it is not ideal for the team if I were to try and work back into the rotation. I have missed so much time that I can't reasonably be in position to help the team and so we decided I will not play in this season."

I'm sure the team would have co-signed and, however unhappy this would make some people, there would be an affirmative statement and people could move on. At this point there is nothing positive coming from this.

Sure, feels kinda like the Dwight Howard situation last year(not saying it is, just feels the same)... wanting what he wants but not willing to just come out and say it and trying not to be hated by anyone. Keeping it open publicly yet not open privately with his circle could be much easier then pissing one of those off.

[j-smooth]

Ric Bucher was on Waddle and Silvy

Recap:

-Ric hasn't been told "definitively" that Rose will not come back
-He believes Rose will NOT return this season.
-He believes he won't play because Rose and his advisors want to give the ligament in his knee more time to strengthen and heal to prevent any further setbacks that may occur in the future.
-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

[econprof]

I'm not condoning Derrick in saying this, but just pointing out-- the fact that he's now 'no increased chance of reinjury' ...it means tons, yes. But to his mind....it means less than it does ours. Because he now is someone who has torn their ACL.

And seen their earning potential/generational wealth from Adidas flash before their eyes.

So his caution (most believably) stems from this, and (less believably) is part of his distate for this team...

(and least believably) is part of his brother's distaste for this team. Everyone knows that team, healthy, is either 2 or 3 best in the East.

I have come around to this point of view. None of these would have been believable three months ago. Derrick's mental block is in my book the most plausible of the implausible scenarios.

[red222]

Ric Bucher was on Waddle and Silvy

Recap:

-Ric hasn't been told "definitively" that Rose will not come back
-He believes Rose will NOT return this season.
-He believes he won't play because Rose and his advisors want to give the ligament in his knee more time to strengthen and heal to prevent any further setbacks that may occur in the future.
-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

So what were the setbacks that have occurred?

[DRose4MVP]

Basically **** Reggie Rose.

[AirP.]

Ric Bucher was on Waddle and Silvy

Recap:

-Ric hasn't been told "definitively" that Rose will not come back
-He believes Rose will NOT return this season.
-He believes he won't play because Rose and his advisors want to give the ligament in his knee more time to strengthen and heal to prevent any further setbacks that may occur in the future.
-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

Great, he's not going to get re-injured, could contribute to the team but since he's not 100% he refuses to. Must make his teammates feel good to know he could contribute but won't because it's not up to standards. Thank god Jordan didn't just mail it in when he got the "flu" because he wasn't 100%.

[nomorezorro]

hey joakim, did you hear derrick isn't coming back because he has some pain the day after he plays?

feel like if pain/swelling weren't Part Of The Process then we'd hear about it as a legitimate setback, right?

[panthermark]

Ric Bucher was on Waddle and Silvy

Recap:

-Ric hasn't been told "definitively" that Rose will not come back
-He believes Rose will NOT return this season.
-He believes he won't play because Rose and his advisors want to give the ligament in his knee more time to strengthen and heal to prevent any further setbacks that may occur in the future.
-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

Oh Richard...you slay me...

I love the 3rd and 4th bullet points.

"to prevent any further setbacks they may occour in the future"? He hasn't had any setbacks, and the knee is as strong as its going to get. Basically, Team Rose is playing doctor.

"wants to be 100%, not 90%" - I'm pretty sure Dr Cole explained to him early on that you don't come back from this injury at 100% before you step on the court. Rose basically wants to be 100% rehabiliated and back to his old self before he starts the final stage of his rehab.

[AirP.]

Of course, it's natural to be disappointed that Rose hasn't made it back from ACL surgery. His teammates are disappointed. Adidas is disappointed. His brothers — well, at least two of them — are disappointed.

Former Bulls center Will Perdue talked about Rose's prolonged comeback during an appearance Tuesday morning on WSCR Radio.

"I talked to Derrick throughout the season when I was in Chicago," Perdue said. "It started out with, 'It's going really good, rehab's going well,' to 'I'm back on the floor, but I'm a little concerned because after I go hard, I get up the next day and there's some pain and some swelling.'
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2013 ... /704239634

From Tuesday

That doesn't seem like a recent comment because of the way it's said... he's mentioning he's back on the floor as if it's something new, that would have been months ago.

[Sky Spider]

-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

God almighty.

[sco]

Of course, it's natural to be disappointed that Rose hasn't made it back from ACL surgery. His teammates are disappointed. Adidas is disappointed. His brothers — well, at least two of them — are disappointed.

Former Bulls center Will Perdue talked about Rose's prolonged comeback during an appearance Tuesday morning on WSCR Radio.

"I talked to Derrick throughout the season when I was in Chicago," Perdue said. "It started out with, 'It's going really good, rehab's going well,' to 'I'm back on the floor, but I'm a little concerned because after I go hard, I get up the next day and there's some pain and some swelling.'
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2013 ... /704239634

From Tuesday

Ok then, maybe it's not a set-back, but it's not mental...it's physical. Not a doctor so I don't know if this is part of rehab or symptomatic that it isn't really fixed right.

[Viatical]

Steve Kerr was talkin' all Mysterious Undisclosed Setbacks earlier as well, aping Ric's information. What setbacks. We'd all love to know, Ric. You are a useful foot soldier in this. Do these setbacks exist, or are you just repeating what Reggie Rose has asked you to repeat?

Please don't let this be HAMSTRINGS ON FIRE AFTER PRACTICES.

[Viatical]

Of course, it's natural to be disappointed that Rose hasn't made it back from ACL surgery. His teammates are disappointed. Adidas is disappointed. His brothers — well, at least two of them — are disappointed.

Former Bulls center Will Perdue talked about Rose's prolonged comeback during an appearance Tuesday morning on WSCR Radio.

"I talked to Derrick throughout the season when I was in Chicago," Perdue said. "It started out with, 'It's going really good, rehab's going well,' to 'I'm back on the floor, but I'm a little concerned because after I go hard, I get up the next day and there's some pain and some swelling.'
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2013 ... /704239634

From Tuesday

Ok then, maybe it's not a set-back, but it's not mental...it's physical. Not a doctor so I don't know if this is part of rehab or symptomatic that it isn't really fixed right.

See, this is where context matters. Perdue is not actually updating anybody on Rose's condition as of Tuesday. He's talking about the various steps Rose was taking and progress he was making through the rehab process. If this were written in Spanish, it would be in the imperfect...

[Bomba Navarro]

-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

God almighty.

Just wow. I don't know what he told his teammates, assuming he's talked to them about it, but if I was Noah and I knew that to be true, I'd be really mad.

[Viatical]

What percentage is Noah playing at right now, if we were to just throw out a number?

I've got him at 50%, since he's shuffling around on one foot and can barely run or jump without feeling like he just stepped on a carpenter's nail.

[kulaz3000]

Steve Kerr was talkin' all Mysterious Undisclosed Setbacks earlier as well, aping Ric's information. What setbacks. We'd all love to know, Ric. You are a useful foot soldier in this. Do these setbacks exist, or are you just repeating what Reggie Rose has asked you to repeat?

Please don't let this be HAMSTRINGS ON FIRE AFTER PRACTICES.

You know, I have no doubt that upon returning and playing in games there are often times setbacks and even unusual pains that these players go through, some even say that didn't truly feel healthy or back to their regular selves more than 16 months from their surgery. That's all fine, but the thing is they still played through those initial discomfort, and no one reinjured themselves, they simply didn't have the same impact as they may or wanted to have until later on in the process.

Derrick refusal to return and play games until he feels back to his regular self is putting such extreme pressure on himself, and his stubbornness to not even attempt to take some baby steps by playing a few minutes here and a few minutes there during actual games in absolutely perplexing to me.

Anyway, it's way too late now he should have officially shut his return down about a month ago, the fact that this saga is continuing until now is absolutely disgusting in my opinion, and I'm not even bothered that he isn't going to return this season anymore, but he needs to actually be a leader and professional and shut himself down and allow the team to get their own dues without Derrick returning hovering around the team every day.

[AirP.]

What percentage is Noah playing at right now, if we were to just throw out a number?

I've got him at 50%, since he's shuffling around on one foot and can barely run or jump without feeling like he just stepped on a carpenter's nail.

It's much higher then 50%, he's just in pain while he's doing it.

[Viatical]

It's much higher then 50%, he's just in pain while he's doing it.

I don't claim my numbers are perfect when it comes to the inexact, classic practice of guesstimating health in sports.

Is Noah at 70%?

80%?

Is it greater or less than the 90% that Rose says still isn't high enough?

[Rerisen]

Ric Bucher was on Waddle and Silvy

Recap:

-Ric hasn't been told "definitively" that Rose will not come back
-He believes Rose will NOT return this season.
-He believes he won't play because Rose and his advisors want to give the ligament in his knee more time to strengthen and heal to prevent any further setbacks that may occur in the future.
-Rose does not want to go 90 percent. He wants to be able to go 100 percent without any limitations.

Oh Richard...you slay me...

I love the 3rd and 4th bullet points.

"to prevent any further setbacks they may occour in the future"? He hasn't had any setbacks, and the knee is as strong as its going to get. Basically, Team Rose is playing doctor.

Ayup, if they are just going wing it, I'd say he should sit out 3 years. Wait, let's make it 4, just to give the ligament more time to strengthen. It will be stronger than superman's by then! And Wade will probably be retired by then too, so also cleans up the talent problems with the roster.

[panthermark]

You know, I have no doubt that upon returning and playing in games there are often times setbacks and even unusual pains that these players go through, some even say that didn't truly feel healthy or back to their regular selves more than 16 months from their surgery. That's all fine, but the thing is they still played through those initial discomfort, and no one reinjured themselves, they simply didn't have the same impact as they may or wanted to have until later on in the process.

Derrick refusal to return and play games until he feels back to his regular self is putting such extreme pressure on himself, and his stubbornness to not even attempt to take some baby steps by playing a few minutes here and a few minutes there during actual games in absolutely perplexing to me.

Anyway, it's way too late now he should have officially shut his return down about a month ago, the fact that this saga is continuing until now is absolutely disgusting in my opinion, and I'm not even bothered that he isn't going to return this season anymore, but he needs to actually be a leader and professional and shut himself down and allow the team to get their own dues without Derrick returning hovering around the team every day.

That is exactly how I feel.
He should have come back a month ago. It is too late now....so all of this stuff going on is nothing more than kabuki theatre. Rose needed to sack up, be a leader, and either play, or announce that he wasn't gonig to play, and let the chips fall where they may.

As others have mentioned, he does not want to be seen as a bad guy (quitter in this case), but at this point, there are large chunks of people who simply do not believe that he isn't healthy enough to play. Come this weekend, he will be one year post injury, and 11.5 months post surgery without any setbacks. It is hard to convice people you are unable to play at all when the young athletic guy that tore his ACL a few hours after you did has been back for over 3 months now.

At this point, the running out of the clock bothers me more than him not playing. I've accepted that he isn't coming back.

Man up and either set a date to play (game 4 or game 5), or man up and announce that you are shutting it down.