Boxing Thread 3.0

[skflives]

Trout was doing a very good job for the first 8 rounds. But when he heard he was down so far on two of the cards after the 8th round he had to take more chances which made him get hit more in the last few rounds than he would have. It thought it was close over the first 8 rounds but Canelo seemed to take entire rounds off in the last 3rd of the fight. With that being said there were times Trout got caught with a big punch because he was compelled to stay in the pocket longer than he would have because he needed a KO to win. And in Texas getting caught solid a couple times seems to mean you've lost the round even though you thoroughly outbox your Mexican opponent for the vast majority of the round.

[Butch718]

I don't like open scoring. Because it changes the way fighters go about their game plans. Canelo was just running that final round because he knew he was definitely ahead.

I have no problem with Canelo winning. I just have a problem with incompetent scoring. Kudos to Trout though for showing great sportsmanship. No excuses. Although I think he was being a bit too humble. He was giving Canelo more credit than he deserved.

[GS Warriors 1]

I had it 114-113 for Alvarez. Good fight, both fighters showed that this was worth the hype. It sucks to see 2 judges who scored it way too wide when the fight was truly much closer.

[ItsDaBrush]

Canelo was weighing 172 lbs tonight? This guys gonna be a middleweight in a couple of years, no wonder he got stamina problems when he's cutting so much. He's way too big for Mayweather and if they do fight he's gonna have some rehydrate clause

[Blame Rasho]

I hate open scoring....

I have to say... Trout is all class, it is a shame that there aren't more boxers like him.

[Em1]

I'm always impressed with everyone in this thread and how knowledgeable you guys are.

I have to say... Trout is all class, it is a shame that there aren't more boxers like him.

/\/\/\ times a million. All class indeed.

Canelo's defense was a lot better but man, at 22 and to still be dealing with stamina issues. Come on. I think May is fighting him in September and he's gonna chop him up.

[ItsDaBrush]

Mayweather vs Canelo is a tough call man, it's very similar in its challenges with Cunningham vs Fury with if the much smaller man is skilled enough to outbox extra large for 12 rounds.

I mean, Canelo weighed 171 yesterday which is what guys like Kelly Pavlik where weighing when he was middleweight champ. Trout and Canelo's weights yesterday were Chavez jr. levels with how much they put on. That is a ridiculous weight advantage vs Mayweather who the heaviest he ever weighed was 152 vs Cotto I believe. And he looked small compared to Cotto who is a small SWW himself which was exposed vs Trout.

The style matchup is intriguing as well. Despite the reputation that he probably received after beating Josesito Lopez, Alvarez is not very effective coming forward and cutting off the ring. Against Shane Mosley he boxed off his back foot like he did vs Trout who was leading and pushing Canelo on the ropes most of the time. The difference in a Mayweather fight though is that PBF won't push it like Trout, he'll potshot you from a distance and eventually make you take the lead. However, Floyd will also help out Alvarez with how willing he is to stand in the pocket and take the fight to the ropes. Floyd fighting on the ropes vs Cotto wasn't a new thing, he absolutely loves taking it in there while he blocks, dodges and throws backs hard countershots.

Example vs DLH

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Even younger Mayweather

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Cotto was clear about the ropes thing and it even happened frequently vs Ortiz. Going back even further you see it some vs Jesus Chavez or Chop Chop at times. Obviously the skills advantage belongs heavily to Floyd but Canelo has skills of his own and a huge weight advantage. Floyd has naturally lost a step as a 36 year old and DLH/Cotto probably proves that he loses a little more at SWW. The combination of Floyd's defensive style and his inability to Baldomir somebody today would make things very interesting, Floyd could win a shutout but there's still gonna be a time where Floyd is on the ropes and has to survive a Canelo barrage

[Blame Rasho]

If you make another fighter take the lead, and you are the better counter puncher, you are going to win 99/100. Canelo while a great talent, just didn't impose his will like truly elite talents are suppose to do in his fight vs Trout. The first time he faced someone who was on his level and his size, and I thought he did just ok but nothing really impressed. I don't think if he were to face Mayweather or even Martinez he would be given good odds.

Mayweather is this generations best talent because he really makes his opponents do whatever he wants. Yeah, he has slowed a bit and likes to be on the ropes, and has gotten tagged at times but people really don't acknowledge that outside of his great shoulder roll defense that gets wide praise, he has a world class chin.

The idea that Mayweather can get bullied is valid because he really isn't a big guy even at welterweight. The thing is, that the people who have hurt him recently have been quick fighters who catch him off guard like Judah and old ass Mosley. I really don't think that any fighter can go all Jose Luis Castillo for 12 arounds on him and get a W unless Mayweather really gets old in the ring or he just lets him. Mayweather has the rare ability to just pot shot someone from everywhere, it just mucher nowadays.

[ItsDaBrush]

Marquez vs Bradley is official for September 14 on PPV, hope the undercard is good unlike the Pac/Marquez 4 one.

[Butch718]

Man it seems like week after week boxing fans are being treated to some pretty good fights. This weekend it's Khan/Julio Diaz and Garcia/Judah on Showtime. You also have Martinez/Murray on HBO.

I don't know much about Murray. Does he pose a threat to Martinez?

[GS Warriors 1]

Not much of a threat but he'll be a tough out, likely going to the cards. No doubt Martinez is the big favorite on Saturday night. Murray has a draw against Sturm in a fight I thought Sturm nicked slightly, close fight.

[ItsDaBrush]

Zab Judah was hilarious in the press conference yesterday, dude went off because the Garcia's didn't want Judah next to them at the same time.

[Blame Rasho]

I love Zab Judah...

[cowboyronnie]

Just watched the Canelo vs Trout fight this evening. Pretty good stuff. Canelo won, maybe, IDK.

Canelo's conditioning was really weak, no question. He slowed down as early as 6 rounds in. Potentially an injury in camp.

The Showtime team were weirdly favoring Trout at times, as in they argued that the round with the KD nonetheless went 10-9?? Please. He rocked Trout a second time that round too. And that was full-on Judah chicken-dance KD.

The defensive showmanship from Canelo was crazy, totally unexpected. But he was never made to pay for it, not even close. Trout couldn't catch him.

Canelo's the real deal. Trout is a really hard match-up, Canelo beat him fairly without his conditioning in order.

[Blame Rasho]

Argentines really really hate the English...You have to remember the Malvinas, and I expect that the crowd in Argentina to go **** when Murray and Martinez come to fight.

[Blame Rasho]

JCCJr is such a douchebag.... I am seeing golpe por golpe right now and saying that Martinez is only good because he moves alot.

[Blame Rasho]

Predictions... Zab with an upset. Why... **** logic... Zab is awesome, there is a reason why everyone likes him, he has an engaging personality and honestly I don't think that Garcia is that good.

Martinez with a late stoppage of UD... It will be nuts over there in argentina.

Arreloa will get a quick KO... maybe 5th round.

Kuhn should cruze over Diaz...

There is an underrated fight with Qullin and Guerrero, but Qullin is just a bigger guy and more skilled with his boxer puncher style.

Oh and Abriegu isn't going to lose at home....

[ItsDaBrush]

Audley Harrison wilted after the 1st shot Wilder landed, dude was literally done after one punch

[Butch718]

Kahn looked bad today from all the reports out there. Diaz hurt him badly on several occasions. He knocked him down once, and made his legs wobbly on a couple of occasions. Fortunately for Khan, he built a lead on the scorecards which gave him a narrow UD on everyone's scorecards. Sorry, but Khan doesn't have it anymore. Too much wear and tear from his fights against Peterson and Garcia. Garcia would KO him easy in a rematch. Peterson would probably KO him in a rematch. Any decent fighter at 140 with a little bit of power has a chance to KO him quite frankly. Roach was never the problem. The problem has always been Khan's chin. Virgil Hunter can only do so much, and it's clearly not working.

[ItsDaBrush]

I watched that fight. Khan was hurt so many times with everything Diaz threw, especially the last 3 or so rounds where Diaz just beat the crap out of Khan. And Diaz doesn't have no heavy hands like the British commentators were trying to claim, he's got decent pop but nothing more, the highest comp he ko'd was a super shot Jesus Chavez.

Khan doesn't have a good chin and he compounds the problem by constantly pulling straight back with his hands low or throwing uppercuts from idiotic angles. I know he's gonna get a title shot against a handpicked opponent like Diaz and Molina were but as far as being the crown of GBP's 140 tournament, it's effing stupid. That's gonna lead to another side rant with how stupid it is that Danny Garcia is the Ring champ of 140 and because of that he's being pushed as the man at 140. First of all, the 140 division lost its champ when Tim Bradley moved up to 147 and nobody's come close to replacing him. The Ring champ ain't worth sheet at all, you don't become the man at a division by beating a fat Eric Morales and Amir Khan who is a never was.